[Same]

As of the time im typing this:

9800 GX2 = $320
2 x 4850 CF = $340

Winner = nVidia

GeForce GTX 260 = $250
ATi 4870 = $280

Winner = nVidia

GeForce GTX 280 = ?
Doesnt matter, ATi has nothing to compete

Winner = nVidia

GeForce 9800GTX = $190
ATi Radeon 4850 = $180

Winner = ATi





nVidia cut their prices down to the point where, I honestly think nVidia largely has better price / performance again.

[necrokiller]

Prices in Canada including taxes only

9800gx2 ~ $360................nvidia
2 x 4850 CF ~ $373

GeForce GTX 260 = $310
ATi 4870 = $280..............ATI

GeForce GTX 280 = $460.........nvidia
2 x 4870 (maybe) = $565

GeForce 9800GTX = $215
ATi Radeon 4850 = $186.........ATI


Its a tie really.

[d3v0]

Prices went down again huh? I saw the newegg price for the gtx 260 was 269.99 earlier today but hidden til you put it in the cart haha.

the 4850 still wins for the 150-250 bracket though, no?

[Same]

Originally Posted by d3v0

Prices went down again huh? I saw the newegg price for the gtx 260 was 269.99 earlier today but hidden til you put it in the cart haha.

the 4850 still wins for the 150-250 bracket though, no?

Yeah, I mean I've found 9800GTXs about the same price ($175-$200ish) but the 4850 outperforms the 9800GTX slightly (i've read), so at the same price ATi takes the cake on that one.

[moocow]

Originally Posted by Same

9800 GX2 = $330
2 x 4850 CF = $340

Winner = toss up

GeForce GTX 260 = $265
ATi 4870 = $265

Winner = ATI

GeForce GTX 280 = $400
2 x 4850 CF = $340

Winner = ATI

GeForce 9800GTX = $190
ATi Radeon 4850 = $180

Winner = ATi

Things might have changed in the last couple hours. But prices AMIR are around the same for all of the cards. And comparing dual 4850s to a gtx280 would be a better comparison than two 4870s. Since you're comparing two 4850s to a GX2 and the GX2 outperforms the GTX280 most of the time.

[Boomer0909]

i gotta say im loving my 9800gtx+ 65fps cod4 for max settings aa 4x its nice cant wait to clock it

[d3v0]

nvidia's getting everything they can out of that g92 hahaha

[BossBorot]

boiling down current graphics card lineups to such simplistic compairisons never covers even half the story. Typically compairisons such as this act as a giant flamebate that attract opinionated people that turn the thread into a fanboy war. I know that you ment well in showing that nVidia is doing well in combating the 4 series surprise hit, and I agree they have done well in dropping prices to match ATis current lineup, but it just comes off in the wrong tone IMHO.

I personally could think of reasons each side wins in each of the four arbitrary price segments you devided them into. You can never say that one card is completely better then another card in current lineups, you just cant. There are far to many factors present and certain factors matter more to certain people. Basically the scale can always be tipped in either direction depending on who you are asking and what features are most important to them.

Im sorry if this post comes off as attacking you that is not my point at all. Im just trying to derail the way I could easily see this thread moving to before it gets to out of hand. Recently I have seen hostilities pop up all over threads that declare certain cards hands down winners.

[ou_phidelt]

I agree, other factors come into play depending on the user. What games are important, power use, noise levels, folding, and even drvier quality with other OS's. It isn't just a matter of average performance over several games and selling price.

[necrokiller]

Originally Posted by ou_phidelt

I agree, other factors come into play depending on the user. What games are important, power use, noise levels, folding, and even drvier quality with other OS's. It isn't just a matter of average performance over several games and selling price.

For other OS's (linux and leopard), you can do better with the entry level cards. I know because I use linux, leopard and vista. If you are a gamer too, then obviously average performance over a lot of games is important. Its ridiculous to buy a card based on 2-3 games of choice. Whatever the case may be, you need the highest performance in games alone mostly.

[atm743]

I have been thinking lately that the video card market has been FLOODED with useless different models and i find it sickening. I recall when the 7800gtx and all the other modles that came with it were coming out. they only made 3 or so different levels of that card (high end, mid range, low cost) and they did the same thing with the 7900gt's but with maybe a few different revisions (like the 7900gto) but that's it.


ever since they released the G80 core the market has been flooded with over 15 different models, die shrinks, then then the G92 series with was basically the same damn thing as the G80 but to save $ they just did was jacked up clockings to get some sort of performance gain over the G80's i find that all this 9600 an 9800 series to be pointless. these cards get high numbers on 3d mark 06 but that's because of their high stock clocking compared to the G80 clockings but once you play games the fps would be either the same or in most parts less. then they put out this 9800gx2 which i find useless (unless you're playing on a 1920 x 1200 or 2560 x 1600 monitor now they finally released a new GPU that is not just a die shrink. has double the shader units as the 8800gtx, 512bit memory interface, more video ram and i think a few more ROP's than the G80.

i think everything after the 8800gts G92 up to the G200's was just pointless. My 8800gtx and some other peoples 8800gtx's and Ultra's surpassed all these other cards that came after them till the G200's

Ati has some nice cards with nice prices but I'm staying Nvidia. never had a problem with them and i have find more games work better under nvidia drivers/gpu's than ati. only a few games (like half life 2 and a few other games) have more performance gain over ati. most new high end games now are supported by nvidia.

