TRUE and a washer trick

Melhisedek · 11-04-08, 06:22 AM

I'm sure you guys know about this one, any ideas how "thick" this washer should be and can I screw the screws all the way down after putting washer in its place?

ghost_recon88 · 11-04-08, 08:00 AM

I've heard of this trick, but I'm yet to see any actual results from it? Does it really help temps? I've heard of using a penny, which is what I've tried.

Kar · 11-04-08, 08:19 AM

I used one of those foam rings that comes with Cd stack Bundles.

The foam ring is around 1 inch in diameter and 5mm thick. The foam ring is bouncy and collapsible. Around 2mm thick after screwing the heatsink tight.

After adding it to the TRUE, a whopping 3c drop in CPU Temp.

Melhisedek · 11-04-08, 08:53 AM

Any oc increase?

CGR · 11-04-08, 09:18 AM

AFAIK, it should just be a regular thinkness metal/plastic washer.

Kar · 11-04-08, 09:23 AM

After the mod, I pushed the Q9550 to 470FSB@ 1.328v.

57c loaded temp, before mod load temp 60c, room temp 30c.

I can push it higher with higher voltage 1.34, but i am happy happy at 3.99ghz prime 95 stable.

jason4207 · 11-04-08, 09:27 AM

I removed the screw from the scissor bracket (you have to break it off), and then replaced the screw w/ a new one, but put 2 tiny washers in there first.

Works good for me. Load temps dropped about 8*C, but there may have been other extenuating circumstances that also helped lower temps (I also switched from AS-5 to MX-2).

UglyChild · 11-04-08, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghost_recon88

I've heard of this trick, but I'm yet to see any actual results from it? Does it really help temps? I've heard of using a penny, which is what I've tried.

Did a penny trick on my friends PC, seem to worked out well.

The problem with foam, is that over time it becomes near flat as paper from pressure.

baditude_df · 11-04-08, 02:46 PM

I used a washer that had a thickness of 2.5mm or ~ just over 1/16". That actually dropped my core temperatures ~5deg. It had more effect than lapping did.

Melhisedek · 11-05-08, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kar

After the mod, I pushed the Q9550 to 470FSB@ 1.328v.

57c loaded temp, before mod load temp 60c, room temp 30c.

I can push it higher with higher voltage 1.34, but i am happy happy at 3.99ghz prime 95 stable.

How much could you push it before the mod?

JonSimonzi · 11-05-08, 10:06 AM

I've never heard of this. Can someone please elaborate?

dim1014 · 11-05-08, 10:10 AM

yeah me neither? where do you put the washer/penny?

baditude_df · 11-05-08, 10:13 AM

There's a little indentation at the top of the TRUE's base. That is for the the little knob on the retention bracket to fit in to so that it stays in place. You can fit a thin washer on the top of the TRUE's base so that the hole in the washer lines up with the indentation on the top of the base, then put the retention bracket on, it will allow you an extra few millimeters more travel on the screws when you're tightening. Therefore you get more downward force on the base and hopefully better contact and temperatures.

dim1014 · 11-05-08, 10:35 AM

hm I can't exactly picture it but I don't have my true yet. how would a penny work if it needs to have a hole?

baditude_df · 11-05-08, 11:19 AM

You know how a key goes into a keyhole? It the same principle, except there is a convex knob on the bottom middle of the retainer bracket, and a convex hole on the top of the heatsink base to receive it. When you put the retention bracket over the heatsink base and screw the retention bracket into the back plate the screws will cause the legs of the bracket to bend slightly and therefore put downward force on the heatsink base. At a certain point, the screws bottom out and you are left with the stock tension. At this stage the heatsink is firmly held against the CPU IHS, but there is still a bit of play if you attempt to twist the heatsink. To help combat this, you can slip a washer (forget the penny) between the retention bracket and the heatsink base. In order to even start the screws into the receivers in the backplate takes alot more force because you have increased the distance between the screw and the hole. After only a few turns of the screws you will be at roughly stock tension, and if you bottom out the screws in this fashion you will have significantly more tension.

Check these out:
http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...-question.html
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1276479

Google and the forums search function are your friends. Give them a try once in a while.

dim1014 · 11-05-08, 11:35 AM

perfect! the picture in the second post explained it. thanks!

dim1014 · 11-05-08, 11:40 AM

where would you guys recommend to get some rubber washers?I think I need one for this purpose and maybe some to put between/on my harddrives to dampen the noise? (I heard that helps). I looked on ebay (that's where I got my zipties) but there didn't seem to be anything that was just right.

