[M0rphin3]

Hello everyone, i have only posted here a few times but i have spent the last 2-3 months on these forums looking around and reading daily, seems to be the best place to get feedback about my w/c setup.

First off, here's the list of products i have chosen.

MCP655-B Pump
MCR-220 Rad
Apogee GTZ
MCRES-Micro Rev 2
XSPC 7/16" ID 5/8" OD UV Orange tubing ( 10' )
5 - Yate Loon High Speed 120mm

For now i will only be cooling the cpu (E7200) @ 4.0ghz, but eventually ill add another 220 rad and 2x MCW60-R VGA blocks for the 2 9600gso's in SLI.

A few questions to start with, i was looking at purchasing the Bitspower compression fittings (7/16" x 5/8") but counting a total of 8 for the current loop them come out pretty price over at Jab-Tech for fittings, was wondering if i could find them at local hardware stores, like lowes? I checked their website but couldn't find the exact size, and the fact that they will be copper/brass.

Another ? , has anyone used this XSPC Red / UV Orange tubing before? i want to go with a Orange theme and couldnt find any orange die/collant, ive seen some system builds around here using "orange" but i had no luck in such.

I will probably think of some more questions before i make my purchase, i have already been waiting for 3 weeks for Jab-Tech to get the Apogee GTZ in stock, as its the heart of the build...

Any comments, suggestions, complaints will be appreciated, thanks in advance

[Conumdrum]

Good start. There are 3 diff makers of colored tubing.

Look at
Petras
Jab Tech
Danger Den
Performance PCs


You won't find ANYTHING like that at Lowes. They won't have G1/4 fittings, a british thread, and standard in the WC world.

Compression fittings are nice, they look good. Barbs are darn just as good with hose clamps. Save some $$. I won't use compressions just because of the cost, and I amd getting ready to have an i7 965 engineering sample chip (way above what you can buy), two GTX 280 and two fully seperate loops with two 320 rads and seperate pumps. Pumps alone were $200+. Big $$, so $$ isn't an issue. I stick with barbs, but you want compressions, no worries, they work great.

Ohh yea welcome to a nice place.

[M0rphin3]

I had a feeling you would be the first one to respond, or Spawn lol, i was just reading another thread you posted a good bit of information, and yes i totally agree about them being overpriced. Jab-Tech is where i found the tubing, honestly i would rather go with tygoon but would really like to have a UV orange coolant/tubing.
I was also considering getting the MCR320 Rad instead of the 220. in the event of adding 2 vga cards to the loop, which i see that having 2x 220 in one loop might hinder performance due to flow rates and the effectiveness of the second rad. Any thoughts?

[Conumdrum]

Well, yea, it's my way, I'm home, with a drink after work. (Vegas time, get off at 730 PM). Used to teach electronics to young AF kids, so helping is in my blood. Getting ya cooled and happy is our goal.

So, look into the tubing links.

The poop on your loop is this. LOL, POOPY LOOP!
This is where long term planning matters.

You see this post? If ya been reading ya did, your still online so let me paste it.

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Here is the poop on wattage vs temps.

A 360 rad can pull 600 watts of heat. Yep. Only with screaming 3000 rpm fans that will cut your finger off.

This is where being able to decipher Martins charts is a good thing. It took me a while for sure, and more than 20 looks over a few months. I just didn't know how important it was till I learned.

The really most important thing is the 'Delta T'. It's the diff between the ambient air temps and what your water temp is under a set wattage and fannage. I won't dig into the chart, but what happens is if your cooling system is weak, your CPU temps suffer because your water temp is high. An AWESOME WC setup gives 5C or lower Delta. Over 10C and your hurting.

I will say a GPU ONLY loop can handle higher delta, we WC GPU's to get rid of the friggin noise most of the time, really cool temps don't help GPU overclocking a lot.

So, pay attention to the charts. You have to keep the Delta T down, and saying it can cool 600 watts is crap. Why? You have to take Delta T into account. You have to.

If I lived in a place where my air temp was 15C I could get by with less rad. If I live in Vegas (I do) and had 27C air temps, I would need bigger rads for sure.

In summary, learn to read Martins and Skinnees reviews of rads carefully, hate to see you but less rad than you need and your an overheated, unhappy watercooler.
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[M0rphin3]

A yes i was just reading that and it may of confused me a little, thats where i got the idea for the 320 rad, so with that said i will venture over to the link and work on getting the delta T, i have mentioned the process and vga cards, which by no means are high-end, and honestly the only reason i want to W/C is because i like to tinker and have "different stuff". Another major factor is OC'ing, i just recently last 2 years starting benching different setups, and i have seen what this setup can do, risking it for 15 mins while benching at its "safe temp" overclocks... Id like to go farther, thus venturing into W/C.
I know a lot of people switch over due to "noise" well i have 3 other computers and a server running in the computer room so noise means nothing to me, thats why i chose the high speed yates.

Which factors make this a "poopy" loop lol..
I just want something to get me started and the ability to expand from there

[Conumdrum]

If ya love to tinker, then I take it all back. Yea, WC is for tinker folks.

You go with the right 320 rad to start you can cool the full setup, yea a 220 to start is good for your CPU, and adding a 220 in series later to add the GPU's would be fine. Once ya add the 220 for the GPU's, you will probably see a bit of increase in CPU temps, but should be within temps.

Your fine with your plan unless you have 28C ambient room temps. Rad should always get room air, not case air. So plan ahead for the second rad for airflow.

[M0rphin3]

Both rads would be mounted externally, maybe sometime today i will draw up a diagram of how i am imagining the layout to be with both rads and vga cards in the loop. So im back to my original thoughts of using 2-220 rads (adding the secound later for the GPU's)