[tom10167]

Originally Posted by atm743

I have been thinking lately that the video card market has been FLOODED with useless different models and i find it sickening. I recall when the 7800gtx and all the other modles that came with it were coming out. they only made 3 or so different levels of that card (high end, mid range, low cost) and they did the same thing with the 7900gt's but with maybe a few different revisions (like the 7900gto) but that's it.


ever since they released the G80 core the market has been flooded with over 15 different models, die shrinks, then then the G92 series with was basically the same damn thing as the G80 but to save $ they just did was jacked up clockings to get some sort of performance gain over the G80's i find that all this 9600 an 9800 series to be pointless. these cards get high numbers on 3d mark 06 but that's because of their high stock clocking compared to the G80 clockings but once you play games the fps would be either the same or in most parts less. then they put out this 9800gx2 which i find useless (unless you're playing on a 1920 x 1200 or 2560 x 1600 monitor now they finally released a new GPU that is not just a die shrink. has double the shader units as the 8800gtx, 512bit memory interface, more video ram and i think a few more ROP's than the G80.

i think everything after the 8800gts G92 up to the G200's was just pointless. My 8800gtx and some other peoples 8800gtx's and Ultra's surpassed all these other cards that came after them till the G200's

Ati has some nice cards with nice prices but I'm staying Nvidia. never had a problem with them and i have find more games work better under nvidia drivers/gpu's than ati. only a few games (like half life 2 and a few other games) have more performance gain over ati. most new high end games now are supported by nvidia.

I ran out of breath six times reading this post.

However, I agree.

[atm743]

Originally Posted by tom10167

I ran out of breath six times reading this post.

However, I agree.

lawl, yeah i kinda tend to forget to end my sentences lol.

[Neural Net]

UK:

4850 = £111
9800 GTX + = £129

Winner ATI

4870 = £172
GTX 260 = £200

Winner ATI

4850s in Crossfire = £222
9800 GX2 = £225

TIED

4850s in Crossfire = £222
GTX 280 = £264

Winner ATI.

Not the case in the UK at least.

[Badbonji]

The 9800gtx+ is better than the 4850 most of the time, so it costs more. Also the HD4870X2 will be competing with the GTX280 soon enough, so Ati will win at high end. Two 9800gtx+ scale very well, and in benchmarks I have seen aren't far behind the performance of two HD4870's.

[Mr.Guvernment]

how is saving $20 on a 4850 x 2 vs 9800Gx@ when a single 4850 beats out a single 9800 GTX? )not the + model)




4870 can compete sometimes with the 280 and the X2 is coming in august



And now also factor in NVIDIA having to replace what, 2 billion in GPU's.. sure they say it is laptops only, but that is a BIG scare for people to buy NVIDIA = ATI win

[Neural Net]

Originally Posted by Badbonji

The 9800gtx+ is better than the 4850 most of the time, so it costs more. Also the HD4870X2 will be competing with the GTX280 soon enough, so Ati will win at high end. Two 9800gtx+ scale very well, and in benchmarks I have seen aren't far behind the performance of two HD4870's.

Actually, no. The GTX+ wins and loses to the 4850, if anything at all they are to be considered even. The price difference isn't justified at all.

[ratbuddy]

Originally Posted by Neural Net

Actually, no. The GTX+ wins and loses to the 4850, if anything at all they are to be considered even. The price difference isn't justified at all.

Taking OCing into account, the GTX+ does indeed have an edge. It's not hugely faster but it does. We'll have to see where prices stabilize for GTX+ when it actually becomes widely available to really make a fair comparison though.

[Same]

Yeah, I did not mean to say nVidia owns ATi or anything like that. Both are great companies, and the 4000 series was an awesome comeback by ATi. Im actually really glad it happened becuase nVidia did not have any competition for awhile. What I'm trying to show is nVidia has cut prices dramatically and the playing field is even now, with many nVidia cards that would perform the same but cost more, now costing the same or less.

[ratbuddy]

Originally Posted by Same

Yeah, I did not mean to say nVidia owns ATi or anything like that. Both are great companies, and the 4000 series was an awesome comeback by ATi. Im actually really glad it happened becuase nVidia did not have any competition for awhile. What I'm trying to show is nVidia has cut prices dramatically and the playing field is even now, with many nVidia cards that would perform the same but cost more, now costing the same or less.

Right, now the playing field is indeed even, or close to it. The ATI guys do have something to be happy about, after being in the dumper so long, if they're a little overzealous in promoting their newfound competitiveness, who can blame them?

Hopefully both sides keep coming out with faster and faster products at lower and lower prices