[cozmo_d]

The future is finally here, how long will it take to implement this or will they just kill him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM

will they just bury this or use it for the good of mankind !!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius

what do you think about this???

could this replace gas???

[zexmarquies01]

no no no no no and another big NO!!

See, you need power to run the microwave generator. Sure, you can burn the saltwater gas when it comes out. But imagine how much power that huge unit is using to generate those radio waves. now imagine how much energy ( in the form of heat ) is coming from the flame out of the test tube.

Basically...Alot of energy is going into the unit. And the burning of the gas is quite small compared to the input energy.

aka: Waste of energy. We could use the energy instead to say....get the salt out of the water via desalinization, or distillation.

its a cool side-effect. I'll admit that. But it in no way is going to even help us with our energy problems.


Edit: I'd also like to add, if one is thinking of using this idea to take electricity run it through this machine and burn the salt water for heat, that would be petty useless. Honestly, one can just use a electric heater instead. Like the kind at walmart that you use to heat a small room, or a bigger type, such as a electric stove. Those are highly efficient at turning the electricity into heat. Thus, using this to generate heat would most likely prove pointless.

[TommyHolly]

Yup Zex beat me to it...

All these devices that use water as fuel take more energy than is extracted from the water unfortunately. However, the nano-metal flakes being used to attach themselves to cancer cells and heat up sound extremely promising.

[cozmo_d]

Well if you would have asked me a year ago if water can burn I would have said
NO NO NO its impossible, isint it feasible that technology may advance enough one day that generating the frequency would not require so much power & how much power are we talking about anyway? They don't really say much about that... why couldn't there be a transformer in the system like this (The fuel "water" actually the hydrogen) powers a steam generator, produces electricity which is ran through a transformer that boosts the power you know magnetic field passing through wound copper coils you get extra electrons right? Why couldnt you use some of the extra voltage to power the frq gen?

nothing is impossible right?

imo only big oil can stop this from becoming a solution at some point in the future since water can burn or so it appears why cant we invent the perfect low power frq generator?
that will allow it to be utilized, I mean right now there using bio fuel which is basically a beer type solution fermented and the final product is an alcohol based fuel and that whole process isint exactly efficient either, even now there trying to produce bacteria that will speed the process instead of using the yeast process...

There has got to be a better mouse trap and the whole hydrogen fuel thing looks the best especially now that passing some radio frequency through water releases the hydrogen to burn freely ??? come on lets start re inventing the wheel already !!!

Every super brain on the planet should be getting together day in & day out and having think tank sessions till they make it work seriously if a layman can see the potential...

[zexmarquies01]

Originally Posted by cozmo_d

Well if you would have asked me a year ago if water can burn I would have said
NO NO NO its impossible, isint it feasible that technology may advance enough one day that generating the frequency would not require so much power & how much power are we talking about anyway? They don't really say much about that... why couldn't there be a transformer in the system like this (The fuel "water" actually the hydrogen) powers a steam generator, produces electricity which is ran through a transformer that boosts the power you know magnetic field passing through wound copper coils you get extra electrons right? Why couldnt you use some of the extra voltage to power the frq gen?

Naturally, a year ago, no one would have guessed that you could burn salt water. But remember one thing. Just because you can do something, that doesn't make doing it worth-while.

2nd. Lets say for arguments sake that they can get the power consumption on the radio wave generator down. and while their at it, they find a way to burn the salt water more efficiently ( i'd assume they'd do this, by "fine tuning" the radio frequency/amplitude to break down the water molecules better/faster ).

So lets say that they get the efficiency up to 90%. which honeslty, is a high end guess. Well guess what? Electric heaters ( aka: the type i mentioned before. Better known as "space heaters", also are used in electric range stoves..etc.. ) run at pretty much 100% efficiency.

Originally Posted by answers.com

Heaters of this kind have an inherent efficiency of 100% in converting electric energy into heat. Devices such as electric ranges, ovens, hot-water heaters, sterilizers, stills, baths, furnaces, and space heaters are part of the long list of resistance heating equipment.

http://www.answers.com/topic/electri...cat=technology

2nd paragraph is where i copied this text from.


Now, the use of this wave generator and salt burning, is to produce heat. They take electricity, run the wave generator, stick salt-water in the machine, and ignite the salt-water. Generating heat.

the simple problem is that we already have a way of converting electricity into heat, at 100% efficiency. ( yes, i know nothing is 100% efficient, because of resistance, in one form or another. BUT electric heats use this resistance to turn the electricity into heat. Because NORMALLY heat is the byproduct of INEFFICIENCY. But since we WANT heat, more heat = efficiency ).


Also, we can take electricity, and turn it into mechanical power, via Motors. If there was a way to put this salt-water and machine into a car, and find a way to get the water to combust, then that could help with the oil problem...BUT we'd be taking electricity, turning it into radio waves. Then taking the radio waves, and using them to turn salt-water into a heat source. Which, the salt water will NOT all burn off. ( aka: there would be quite a bit of salt residue left ). which, if it all doesn't burn...thats inefficiency. Which would damage vehicles over time.

