[Ric2L]

I need some advice, thinking about going with water cooling for my cpu & vid cards, since the hot weather started my N/B temps have been getting to hot while under load. I'm running a Maximus Formula, Q6600, & 2 HD3870's. What I'm thinking is to go with water on cpu & Poss. vid cards (havent decided on vid cooling yet, waiting for 4870's to come out, may just go with 1 of them) this way I will have room to put a decent fan on my N/B, right now with my TRUE there is just not enough room for anything larger than a 60mm fan. I have a SilverStone TJ09 case, figure a 240 rad in the top using silverstone adaptor brackets, a pump/reservior combo for a drive bay.

Here is what I'm looking at, all from Performance-PCS.com

1 x *** NEW *** Siverstone Aero Slots - 4 Vented Expansion Slot Covers for Improving Rear Airflow
1 x *** NEW *** Siverstone RadSupport09 - Radiator Support for TJ09/TJ10 Chassis
1 x Black Ice® GT Stealth 240 Highest Performance Radiator
1 x *** NEW *** XSPC "Bay-Res" Pump/Reservoir Combo
1 x XSPC X20 Xtreme CPU Universal Water Block
2 x XSPC Razor ATI 3870HD Full Coverage VGA Water Block
8 x Tygon 3603 3/8" ID (1/2" OD) Clear Tubing

What do you guys think, what would you go with or change, I know nothing about watercooling, except what I'v been reading here, trying to learn as much as possible, but I'm more of a hands on person. if I go with this it will be my first try

before you ask, I really don't think I'll be able to get heatsink & heat pipe off my board, I hear its a real pain in the butt after its been ran for awile.

oh yea Budget, what I have listed would be approxmatly $400.00 + shipping, but I probably won't go with the vid coolers to I see the 4870 benchmarks.
Thanks

[hata28]

1 x *** NEW *** XSPC "Bay-Res" Pump/Reservoir Combo....I have the pump/combo......I used it for a single loop to cool the GPU only....it's not powerful enough for you to run for the CPU and 2 X GPUs. You'll need something like Laing DCC or similar or Eheim 1048.







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[DoubleB]

Personally I'd go with D-Tek Fusion cpu block and 1/2" id tubing. Also remember you will need fans for the rad.

[andyl33t]

If you are eventually going to cool the the CPU, NB and 2xGPU, then you should go with a triple rad. You should be ok with having them all in one loop, just make sure that you have a powerful pump and that you use as less tubing as possible and have minimum retrictions.

If you would prefer to go with 2 seperate loops - 1st for the CPU and NB and 2nd loop for the GPUs, then get 2x double radiators for the loops.

+1 for the D-Tek block, great block with the accelerator kit. Also I would go for a t-line and not a res if you want to keep restriction to a minimum.

[Ric2L]

Ok, doing a little more research this morning, & reading what you guys think so far, how would this be to get me started. Will this setup be alright with just the CPU & 1 vid card if I get a 4870 when they come out?

HW Labs Black Ice GT Stealth 240
http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-65556269...ablicegts.html

D-TEK FuZion v2 Universal CPU Waterblock - 1/2"
http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-65556269...v2uncpuwa.html

D-Tek FuZion Accelerator Nozzle Kit
http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-65556269...fuacnokit.html

Laing DDC Absolute Pump Combo
http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-65556269...ddcabpuco.html

1/2" OD T-Fitting (for 1/2" and 7/16" ID Tubing)
http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-65556269...tf1and7id.html

Danger Den Acetal FillPort
http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-65556269...dadendefi.html

120mm Yate Loon D12SM-12 Case Fan - Black (70.5 CFM, 33 dBA)
http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-65556269...lod1cafa1.html

Tygon 3603 7/16" ID (5/8" OD) Clear Tubing, 10 ft.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=23338

If I do keep my 2 3870's & water cool them also, you don't think this set up would be good enough, or would I definatly need a triple Rad., If I would go with a triple I really dont think I can mount it inside my case. or will this setup work with just the cpu & 1 4870 or
1 4870X2???

[andyl33t]

The tubing you need is this: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...oducts_id=2729

TBH, that radiator won't suffice for a loop with a cpu and 2 gpus - for that you really need a triple radiator. It will be ok for 1 cpu and a gpu.

Also, have you considered what you are going to fill the loop with?

[Ric2L]

Originally Posted by andyl33t

The tubing you need is this: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...oducts_id=2729

TBH, that radiator won't suffice for a loop with a cpu and 2 gpus - for that you really need a triple radiator. It will be ok for 1 cpu and a gpu.

Also, have you considered what you are going to fill the loop with?

