Just a little um, discussion I got going.

Spbeyond · 01-14-08, 09:11 AM

Hey, feel free to add input on this discussion I started over at Thermaltake's forums. Dont go crazy though I think they will censor the whole thing and ban us all. I just want to know why they suck. LOL I have been trying to keep it fiendly so I dont get booted. SO I am being very passive.
http://forum.thermaltake.com/viewtop...?p=10233#10233

thideras · 01-14-08, 09:23 AM

You should ask your question here:

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Originally Posted by Spbeyond

Hello all. I bought a Kandalf LCS and was looking thru it. I love the overall design it is just so slick! The one thing I was wondering about though is why the decision was made to go with 3/8id tubing for the system but then they put in a 1/4 id radiator! Why would they do that?! So they basicly just reduced the system performance. Now I gotta change out the rad. I was just wondering why they made that choice. Anyone know? Because I know all around the net they are talking about this. Thanks for any insight!

And I will answer it. YES 1/4 tubing will impact your temps by a substantial amount. The kits from Thermaltake are a joke, only slightly better than stock cooling and quite a bit worse than high end air. They can't even compare to "real" watercooling systems

I would recommend getting a case you like and building a watercooling system from the ground up. Most of the time, it will be the same price and you will have better performance.

Spbeyond · 01-14-08, 09:33 AM

OH i Know. I did ask the question here. I just wanted to see what the thermaltake guys would say. Eventually Im going to take my Kandalf case (which I really like) replace the radiator, pump and block and go with a larger tubing I think to... Eventually. Gotta get more $. Wow looking at the first post I need spelling lessons. Or typing lessons, one of the two.

Jas · 01-14-08, 09:34 AM

Oh thermaltake, how I love your cases, but loathe your cooling.

Spbeyond · 01-14-08, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jas

Oh thermaltake, how I love your cases, but loathe your cooling.

Its really true. The case kicks ass. I love the whole thing. If they could only get there Watercooling up to par. Then it would kick ass.

Jas · 01-14-08, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Spbeyond

Its really true. The case kicks ass. I love the whole thing. If they could only get there Watercooling up to par. Then it would kick ass.

Thermaltake is kind of known for taking an idea someone else has had, rehashing it, and then adding a whole lot of bling to it. Now, that actually works well for their cases. They make some pretty sweet cases that are made extremely well, and use proven methodology. Not to mention they generally look awesome.

However, they get themselve sin trouble though when it comes to cooling products. For th emost par,t their products skimp on material and craftmanship, in exchange for extra bling. This can be seen in their water cooling kits, and most of their air coolers as well.

I think if Thermaltake were serious about water cooling, first, they would design thir cases to be better suited to larger diamter tubing (namely when it comes to their tube access holes, and punch outs), and focus on quality.

Their waterblock isn't anythign to get excited about, but it wouldn't be nearly as bad if the "kit" used a competative radiator, and more powerful pump.

ogboot · 01-14-08, 09:50 AM

I'm not gonna jump on their forums, but i don't see how you can look at the graph they posted and come to their conclusion that tube diameter makes no difference...

Jas · 01-14-08, 09:59 AM

Lol, they posted a graph and said it make no difference?

ogboot · 01-14-08, 10:03 AM

yeah, they linked to another thread on diameter/performance. I went and checked it out.

Jas · 01-14-08, 10:03 AM

That's too funny.

Spbeyond · 01-14-08, 10:04 AM

Yeah thats on there site. I think its stickied under a efficiency article that he immediatly linked me to, so that I would see it didn't matter. LOL I actually mentioned that the graph does seem to say there is a large gap in proformance. ( I mentioned it after you pointed it out LOL) I have a hard time understanding graphs for some reason... I got the dumb.

Spbeyond · 01-14-08, 10:05 AM

Actually I think I just try to look at the whole thing and immediatly try and get some meaning out of it. Instead of looking the whole thing over. I guess I just need to learn to slow down and read things. LOL

Jas · 01-14-08, 10:11 AM

Ok, I just checked out that thread and the link. they posted ot the diameter thread. They are rehashing discussion regarding thermal conductivity Cathar laid to rest YEARS ago.

