Computer won't boot

tntnardo · 11-24-08, 03:26 PM

Problem started when a friend turned computer on and mouse curser was missing, she said that there were no lights on mouse or keyboard. So she then tried replacing mouse. Now the computer will not boot. It gets to the black screen where it say's Main Processor .. memory Testing... and then it say's, "Detecting IDE Drives ..." it does not say anything else. On the bottom of the screen it states," Press DEL to enter setup" but nothing happens if you press delete. Also the light is not on the mouse or keyboard. I've tried two different mouse's and keyboards. I tried clearing cmos both by jumping the pins and also by removing battery, still no luck. I also tried putting windows cd in but it would not boot to cd. Same screen would come up. It is a MSI KM4AM-V ... Sempron 2400. It has onboard sound and video. Any help would be appreciated.

RJARRRPCGP · 11-24-08, 03:41 PM

Reconnect EVERYTHING! Sounds like the mouse isn't plugged in all the way. Also sounds like the HDD could have a bad connection.

tntnardo · 11-24-08, 03:50 PM

re-connected everything, tried swapping out the ram, nothing has changed.

Old Thrashbarg · 11-24-08, 04:52 PM

Pop the case open and check the capacitors near the CPU socket. Any of 'em look bulged on top, or have brown goo coming out of 'em? That motherboard falls in the age range where that was a common problem, and your symptoms fit well with it.

Unfortunately, if that is the problem, you'd need to replace the motherboard. (Or the capacitors, if you're technically inclined enough to do so.)

tntnardo · 11-24-08, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Thrashbarg

Pop the case open and check the capacitors near the CPU socket. Any of 'em look bulged on top, or have brown goo coming out of 'em? That motherboard falls in the age range where that was a common problem, and your symptoms fit well with it.

Unfortunately, if that is the problem, you'd need to replace the motherboard. (Or the capacitors, if you're technically inclined enough to do so.)

They all look good.

Mr.DLucey · 11-24-08, 06:15 PM

"tntnardo" Disconnect her harddrive and try to post with out it. I have seen bad hardrives do strange things. Your running a Socket A system too. Try removing her power supply and swapping in yours. Still not it, try putting in her Sempron 2400 in your motherboard, might as well toss her ram in too. If it all works it must be her motherboard gone bad.

FlailBoy · 11-25-08, 08:58 AM

I'd also try disconnecting the mouse, and then booting while holding down the 'ins' key. If that gets you into the BIOS, reset everything to fail-safe defaults.

RJARRRPCGP · 11-25-08, 03:48 PM

Replace the CR2032 battery and reset the CMOS. Then blow dust off the motherboard and reconnect the Molexes and IDE connectors.

mxthunder · 11-26-08, 08:19 AM

Could be locking up cause its hot too. Take the heatsink off and see if there is any thermal paste left between the CPU and HS

tntnardo · 11-26-08, 01:59 PM

I tried a boot without HD connected and it did give more information. As I mentioned in the fist post, it would get to,"Detecting IDE drives" and go no further. With HD disconnected it added info: Primary Master
Primary Slave
Secontary Master
Secontary Slave
It listed my two CD rom drives
it also say's:CMOS checksun eror-defaults loaded, on the bottom of screen it say's press F1 ... Delete to enter setup put when I press the key's it doesn't resond. Don't know if this helps with problem, but thought I would mention it.

FlailBoy · 11-26-08, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RJARRRPCGP

Replace the CR2032 battery and reset the CMOS.

Seconded. Sounds like the CMOS battery could be going.

http://www.amazon.com/SONY-CR2032-Eq.../dp/B000A0RIHI

tntnardo · 11-28-08, 01:14 PM

Ok, I removed the battery, reset cmos ... same problem. I then removed both sticks of ram, all hardware from slots, disconnected both cd's, unplugged mouse & keyboard, disconnected HD ... same problem. My guess at this time is it is the MB. The one in there now is a MSI KM4M-V (socket A 462). I would like to stay with MSI, also need onboard video, I could not find many for sale, found one used on Ebay KM4M-L for $46 shipped. Will update when new MB is installed. Thanks for all the help!!

tntnardo · 12-09-08, 03:45 PM

Ok here's the update, I replaced the MB, started it up and got to the same screen: It does not show any of my hardware and at the bottom it say's,"Press delete to enter". Nothing happens when I press the delete key. I then disconnected the HD and was able to get into the bio's. I set the bio's to all of the proper setting and pressed F10 to save and boot. It did not boot and message said,"Disc boot failure-insert system disc and press enter", this was with the HD disconnected. I then reconnected HD and tried to boot ... It then goes to that same screen where it does not show any of my hardware and say's to press delele to enter setup, but nothing happens when I press delete. Does this suggest that it could be HD?? Any suggestions before I buy new HD?????

tom_ozahoski · 12-09-08, 07:42 PM

I think the HD is dead. Disconnect the HD and try to boot from a CD

tntnardo · 12-10-08, 03:11 PM

just got a hold of used HD ... installed used HD .... Problem solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for al the help it was GREATLY appreciated!! Time to do a format