So...if we created a new car engine to utilize this...we'd still have to find a way of transferring the heat generated to turn the wheels. Which, the collection of the heat will also be inefficient.

all of that would have to be done, and solved before this could be used in a viable, and economical way. When we can just take electricity, and send it into a motor, or generate heat via electric heaters.

As i said, just because something is new, or cool, doesn't always make it viable in the real world, or economical.

Originally Posted by cozmo_d

nothing is impossible right?

Perpetual motion is not possible. ( Laws of thermodynamics explains this pretty clearly ).

[TommyHolly]

Zex is 100% correct and 100% effecient in his explanation...LOL

By the way, this isn't a "Big Oil" thing but more of a "Science" thing that is gonna put the coffin nails in this technology. The best that could be hoped for is to utilize this in some sort of hybrid approach.

[zexmarquies01]

Originally Posted by TommyHolly

Zex is 100% correct and 100% effecient in his explanation...LOL

By the way, this isn't a "Big Oil" thing but more of a "Science" thing that is gonna put the coffin nails in this technology. The best that could be hoped for is to utilize this in some sort of hybrid approach.

Honestly...i don't see how this will be utilized. Whats the overall benefit of this? Maybe we can find a way to use this technology to split water into oxygen and hydrogen better than electrolysis. Though i doubt that, simply because we use electricity to DIRECTLY split water, when this would require us to transform the electricity into radio waves, THEN split the water. And when it comes to efficiency...the less steps that are taken, the higher the efficiency. The more steps you take, the less efficient you get.

Thats why i say that i honestly don't see this becoming much of a use. We can already do almost everything this machine does, with electricity directly, without having to transform it into another form of energy. ( in this case, radio waves ).

Someone may have an idea, but that doesn't mean its a GOOD idea. An example is Thomas Edison. He filed over 1,000 patents ( 1,093 to be exact ), but not all of them were GOOD idea.

we have millions of patents filed all the time. But only a small handful is actually good enough to be used in every day life.

Not all idea's, are good idea's. Which explains this device perfectly. Its an idea. Hell, its a COOL idea! it BURNS salt water! but it doesn't make it practical.

[Shelnutt2]

OK I have to say it,

HE IS NOT BURNING SALT WATER!

What is happening is the radio waves are causing the hydrogen molecules to separate and that is what he is burning. Which we already knew was possible. We already knew how to separate hydrogen from water, the most common way being electrolysis, which is more efficient then the way this guy is doing it with radio waves.


Now all power to him, its from people like him that we get the most unusual breakthroughs. The more people try new things the further we advance in technology.

[zexmarquies01]

Originally Posted by Shelnutt2

OK I have to say it,

HE IS NOT BURNING SALT WATER!

well, lets hope others realized this, by checking out the article and video's on this topic themselfs. But for those who havn't...thats exactly what is happening.

But lets not get anal retentive. If we did, we'd have to point out every time someone burns a candle wick. Because the candle wick isn't burning, its the fuel that the wick absorbs that is burning. etc..etc.. It just causes threads to go astray. ( not nit-picking at you, you brought up a important fact, that may not have been known by those who only watched a few short clips on this ).

But as you said, we knew about splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen a LONG time ago. this guy just found another method of doing so. And sadly, his method is less efficient than the ways we do it now. As i said, This may be cool...but its not practical.

edit: But i'd like to add onto what shelnutt2 said. People like him helps. Sure, hey may have an idea that isn't practical. But the data they accumulate could lead to other advances using radio waves. Maybe they could use this idea to split other liquids, that are much harder, or more costly to separate. Maybe they will find other practical ways to use high frequency radio waves that they didn't think about before. I'm just saying that this specific use of this technology isn't practical.

[deRusett]

His Project had nothing to do with Burning Salt water, this guy was working on a way to isolate cancer cells in the body and Kill them with Radio waves with out killing the healthy cells like Kemo does.

this "Burning water" was an accident, lots of talk has swirled about using it for power generation, but really the only useful place for this as power generation is in Tanker ships or other large vessels traveling over saltwater. but much work would have to be done. and this guy is still after a cancer treatment so I don't think anyone will be working on this too much in the near future.

[cozmo_d]

Ya we all knew or I assumed that it was known that the hydrogen is what is being burned...

Marquies right now we have hydro electric dams which produce the electricity to power the space heater you speak of. There are also Steam Power Plants that generate electricity using coal or other fossil fuel to boil water to create steam which spins a turbine that moves a magnetic field through copper windings and produces allot of electricity why couldn't some of that electricity be used to power the wave generator that allows the hydrogen to burn so freely, I just don't see how or why having the ability to burn saltwater {hydrogen} which doesn't pollute and is giving off a 3000 degree flame etc cant be somehow involved in changing the future of how we derive our energy including generating electricity.

I'm not talking about perpetual motion right, but nature has perpetual energy or so it seems where does the lightning keep coming from? Its involved in a never ending cycle that involves evaporation, wind, rain, even the magma in the earth's core is involved in one way or another so its not impossible ps its not never ending cuz one day it will end but thats probably not any time soon or we can hope not lol

just pondering the impossible which is not impossible

[cozmo_d]

related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj5tw...eature=related

and
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page