Anyhoo, in their they link to a new radiator of theirs. Which actually looks like something we are more familiar with, ecxept it made out of aluminum...

ogboot · 01-14-08, 10:27 AM

"Motorsports" Radiator

Jas · 01-14-08, 11:47 AM

Lol yeah, exactly.

The only real problem I have with their kits, and the koolance kits, besides them being crap, is they market them as being these uber-rific cooling setups. I mean I suppose if you run stock speeds they might do an ok job, but how the hell is a badly made 120.1 rad, in a low flow setup, going to get good temps on an over clocked cpu and GPU?

It's their marketing that gets me, suckers in peopel to spend hundreds of dollars on crap.

voigts · 01-14-08, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas

It's their marketing that gets me, suckers in peopel to spend hundreds of dollars on crap.

I'll second that...

You can watercool with a via aqua, heatercore, and used swifty Apogee cpu block or whatever and be 10 times better off.

Spbeyond · 01-16-08, 05:44 PM

I think Im being ignored now that I challanged him and there design.

LOL

01-14-08, 09:11 AM	Thread Starter #1
Spbeyond Registered Join Date: Dec 2007	Just a little um, discussion I got going. Hey, feel free to add input on this discussion I started over at Thermaltake's forums. Dont go crazy though I think they will censor the whole thing and ban us all. I just want to know why they suck. LOL I have been trying to keep it fiendly so I dont get booted. SO I am being very passive. http://forum.thermaltake.com/viewtop...?p=10233#10233
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01-14-08, 09:33 AM	Thread Starter #3
Spbeyond Registered Join Date: Dec 2007	OH i Know. I did ask the question here. I just wanted to see what the thermaltake guys would say. Eventually Im going to take my Kandalf case (which I really like) replace the radiator, pump and block and go with a larger tubing I think to... Eventually. Gotta get more $. Wow looking at the first post I need spelling lessons. Or typing lessons, one of the two.
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01-14-08, 09:34 AM	#4
Jas Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kenosha, WI.	Oh thermaltake, how I love your cases, but loathe your cooling. __________________ My Rig: <-- LINKY TT Armor Case ::: E6400-L2 Conroe Currently @ 3.6Ghz ::: MSI P6N SLI ::: 2 X 2gb G.Skill PI Black DDR2 6400 EVGA 8800GT @761/1950/1003 1.1v ::: OCZ GameXStream 700 watt PSU Cooling: Swiftech Apogee GT (CPU) and Danger Den Maze 4 (GPU), MCW30 (NB), D4 (Pump), Dual Rads (BIX, '77 Bonny Core) Vista Home Premium 64Bit Oni is a bot!
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01-14-08, 09:50 AM	#7
ogboot Member Join Date: Jul 2003	I'm not gonna jump on their forums, but i don't see how you can look at the graph they posted and come to their conclusion that tube diameter makes no difference... __________________ Intel Xeon x3470 Stock 4GB OCZ @2000mhz ASUS P7P55D LE MSI R4870 MD1G Win7 Pro x64 Ubuntu 9.04 x86 and Studio x64
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01-14-08, 09:59 AM	#8
Jas Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kenosha, WI.	Lol, they posted a graph and said it make no difference? __________________ My Rig: <-- LINKY TT Armor Case ::: E6400-L2 Conroe Currently @ 3.6Ghz ::: MSI P6N SLI ::: 2 X 2gb G.Skill PI Black DDR2 6400 EVGA 8800GT @761/1950/1003 1.1v ::: OCZ GameXStream 700 watt PSU Cooling: Swiftech Apogee GT (CPU) and Danger Den Maze 4 (GPU), MCW30 (NB), D4 (Pump), Dual Rads (BIX, '77 Bonny Core) Vista Home Premium 64Bit Oni is a bot!
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01-14-08, 10:03 AM	#9
ogboot Member Join Date: Jul 2003	yeah, they linked to another thread on diameter/performance. I went and checked it out. __________________ Intel Xeon x3470 Stock 4GB OCZ @2000mhz ASUS P7P55D LE MSI R4870 MD1G Win7 Pro x64 Ubuntu 9.04 x86 and Studio x64
