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cdawg001 · 01-17-02, 07:46 PM

Can you use a Socket A CPU in a Socket 7 motherboard? What can you use?

DarkArctic · 01-17-02, 07:48 PM

Welcome to the forums!

Nope. Socket 7's are only for Pentium's (the original) and any compatibles. Like an old Cyrix. Socket A is an Athlon, socket 7 is way before Athlon's time.

This should be in Intel CPU's though.

-DarkArctic

tbirdkiri · 01-17-02, 07:49 PM

no you cant.

you can use a socket 7 cpu in a socket 7 board.
but a socket a cpu only works in a socket a board.

jazztrumpet216 · 01-17-02, 07:59 PM

You CAN use Pentiums or any of the AMD K6-series prcessors though.

cw823 · 01-17-02, 08:01 PM

Pentiums up through the 233 mmx. (speed demon!..lol)....K6's, k6-2's, and k6-3's (dogs).

VashTheStampede · 01-17-02, 08:05 PM

Hehe, I still got my Cyrix 686 somewhere around here, with mobo.

~Vash~

mw521 · 01-17-02, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tbirdkiri
no you cant.

you can use a socket 7 cpu in a socket 7 board.
but a socket a cpu only works in a socket a board.

Say THAT 10 times real fast!

cdawg001 · 01-17-02, 08:11 PM

I can use a pentium though right like a P3 or what?

jazztrumpet216 · 01-17-02, 08:13 PM

No, only Pentium I's... through 233MHz.

cdawg001 · 01-17-02, 08:15 PM

Lets break this down. I have a k623dnow cpu so how much higher can i go???

jazztrumpet216 · 01-17-02, 08:24 PM

What's the speed on it???? If your system supports 100MHz FSB, you can go up to a 550MHz K6/2 or a 450MHz K6/3.

cdawg001 · 01-17-02, 08:25 PM

Lets break this down. I have a k623dnow cpu so how much higher can i go???

jazztrumpet216 · 01-17-02, 08:29 PM

We can't tell you anything more on your system without more information on it. A "k623dnow" CPU doesn't tell us anything about your motherboard, if it did, we could tell you for sure what it supports. With the information you're giving me, I can only tell you that your system MIGHT support a 550MHz K6/2 or a 450MHz K6/3.

repo man11 · 01-17-02, 08:52 PM

The best socket 7 CPU's are the K6-2+ and K6-3+.They are much better than the standard K6-2, which has no level 2 cache, and is made with .25 micron architecture, and run very hot. These were made for mobile PC's, and have level 2 cache, .18 micron architecture, and are good overclockers. K6-3+ CPU's are so rare that they are unreasonably priced.I've seen K6-3+'s go for over $110.00 for a 550! The K6-2+ has half the level 2 cache,(128K instead of 256K), but are otherwise identical. They also have the enhanced 3d Now instructions of the Athlon. Tiger Direct has the K6-2+450 for sale for $35.00. If your board can run it, it's the best you could get, and is good for 600+ mhz. Your board has to be able to go as low as 2.0 volts. I've heard of people running them at up to 2.4, but they probably won't live long at that voltage. Do a Google search for a K6-III+,(typed that way) and the first thing to come up will be a page that Jan Steunebrink maintains with BIOS files to allow you to run one of these. If your board is listed, you're in business!

adamtekh · 01-17-02, 09:06 PM

i have a premo OC ing k6-2

its a 475 k6-2 + , it has survied 3.2 Vcore with stock cooling

i was able to run a 133 mhz fsb with it

it still works great

i just dont have a mobo to use its full potential, cuase the last good super socket7 mobo which is what u want

lasted a week @ 3 vcore and 133 fsb

they arnt teh greates chips , u could get a 200 mmx and oc it to maybe 300 mhz be about as good as my k6-2 475

the k6-2 would be faster @ bussines apps and such , but the FPU really sucked on the k6 line

FRANK · 01-17-02, 09:27 PM

There's more to it than if the CPU physically fits the socket. There are other things that must be considered. The voltages, the last generation of socket 7 CPU's, the K6-2+ and K6III+, require a Vcore of 2.0 where the earlier Pentium were, I believe 3.3, make sure that the board supports this. Another issue you may run into is BIOS compatibility, I know that the FIC boards need an upgrade to a BETA BIOS for the BIOS to properly recognize these processors, and you will still be saddled with the slower FSB and ATA33 IDE, slower memory etc.

