[FudgeNuggets]

Surprised nobody mentioned yet... oh yeah that's right, you all hate Apple. Leave it to me then. Windows 7= full price, actually a price increase. Snow Leopard=$29. Both OSes are pretty much the same thing, refinements to the prior OS, except OSX-SN includes a lot more under the hood than 7 does. I could go into details, but this thread is about price not about features, which OSX-SN has more new ones That being said, I'm not hating on 7, it's what Vista should've been. I just think it's wrong to charge a $200 intro price for it.

[madhatter256]

Well although there was the W7 Best buy price memo leak for upgrades as low as $50.... the actual price for OEM versions have yet to be released as far as I know.

Any links to the price of SL and W7?

[pharoer]

Shouldn't you troll in the Windows subforum instead?

I mean, we could compare your $29 to the big fat $0 we paid for our OS since forever. Not even upgrades but the full OS. Apple doesn't look so good anymore, hm? But don't worry, relax, get a : alcohol gives sweet oblivion...

[benbaked]

Isn't the $29 upgrade price only for existing owners of 10.5 Leopard?

[pharoer]

Originally Posted by benbaked

Isn't the $29 upgrade price only for existing owners of 10.5 Leopard?

Of course. Which is sorta OK since according to Apple you can only get OSX with and for Apple hardware anyways in which case the OS is already included so you ever only need an upgrade version when a new one comes out.

[ihrsetrdr]

Originally Posted by FudgeNuggets

Surprised nobody mentioned yet... oh yeah that's right, you all hate Apple. Leave it to me then. Windows 7= full price, actually a price increase. Snow Leopard=$29. Both OSes are pretty much the same thing, refinements to the prior OS, except OSX-SN includes a lot more under the hood than 7 does. I could go into details, but this thread is about price not about features, which OSX-SN has more new ones That being said, I'm not hating on 7, it's what Vista should've been. I just think it's wrong to charge a $200 intro price for it.

Hate Apple? C'mon Fudge, don't be that way(well maybe one does-see post 3 : p ) I just bought a 13.3" Macbook(refurb) for about what the same size laptops were going for on Newegg; less than some to be precise. It hasn't arrived yet, but I understand that it comes with OS X 10.5, perhaps upgraded to...10.5.something ? I've only used 10.4.11 on my Mini(sold it a while back) so 10.5 plus updates will have features I haven't seen before.
What features does the Snow Leopard offer in addition to plain old Leopard?

Re: Windows 7: not on my horizon, neither was Vista; beta tested both, not impressed, except that I found (as you mentioned) that 7 is what Vista should have been.

[Chris_F]

$29 sounds like a steal, unless you remember that you have to spend $2000 on the computer. >_<

[Tserrof]

i was originally going to buy into the mac platform but after using the windows 7 RC my geek lust for OS X has diminished quite a bit. even if you argue that even windows 7 doesn't make microsoft king of the OS heap i still contest that windows 7 is at least competitive. the case in previous years for me was that i stuck with using windows because of gaming, but now that windows has vastly improved i see less and less reason to switch to a mac, and retaining that gaming compatibility is just icing on the cake.

sure i could dual boot on a mac. but that means i'd have to buy windows 7 separately and spend more money. furthermore i've always hated dual booting after trying it for a few months. playing around with different OS's is one thing, but NEEDING to use two OS's is a very inelegant solution to computing needs. i want ONE operating system that does everything i need and for the foreseeable future windows is the only one that fits the bill.

[imposter]

if that snow leopard license for 29 dollars is only an upgrade, this is not a valid point and a huge logical fallacy, this is the kind of advertisement that makes the whole pc vs mac thing ridiculous stupid. both sides are using logical fallacies to prove points. its an effective strategy , but not technically correct...


and no i dont hate a mac, i have never tried it. so therefore i don't comment on it. one has to use both products before one can make a fair conclusion, and i would have to say a majority of windows users are guility of this.

edit:

Snow Leopard will be available from September and sold $ 29 for Leopard users ($49 in Family Pack version). Others will have to get a Mac Set Box at $169 which includes Snow Leopard, iLife and iWork ($229 for the 5-station version).Finally, as each time the OS changes, those who have bought their Mac between June 8 and December 26, 2009 with Leopard will be able to move to Snow Leopard for $9.95 (i.e. the amount of postage).
Here’s the link to the Snow Leopard page of Apple’s website to learn everything about the new functionalities of what the Cupertino company calls, with all due modesty: "the world’s most advanced operating system ".

[FudgeNuggets]

True imposter, but any machine bought in the last 2-3 years has leopard with it already. Complaining about paying full price for Snow Leopard when you have Tiger or older is like complaining about paying full price for Windows 7 when you have XP or 2000.

While not official, this seems to be the consensus on 7's pricing:
http://windows7center.com/news/windo...etails-leaked/

Here's the Snow Leopard pricing:
http://www.tuaw.com/2009/06/08/apple...th_inpage_tuaw

CHRIS_F, funny, I spent $499 on my mini 3 or so years ago......

Tserrof, not everybody cares about games. You'd think that the way people behave here that their PCs are just $1000 or more gaming systems.



ihrsetrdr, the "you all hate Apple" remark was a joke, but I think you knew that. Humor is lost upon so many people on this board, it is amazing.......


Pharoer: who's trolling? If you don't like the subject matter, post elsewhere and get more stars...... oh, and since this is OS-X related, we post it here and not in Windows forums as pretty much anything NOT Windows is alternative at this point, sadly... hang around a bit longer and you'll learn. And who mentioned Linux? We're talking about commercial OSes for the masses here. Linux, bah! LOL

[I.M.O.G.]