I was figuring on just Distilled water, & a touch of iodine. From what I been reading alot of people say to go with 7/16" ID tubing for a tighter (more leakproof) seal on 1/2" nozzles?

[andyl33t]

TBH when you install worm driven clamps on the fittings, you really won't have a leak. Using 7/16" is a real pain to fit on 1/2" since you have to put the hose in boiling water and fit it on.

For the coolant, I would recommend using distilled water and a few drops of PT_NUKE. I would also recommend feser f1 coolant but like with any dye, eventually you will get solids forming in the tubes.

[Ric2L]

Originally Posted by andyl33t

TBH when you install worm driven clamps on the fittings, you really won't have a leak. Using 7/16" is a real pain to fit on 1/2" since you have to put the hose in boiling water and fit it on.

For the coolant, I would recommend using distilled water and a few drops of PT_NUKE. I would also recommend feser f1 coolant but like with any dye, eventually you will get solids forming in the tubes.

I was thinking with using either Black w/red coils or Red/wblack coils, maybe a combo of both for my tubing, that way I won't use dye, I would keep the fill tube clear so I could check levels. got to check to see if Tygon was colored tubing, or something similar in black & red. I did add some PT-Nuke to my list, thanks.

[andyl33t]

Originally Posted by Ric2L

I was thinking with using either Black w/red coils or Red/wblack coils, maybe a combo of both for my tubing, that way I won't use dye, I would keep the fill tube clear so I could check levels. got to check to see if Tygon was colored tubing, or something similar in black & red. I did add some PT-Nuke to my list, thanks.

Sounds good. Theres no real use for antifreeze unless your mixing metals in your loop, where it acts as a corrosion inhibitor. But since your using all copper, you should be fine with a few drops of pt_nuke with plain distilled water.

[Ric2L]

Originally Posted by andyl33t

Sounds good. Theres no real use for antifreeze unless your mixing metals in your loop, where it acts as a corrosion inhibitor. But since your using all copper, you should be fine with a few drops of pt_nuke with plain distilled water.

Thanks for the assistance, I will start ordering parts asap, will prob take me a couple of weeks to get everything togeather. Hopefully by then I will know how much better 1 4870 will be vs. 2 3870's, may just go that route also.

[Conumdrum]

Did you read the 120x2 rad for a CPU GPU loop isn't enough?????????????

Hope you didn't order a x2 rad..........

[Ric2L]

Originally Posted by Conumdrum

Did you read the 120x2 rad for a CPU GPU loop isn't enough?????????????

Hope you didn't order a x2 rad..........

Yes I read that & no I did not order a 120x2 rad.

[Conumdrum]

TY, wasn't sure. Let us know how it goes when ya get your parts.

[andyl33t]

Originally Posted by Ric2L

Thanks for the assistance, I will start ordering parts asap, will prob take me a couple of weeks to get everything togeather. Hopefully by then I will know how much better 1 4870 will be vs. 2 3870's, may just go that route also.

No probs post your results when your done!

[hata28]

And u might want to add an reservoir, a Swiftech MCRES-MICRO Hi-Flo Reservoir cheap and handy.
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmchire.html
Eventually u might want to add a 2nd loop or even a 3rd loop...water cooling is an addiction! .. never end and keep ordering more parts!!




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[Ric2L]

Another question, clamps? will these be tight enough if I go with Tygon
R 3400 1/2 ID, 3/4 OD (http://www.petrastechshop.com/heclnyhoclsi3.html),
or just plain old worm drive hose clamps, which I really dont like the looks of!

These would be nice (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...e5b5ac75b34cb0) but there expensive, thinking about it though???


I ordered a Rad (http://www.petrastechshop.com/hwlablicegts1.html) and brackets (http://www.petrastechshop.com/siratoppadur.html) now to get them to fit in the top of my case, should work may have to do a little modding to brackets.

[hata28]

Check this out ..i'm using tygon tube....it's fitted real good and I didn't even use clamps. Sometimes i used some UV ties.





u might want to add non-conductive coolant like this Feser One F1 Cooling Fluid - Clear/UV Blue - http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22686

That's what i am having now on my CPU's Loop. And guess what it's really saved my mobo when I had a accidental leak on the GPU block
barb.

[Conumdrum]

Did you see the vid showing distilled vs liquid poured on the mobo? Distilled is lower conductivity (scientifically proven) than any other WC liquid. You got lucky...... And that is what matters no matter what you used.

[Ric2L]

Another Thought, would De-Ionized water be a good or bad choice to run in a system, Where I work I have an ample supply of it and can get as much as I would ever need???