One other consideration, with the cost of the later socket A platform dropping daily, you can upgrade the motherboard and CPU to a later board and a DURON. This route would provide you with a viable upgrade in the future to as much as 2G, for not much more money than a few upgrades to the aging socket 7 platform.

Good Luck!

res0r9lm · 01-17-02, 09:46 PM

you need a super socket 7 for k2 or k3

jazztrumpet216 · 01-17-02, 09:48 PM

No you don't. The pin assignments are the same, everything works OK. The only catch is that some of the older Socket 7 boards don't support a 100MHz FSB, so you have to use the built-in logic circuit for a multipler of 6 and raise the FSB as high as it'll go!

adamtekh · 01-17-02, 09:59 PM

yes my k6-2 475 is in a crpay old no name mobo , with the highest jumpers being 3.5 x 75 so 266 is highest u think eh ?

NO!!

the k6-2s with cxt cores wonderfully think that 2x is 6x so

6x75 and #! 450 mhz , but the chip sets r old and ive got 128 megs of pc100 ram in it and it sees 32

gets around 110 mega bytes a sec mem through put though

res0r9lm · 01-17-02, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by adamtekh
yes my k6-2 475 is in a crpay old no name mobo , with the highest jumpers being 3.5 x 75 so 266 is highest u think eh ?

NO!!

the k6-2s with cxt cores wonderfully think that 2x is 6x so

6x75 and #! 450 mhz , but the chip sets r old and ive got 128 megs of pc100 ram in it and it sees 32

gets around 110 mega bytes a sec mem through put though

I have a k2-550 @ 600 board will go higher chip won't

repo man11 · 01-17-02, 10:15 PM

I set up a K6-2+ on an old Asus P5T2P4, following reading "Oldie Tuning" on Tom's Hardware last year. For about $80.00(motherboard and CPU) I upgraded my old Cyrix P166+ AT to 500 mhz.(6x83 mhz) It was my first decent computer. For most things it was fine, but once I discovered games, I quickly realized its limitations. But for playing Mp3's, video files and surfing, it was great.

res0r9lm · 01-17-02, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by repo man11
I set up a K6-2+ on an old Asus P5T2P4, following reading "Oldie Tuning" on Tom's Hardware last year. For about $80.00(motherboard and CPU) I upgraded my old Cyrix P166+ AT to 500 mhz.(6x83 mhz) It was my first decent computer. For most things it was fine, but once I discovered games, I quickly realized its limitations. But for playing Mp3's, video files and surfing, it was great.

yea I know what you mean. I'm giving mine to my grandfather

repo man11 · 01-17-02, 10:40 PM

I'm keeping mine as my backup. I'd like to find a deal on a 100 mhz fsb SS-7 board. I'd like to see how fast it could go. I've heard that the + CPU's are good for a little over 600 mhz, and it'd be fun to find out for myself. But it'll have to be cheap.

res0r9lm · 01-17-02, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by repo man11
I'm keeping mine as my backup. I'd like to find a deal on a 100 mhz fsb SS-7 board. I'd like to see how fast it could go. I've heard that the + CPU's are good for a little over 600 mhz, and it'd be fun to find out for myself. But it'll have to be cheap.

I had a hard time getting my 550 to 600. started at 560 couldn't get past so i toke heatsink off my duron and put it on the k2 made up a little more then burned it in using sandra it's amazing if you get an 50 mhz out of these things lol I get 250 mhz extra out duron with pelt. I guess that is going to be my back up.seen on pricewatch that a couple places selling 1300 duron morgan
waiting for the 1400 because my multiplier only goes to 13 and kt 133 you can't go to high with the fsb I suppose I could get t bird 1.4 200 but morgan would be easier to cool

Ridenow · 01-18-02, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkArctic
Welcome to the forums!

Nope. Socket 7's are only for Pentium's (the original) and any compatibles. Like an old Cyrix. Socket A is an Athlon, socket 7 is way before Athlon's time.