Melhisedek · 11-06-08, 07:40 AM

I did this little mod yesterday. Used 3 mm washer. Thought I'll crush CPU but I didn't

Good thing:
Idle temps almost unchanged, perhaps 1C less... Load temps went down 5C !!! Happy puppy

Bad things:
I didn't gain any oc from temp drop. Not even a single FSB on lower multi...

All in all it wasn't hard to do and didn't take much time. Sadly it was waste of time for me

dim1014 · 11-06-08, 06:54 PM

where could I buy some washers!

daunsociable · 11-06-08, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dim1014

where could I buy some washers!

any hardware store should have washers...i.e. sears, home depot, lowes ect

11-04-08, 06:22 AM	Thread Starter #1
Melhisedek Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden	TRUE and a washer trick I'm sure you guys know about this one, any ideas how "thick" this washer should be and can I screw the screws all the way down after putting washer in its place?
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11-04-08, 08:00 AM	#2
ghost_recon88 Senior Jedi Master Premium Member #9 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Michigan	I've heard of this trick, but I'm yet to see any actual results from it? Does it really help temps? I've heard of using a penny, which is what I've tried. __________________ The will to live will always outweigh the ability to die
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11-04-08, 08:19 AM	#3
Kar Registered Join Date: Feb 2003	I used one of those foam rings that comes with Cd stack Bundles. The foam ring is around 1 inch in diameter and 5mm thick. The foam ring is bouncy and collapsible. Around 2mm thick after screwing the heatsink tight. After adding it to the TRUE, a whopping 3c drop in CPU Temp.
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11-04-08, 08:53 AM	Thread Starter #4
Melhisedek Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden	Any oc increase?
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11-04-08, 09:18 AM	#5
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11-04-08, 09:23 AM	#6
Kar Registered Join Date: Feb 2003	After the mod, I pushed the Q9550 to 470FSB@ 1.328v. 57c loaded temp, before mod load temp 60c, room temp 30c. I can push it higher with higher voltage 1.34, but i am happy happy at 3.99ghz prime 95 stable.
	QUOTE Thanks