11-24-08, 03:26 PM	Thread Starter #1
tntnardo Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michagan	Computer won't boot Problem started when a friend turned computer on and mouse curser was missing, she said that there were no lights on mouse or keyboard. So she then tried replacing mouse. Now the computer will not boot. It gets to the black screen where it say's Main Processor .. memory Testing... and then it say's, "Detecting IDE Drives ..." it does not say anything else. On the bottom of the screen it states," Press DEL to enter setup" but nothing happens if you press delete. Also the light is not on the mouse or keyboard. I've tried two different mouse's and keyboards. I tried clearing cmos both by jumping the pins and also by removing battery, still no luck. I also tried putting windows cd in but it would not boot to cd. Same screen would come up. It is a MSI KM4AM-V ... Sempron 2400. It has onboard sound and video. Any help would be appreciated.
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11-24-08, 03:41 PM	#2
RJARRRPCGP Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA (Springfield, Vermont)	Reconnect EVERYTHING! Sounds like the mouse isn't plugged in all the way. Also sounds like the HDD could have a bad connection. __________________ Asus Maximus II Gene- Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.6 Ghz (450x8.0) -ICH10R - eVGA GeForce 9500 GT-Fortron FSP500-60GLN(80) 500W PSU " holy cow!! you find a rat in there too!?!?!? " -turbohans "Reinstall winders." -jivetrky "I think I am going to need another coke before I start this up." -cadman420 "Soon Windows will be 50 gb! lololol" -Tokae "NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA."
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11-24-08, 03:50 PM	Thread Starter #3
tntnardo Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michagan	re-connected everything, tried swapping out the ram, nothing has changed.
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11-24-08, 04:52 PM	#4
Old Thrashbarg Member Join Date: Sep 2007	Pop the case open and check the capacitors near the CPU socket. Any of 'em look bulged on top, or have brown goo coming out of 'em? That motherboard falls in the age range where that was a common problem, and your symptoms fit well with it. Unfortunately, if that is the problem, you'd need to replace the motherboard. (Or the capacitors, if you're technically inclined enough to do so.)
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11-24-08, 06:15 PM	#6
Mr.DLucey Member Join Date: Jul 2002	"tntnardo" Disconnect her harddrive and try to post with out it. I have seen bad hardrives do strange things. Your running a Socket A system too. Try removing her power supply and swapping in yours. Still not it, try putting in her Sempron 2400 in your motherboard, might as well toss her ram in too. If it all works it must be her motherboard gone bad. __________________ E6600 @2.99GHz - DFI Infinity P965 Dark - 4GB PC6400 - WD 300GB Raptor - WD 74GB Raptor - Radeon HD 3850 256MB - Vista Business E6420 @2.13GHz - Asrock 4Core DualVSTA - 4GB PC 6400 - WD 120GB IDE - Sapphire HD 3850 512MB - XP Home
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11-25-08, 08:58 AM	#7
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11-25-08, 03:48 PM	#8
RJARRRPCGP Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA (Springfield, Vermont)	Replace the CR2032 battery and reset the CMOS. Then blow dust off the motherboard and reconnect the Molexes and IDE connectors. __________________ Asus Maximus II Gene- Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.6 Ghz (450x8.0) -ICH10R - eVGA GeForce 9500 GT-Fortron FSP500-60GLN(80) 500W PSU " holy cow!! you find a rat in there too!?!?!? " -turbohans "Reinstall winders." -jivetrky "I think I am going to need another coke before I start this up." -cadman420 "Soon Windows will be 50 gb! lololol" -Tokae "NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA."
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11-26-08, 08:19 AM	#9
mxthunder Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Northeast Ohio	Could be locking up cause its hot too. Take the heatsink off and see if there is any thermal paste left between the CPU and HS __________________ i5 2500K @ 4.8GHz Asrock Z68 Extreme 7 Gen3 2x4GB Ripjaws @ 1600 7-8-7-24-34 - 1T XSPC res + D5, RS360 + EK 120mm rad GeForce GTX580 SLI @ 900 HC2 blocks Corsair TX950 WD Velociraptor 450GB/Hitachi 7k1000/Intel 330 SSD cache drive Dell 2209WA @ 75hz Corsair Obsidian 700D
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11-26-08, 01:59 PM	Thread Starter #10
tntnardo Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michagan	I tried a boot without HD connected and it did give more information. As I mentioned in the fist post, it would get to,"Detecting IDE drives" and go no further. With HD disconnected it added info: Primary Master Primary Slave Secontary Master Secontary Slave It listed my two CD rom drives it also say's:CMOS checksun eror-defaults loaded, on the bottom of screen it say's press F1 ... Delete to enter setup put when I press the key's it doesn't resond. Don't know if this helps with problem, but thought I would mention it.
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11-28-08, 01:14 PM	Thread Starter #12
tntnardo Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michagan	Ok, I removed the battery, reset cmos ... same problem. I then removed both sticks of ram, all hardware from slots, disconnected both cd's, unplugged mouse & keyboard, disconnected HD ... same problem. My guess at this time is it is the MB. The one in there now is a MSI KM4M-V (socket A 462). I would like to stay with MSI, also need onboard video, I could not find many for sale, found one used on Ebay KM4M-L for $46 shipped. Will update when new MB is installed. Thanks for all the help!!
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12-09-08, 03:45 PM	Thread Starter #13
tntnardo Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michagan	Ok here's the update, I replaced the MB, started it up and got to the same screen: It does not show any of my hardware and at the bottom it say's,"Press delete to enter". Nothing happens when I press the delete key. I then disconnected the HD and was able to get into the bio's. I set the bio's to all of the proper setting and pressed F10 to save and boot. It did not boot and message said,"Disc boot failure-insert system disc and press enter", this was with the HD disconnected. I then reconnected HD and tried to boot ... It then goes to that same screen where it does not show any of my hardware and say's to press delele to enter setup, but nothing happens when I press delete. Does this suggest that it could be HD?? Any suggestions before I buy new HD?????
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12-09-08, 07:42 PM	#14
tom_ozahoski Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Folding in Port St. John FLORIDA	I think the HD is dead. Disconnect the HD and try to boot from a CD
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12-10-08, 03:11 PM	Thread Starter #15
tntnardo Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michagan	just got a hold of used HD ... installed used HD .... Problem solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for al the help it was GREATLY appreciated!! Time to do a format
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