This should be in Intel CPU's though.

-DarkArctic

I just realized I have never had a pentium in any of my many socket 7 computers. They have all been AMD or Cyrix. I think I have built about 8 of them, not a single pentium...

res0r9lm · 01-18-02, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ridenow

I just realized I have never had a pentium in any of my many socket 7 computers. They have all been AMD or Cyrix. I think I have built about 8 of them, not a single pentium...

there is socket 7 & super 7

01-17-02, 07:46 PM	#1
cdawg001 New Member Join Date: Jan 2002	Socket 7 Can you use a Socket A CPU in a Socket 7 motherboard? What can you use?

01-17-02, 07:48 PM	#2
DarkArctic Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada	Welcome to the forums! Nope. Socket 7's are only for Pentium's (the original) and any compatibles. Like an old Cyrix. Socket A is an Athlon, socket 7 is way before Athlon's time. This should be in Intel CPU's though. -DarkArctic __________________ "Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen a angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100mph. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say if they had." -Linus Torvalds My Heatware \| Overclockers.com Front Page \| Folding for Team 32 \| You Are Here

01-17-02, 07:49 PM	#3
tbirdkiri Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: nor-cal	no you cant. you can use a socket 7 cpu in a socket 7 board. but a socket a cpu only works in a socket a board. __________________ All you z28s, Gt's and C5s better watch out, because this wagon is gonna pwn you

01-17-02, 08:05 PM	#6
VashTheStampede Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere within 20ft of a gun rack.	Hehe, I still got my Cyrix 686 somewhere around here, with mobo. ~Vash~ __________________ The Setup: MSI 6728 - 1.5GB DDR400 - P4 Northwood 3.2GHz - ATI Radeon 9800 Pro - SB Audigy 2 - Klipsch ProMedia THX 5.1 speakers - IBM "clunker" P70 17" CRT

01-17-02, 08:52 PM	#14
repo man11 Member Join Date: Dec 2001	The best socket 7 CPU's are the K6-2+ and K6-3+.They are much better than the standard K6-2, which has no level 2 cache, and is made with .25 micron architecture, and run very hot. These were made for mobile PC's, and have level 2 cache, .18 micron architecture, and are good overclockers. K6-3+ CPU's are so rare that they are unreasonably priced.I've seen K6-3+'s go for over $110.00 for a 550! The K6-2+ has half the level 2 cache,(128K instead of 256K), but are otherwise identical. They also have the enhanced 3d Now instructions of the Athlon. Tiger Direct has the K6-2+450 for sale for $35.00. If your board can run it, it's the best you could get, and is good for 600+ mhz. Your board has to be able to go as low as 2.0 volts. I've heard of people running them at up to 2.4, but they probably won't live long at that voltage. Do a Google search for a K6-III+,(typed that way) and the first thing to come up will be a page that Jan Steunebrink maintains with BIOS files to allow you to run one of these. If your board is listed, you're in business! __________________ Not really a repo man. Last edited by repo man11; 01-17-02 at 09:17 PM.

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01-17-02, 07:59 PM	#4
jazztrumpet216 Senior @ss Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin	You CAN use Pentiums or any of the AMD K6-series prcessors though.

01-17-02, 08:01 PM	#5
cw823 Funny-guy Senior Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Lima, OH	Pentiums up through the 233 mmx. (speed demon!..lol)....K6's, k6-2's, and k6-3's (dogs).

01-17-02, 08:11 PM	#8
cdawg001 New Member Join Date: Jan 2002	I can use a pentium though right like a P3 or what?

01-17-02, 08:13 PM	#9
jazztrumpet216 Senior @ss Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin	No, only Pentium I's... through 233MHz.

01-17-02, 08:15 PM	#10
cdawg001 New Member Join Date: Jan 2002	Lets break this down. I have a k623dnow cpu so how much higher can i go???

01-17-02, 08:24 PM	#11
jazztrumpet216 Senior @ss Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin	What's the speed on it???? If your system supports 100MHz FSB, you can go up to a 550MHz K6/2 or a 450MHz K6/3.