11-04-08, 09:27 AM	#7
jason4207 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Concord, NC	I removed the screw from the scissor bracket (you have to break it off), and then replaced the screw w/ a new one, but put 2 tiny washers in there first. Works good for me. Load temps dropped about 8C, but there may have been other extenuating circumstances that also helped lower temps (I also switched from AS-5 to MX-2). __________________ MAIN RIG:* 3570K @ 4.5GHz 1.272v H100i Extreme4-Z77 8GB-G.Skill @ 2200MHz 9-11-11-28 1.60v CM_430-Elite GTX670_DCuII_TOP @ 1358/7244 1.212v Xplosion-DTS 256GB-Samsung_830 1TB-Black Seasonic_X-750 27.5"-1200P-LCD Z5500-5.1 \|\| PLV-Z4_720P_Projector_95" Paradigm_6.1_DTS-ES G9_Mouse Logitech_Illuminated_KB Logitech_G27_Wheel+Microsim_Racing_Pod *HEAT* GAMING HTPC: i3-550 @ 4.5GHz 1.35v H70 MSI_H55M-ED55 4GB-G.Skill @ 1875MHz 7-9-7-23 1T GTS450 @ 970/1940/2100 240GB_Sandisk_Extreme 640GB_Blue Corsair_CX430 Panny 42S2 1080P Plasma unRAID FILE SERVER: E5200-M0 @ 2GHz 0.856v MSIP43Neo3-F 4GB-Corsair @ 800MHz CM590 Antec550W 19TB-Parity_Protected_Storage / 1TB-Cache / 2TB-Parity / 10x2TB 2x1TB
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11-04-08, 02:46 PM	#9
baditude_df Northern Senior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Calgary, AB. CAN.	I used a washer that had a thickness of 2.5mm or ~ just over 1/16". That actually dropped my core temperatures ~5deg. It had more effect than lapping did. __________________ \| GA- H55N-USB3 \| i5-760 @ stock \|AXP-140 RT\| ICD7 \|Corsair 80G SSD \| Saphire HD6870 1GB \| Silversone SG07B-W with 600w\| \| Win7Ux64 \| 8G HyperX DDR3-1600 @ Stock Timing and Voltage <<<<<<HeatWare 60-0-0: All right here at OCF!>>>>>> Join the OCF Rosetta Team - Help Find a Cure! \m/ OverClockers mATX L33T Club \m/
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11-05-08, 10:06 AM	#11
JonSimonzi Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Providence, RI	I've never heard of this. Can someone please elaborate? __________________ Asus Maximus IV Extreme-Z - i7 2700K - Corsair H80 Diamond 7970 - 3x Dell U2412M 16GB G.Skill Sniper - 256GB Crucial M4 - 3TB Hitachi 7K3000 Corsair AX850 - Corsair 600T Heatware
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11-05-08, 10:10 AM	#12
dim1014 Member Join Date: Feb 2008	yeah me neither? where do you put the washer/penny?
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11-05-08, 10:13 AM	#13
baditude_df Northern Senior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Calgary, AB. CAN.	There's a little indentation at the top of the TRUE's base. That is for the the little knob on the retention bracket to fit in to so that it stays in place. You can fit a thin washer on the top of the TRUE's base so that the hole in the washer lines up with the indentation on the top of the base, then put the retention bracket on, it will allow you an extra few millimeters more travel on the screws when you're tightening. Therefore you get more downward force on the base and hopefully better contact and temperatures. __________________ \| GA- H55N-USB3 \| i5-760 @ stock \|AXP-140 RT\| ICD7 \|Corsair 80G SSD \| Saphire HD6870 1GB \| Silversone SG07B-W with 600w\| \| Win7Ux64 \| 8G HyperX DDR3-1600 @ Stock Timing and Voltage <<<<<<HeatWare 60-0-0: All right here at OCF!>>>>>> Join the OCF Rosetta Team - Help Find a Cure! \m/ OverClockers mATX L33T Club \m/
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11-05-08, 10:35 AM	#14
dim1014 Member Join Date: Feb 2008	hm I can't exactly picture it but I don't have my true yet. how would a penny work if it needs to have a hole?
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11-05-08, 11:19 AM	#15
baditude_df Northern Senior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Calgary, AB. CAN.	You know how a key goes into a keyhole? It the same principle, except there is a convex knob on the bottom middle of the retainer bracket, and a convex hole on the top of the heatsink base to receive it. When you put the retention bracket over the heatsink base and screw the retention bracket into the back plate the screws will cause the legs of the bracket to bend slightly and therefore put downward force on the heatsink base. At a certain point, the screws bottom out and you are left with the stock tension. At this stage the heatsink is firmly held against the CPU IHS, but there is still a bit of play if you attempt to twist the heatsink. To help combat this, you can slip a washer (forget the penny) between the retention bracket and the heatsink base. In order to even start the screws into the receivers in the backplate takes alot more force because you have increased the distance between the screw and the hole. After only a few turns of the screws you will be at roughly stock tension, and if you bottom out the screws in this fashion you will have significantly more tension. Check these out: http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...-question.html http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1276479 Google and the forums search function are your friends. Give them a try once in a while. __________________ \| GA- H55N-USB3 \| i5-760 @ stock \|AXP-140 RT\| ICD7 \|Corsair 80G SSD \| Saphire HD6870 1GB \| Silversone SG07B-W with 600w\| \| Win7Ux64 \| 8G HyperX DDR3-1600 @ Stock Timing and Voltage <<<<<<HeatWare 60-0-0: All right here at OCF!>>>>>> Join the OCF Rosetta Team - Help Find a Cure! \m/ OverClockers mATX L33T Club \m/
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11-05-08, 11:35 AM	#16
dim1014 Member Join Date: Feb 2008	perfect! the picture in the second post explained it. thanks!
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11-05-08, 11:40 AM	#17
dim1014 Member Join Date: Feb 2008	where would you guys recommend to get some rubber washers?I think I need one for this purpose and maybe some to put between/on my harddrives to dampen the noise? (I heard that helps). I looked on ebay (that's where I got my zipties) but there didn't seem to be anything that was just right.
	QUOTE Thanks

11-06-08, 07:40 AM	Thread Starter #18
Melhisedek Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden	I did this little mod yesterday. Used 3 mm washer. Thought I'll crush CPU but I didn't Good thing: Idle temps almost unchanged, perhaps 1C less... Load temps went down 5C !!! Happy puppy Bad things: I didn't gain any oc from temp drop. Not even a single FSB on lower multi... All in all it wasn't hard to do and didn't take much time. Sadly it was waste of time for me
	QUOTE Thanks

11-06-08, 06:54 PM	#19
dim1014 Member Join Date: Feb 2008	where could I buy some washers!
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