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01-14-08, 10:03 AM	#10
Jas Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kenosha, WI.	That's too funny. __________________ My Rig: <-- LINKY TT Armor Case ::: E6400-L2 Conroe Currently @ 3.6Ghz ::: MSI P6N SLI ::: 2 X 2gb G.Skill PI Black DDR2 6400 EVGA 8800GT @761/1950/1003 1.1v ::: OCZ GameXStream 700 watt PSU Cooling: Swiftech Apogee GT (CPU) and Danger Den Maze 4 (GPU), MCW30 (NB), D4 (Pump), Dual Rads (BIX, '77 Bonny Core) Vista Home Premium 64Bit Oni is a bot!
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01-14-08, 10:04 AM	Thread Starter #11
Spbeyond Registered Join Date: Dec 2007	Yeah thats on there site. I think its stickied under a efficiency article that he immediatly linked me to, so that I would see it didn't matter. LOL I actually mentioned that the graph does seem to say there is a large gap in proformance. ( I mentioned it after you pointed it out LOL) I have a hard time understanding graphs for some reason... I got the dumb.
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01-14-08, 10:05 AM	Thread Starter #12
Spbeyond Registered Join Date: Dec 2007	Actually I think I just try to look at the whole thing and immediatly try and get some meaning out of it. Instead of looking the whole thing over. I guess I just need to learn to slow down and read things. LOL
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01-14-08, 10:11 AM	#13
Jas Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kenosha, WI.	Ok, I just checked out that thread and the link. they posted ot the diameter thread. They are rehashing discussion regarding thermal conductivity Cathar laid to rest YEARS ago. Anyhoo, in their they link to a new radiator of theirs. Which actually looks like something we are more familiar with, ecxept it made out of aluminum... __________________ My Rig: <-- LINKY TT Armor Case ::: E6400-L2 Conroe Currently @ 3.6Ghz ::: MSI P6N SLI ::: 2 X 2gb G.Skill PI Black DDR2 6400 EVGA 8800GT @761/1950/1003 1.1v ::: OCZ GameXStream 700 watt PSU Cooling: Swiftech Apogee GT (CPU) and Danger Den Maze 4 (GPU), MCW30 (NB), D4 (Pump), Dual Rads (BIX, '77 Bonny Core) Vista Home Premium 64Bit Oni is a bot!
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01-14-08, 10:27 AM	#14
ogboot Member Join Date: Jul 2003	"Motorsports" Radiator __________________ Intel Xeon x3470 Stock 4GB OCZ @2000mhz ASUS P7P55D LE MSI R4870 MD1G Win7 Pro x64 Ubuntu 9.04 x86 and Studio x64
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01-14-08, 11:47 AM	#15
Jas Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kenosha, WI.	Lol yeah, exactly. The only real problem I have with their kits, and the koolance kits, besides them being crap, is they market them as being these uber-rific cooling setups. I mean I suppose if you run stock speeds they might do an ok job, but how the hell is a badly made 120.1 rad, in a low flow setup, going to get good temps on an over clocked cpu and GPU? It's their marketing that gets me, suckers in peopel to spend hundreds of dollars on crap. __________________ My Rig: <-- LINKY TT Armor Case ::: E6400-L2 Conroe Currently @ 3.6Ghz ::: MSI P6N SLI ::: 2 X 2gb G.Skill PI Black DDR2 6400 EVGA 8800GT @761/1950/1003 1.1v ::: OCZ GameXStream 700 watt PSU Cooling: Swiftech Apogee GT (CPU) and Danger Den Maze 4 (GPU), MCW30 (NB), D4 (Pump), Dual Rads (BIX, '77 Bonny Core) Vista Home Premium 64Bit Oni is a bot!
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01-16-08, 05:44 PM	Thread Starter #17
Spbeyond Registered Join Date: Dec 2007	I think Im being ignored now that I challanged him and there design. LOL
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