01-17-02, 08:25 PM	#12
cdawg001 New Member Join Date: Jan 2002	Lets break this down. I have a k623dnow cpu so how much higher can i go???

01-17-02, 08:29 PM	#13
jazztrumpet216 Senior @ss Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin	We can't tell you anything more on your system without more information on it. A "k623dnow" CPU doesn't tell us anything about your motherboard, if it did, we could tell you for sure what it supports. With the information you're giving me, I can only tell you that your system MIGHT support a 550MHz K6/2 or a 450MHz K6/3.

01-17-02, 09:06 PM	#15
adamtekh Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: ft wainright	i have a premo OC ing k6-2 its a 475 k6-2 + , it has survied 3.2 Vcore with stock cooling i was able to run a 133 mhz fsb with it it still works great i just dont have a mobo to use its full potential, cuase the last good super socket7 mobo which is what u want lasted a week @ 3 vcore and 133 fsb they arnt teh greates chips , u could get a 200 mmx and oc it to maybe 300 mhz be about as good as my k6-2 475 the k6-2 would be faster @ bussines apps and such , but the FPU really sucked on the k6 line __________________ MSI K8T NEO2, AMD 3000+ 64bit, gigabyte 6600, 1024 megs pc3200 ddr, 120 gig maxtor SATA, sidewinder case.no O/C for now

01-17-02, 09:27 PM	#16
FRANK Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Pittsburgh Pa	There's more to it than if the CPU physically fits the socket. There are other things that must be considered. The voltages, the last generation of socket 7 CPU's, the K6-2+ and K6III+, require a Vcore of 2.0 where the earlier Pentium were, I believe 3.3, make sure that the board supports this. Another issue you may run into is BIOS compatibility, I know that the FIC boards need an upgrade to a BETA BIOS for the BIOS to properly recognize these processors, and you will still be saddled with the slower FSB and ATA33 IDE, slower memory etc. One other consideration, with the cost of the later socket A platform dropping daily, you can upgrade the motherboard and CPU to a later board and a DURON. This route would provide you with a viable upgrade in the future to as much as 2G, for not much more money than a few upgrades to the aging socket 7 platform. Good Luck! __________________ AMD, eXPperience the difference ---------- ---------- ----------*SETI 24/78**

01-17-02, 09:46 PM	#17
res0r9lm Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: florida	you need a super socket 7 for k2 or k3

01-17-02, 09:48 PM	#18
jazztrumpet216 Senior @ss Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin	No you don't. The pin assignments are the same, everything works OK. The only catch is that some of the older Socket 7 boards don't support a 100MHz FSB, so you have to use the built-in logic circuit for a multipler of 6 and raise the FSB as high as it'll go!

01-17-02, 09:59 PM	#19
adamtekh Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: ft wainright	yes my k6-2 475 is in a crpay old no name mobo , with the highest jumpers being 3.5 x 75 so 266 is highest u think eh ? NO!! the k6-2s with cxt cores wonderfully think that 2x is 6x so 6x75 and #! 450 mhz , but the chip sets r old and ive got 128 megs of pc100 ram in it and it sees 32 gets around 110 mega bytes a sec mem through put though __________________ MSI K8T NEO2, AMD 3000+ 64bit, gigabyte 6600, 1024 megs pc3200 ddr, 120 gig maxtor SATA, sidewinder case.no O/C for now

01-17-02, 10:15 PM	#21
repo man11 Member Join Date: Dec 2001	I set up a K6-2+ on an old Asus P5T2P4, following reading "Oldie Tuning" on Tom's Hardware last year. For about $80.00(motherboard and CPU) I upgraded my old Cyrix P166+ AT to 500 mhz.(6x83 mhz) It was my first decent computer. For most things it was fine, but once I discovered games, I quickly realized its limitations. But for playing Mp3's, video files and surfing, it was great. __________________ Not really a repo man.

01-17-02, 10:40 PM	#23
repo man11 Member Join Date: Dec 2001	I'm keeping mine as my backup. I'd like to find a deal on a 100 mhz fsb SS-7 board. I'd like to see how fast it could go. I've heard that the + CPU's are good for a little over 600 mhz, and it'd be fun to find out for myself. But it'll have to be cheap. __________________ Not really a repo man.