Interesting post... I see the value there.

You can ignore previous costs, because whatever those were they are already sunk costs... So for $30 bucks essentially, you get some handy new features. That's cheap and I've never seen anything like it on Windows (short of free university stuff and other promotional things designed to establish lockin so you'll pay up later)

[Misfit138]

Windows, Mac and GNU/Linux are all improving in their own idiosyncratic ways.

PEBKAC issues are usually what destroy OS's.

I can use any of the 3 and get most computing tasks done, or pick my preferred platform for a given task:
Web/Torrent/Ripping/Music storage: GNU/Linux
Games: Windows
Video Editing: Mac iMovie

Kdenlive for GNU/Linux is slowly getting pretty good, I am happy to note.

[Blackstar]

Originally Posted by Chris_F

$29 sounds like a steal, unless you remember that you have to spend $2000 on the computer. >_<

O.o

I got mine brand new with 10.5 for $599. (Well, technically I only spent $100 bucks on it since I sold my previous one for $500.)

So why I may not totally agree with Fudge's logic, there are plenty of new, fast Mac's that are far less than 2 grand:


Mac Mini

2.0GHz : 120GB - $599.00
2.0GHz : 320GB - $799.00


iMac

20-inch : 2.66GHz - $1,199.00
24-inch : 2.66GHz - $1,499.00
24-inch : 2.93GHz - $1,799.00


MacBook

2.13GHz - $999.00


MacBook Pro

13-inch: 2.26GHz - $1,199.00
13-inch: 2.53GHz - $1,499.00
15-inch: 2.53GHz - $1,699.00


MacBook Air

1.86GHz - $1,499.00
2.13GHz - $1,799.00


In Apple's entire line up, the Mac Pro desktop is the only computer model that starts at a price over $2,000.


- Blackstar

[Captain Newbie]

Originally Posted by Tserrof

i was originally going to buy into the mac platform but after using the windows 7 RC my geek lust for OS X has diminished quite a bit. even if you argue that even windows 7 doesn't make microsoft king of the OS heap i still contest that windows 7 is at least competitive. the case in previous years for me was that i stuck with using windows because of gaming, but now that windows has vastly improved i see less and less reason to switch to a mac, and retaining that gaming compatibility is just icing on the cake.

Hardcore Mac user here...and you have a point, although I will still submit that there is light-years of difference in software quality for the two platforms. (Namely the OS X software is tremendously better.)

sure i could dual boot on a mac. but that means i'd have to buy windows 7 separately and spend more money. furthermore i've always hated dual booting after trying it for a few months. playing around with different OS's is one thing, but NEEDING to use two OS's is a very inelegant solution to computing needs. i want ONE operating system that does everything i need and for the foreseeable future windows is the only one that fits the bill.

It is inelegant, which makes me wonder how long it will take Apple to build in a hypervisor.

[I.M.O.G.]

It is inelegant, which makes me wonder how long it will take Apple to build in a hypervisor.

Best solution I've seen - Virtualbox seamless mode. Runs a virtualmachine seamlessly with your desktop environment. You get the windows taskbar and gnome toolbar right next to eachother, windows apps reside on the taskbar, linux apps reside on the toolbar, windows sit right next to eachother and you can't really tell using it which one is on the virtualmachine and which is native.

dunno how that would work with/on mac, but my point is that it makes dualbooting look even more inelegant.

[FudgeNuggets]

Originally Posted by I.M.O.G.

Best solution I've seen - Virtualbox seamless mode. Runs a virtualmachine seamlessly with your desktop environment. You get the windows taskbar and gnome toolbar right next to eachother, windows apps reside on the taskbar, linux apps reside on the toolbar, windows sit right next to eachother and you can't really tell using it which one is on the virtualmachine and which is native.

dunno how that would work with/on mac, but my point is that it makes dualbooting look even more inelegant.

Parallels has something similar called coherence mode and personally I hate, loathe and despise it. Haven't tried the virtualbox version.

[FudgeNuggets]

Here's a timely article:

http://gizmodo.com/5285452/os-x-snow...inal-countdown

[ihrsetrdr]

Originally Posted by FudgeNuggets

ihrsetrdr, the "you all hate Apple" remark was a joke, but I think you knew that. Humor is lost upon so many people on this board, it is amazing.......

Well, I wasn't sure, I couldn't see your face very well, in order to read the full context of the comment... but yea, I do agree that humor is a foriegn concept here, sometimes.



I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my new refurb Mabook, probably arrive on my birthday, next Tuesday.
When my wife asks "Honey, what would you like for your birthday?" hopefully the UPS truck will just be pulling up to the end of the driveway.

[Chris_F]

Originally Posted by Blackstar

O.o

I got mine brand new with 10.5 for $599. (Well, technically I only spent $100 bucks on it since I sold my previous one for $500.)

So why I may not totally agree with Fudge's logic, there are plenty of new, fast Mac's that are far less than 2 grand:


Mac Mini

2.0GHz : 120GB - $599.00
2.0GHz : 320GB - $799.00


iMac

20-inch : 2.66GHz - $1,199.00
24-inch : 2.66GHz - $1,499.00
24-inch : 2.93GHz - $1,799.00


MacBook

2.13GHz - $999.00


MacBook Pro

13-inch: 2.26GHz - $1,199.00
13-inch: 2.53GHz - $1,499.00
15-inch: 2.53GHz - $1,699.00


MacBook Air

1.86GHz - $1,499.00
2.13GHz - $1,799.00


In Apple's entire line up, the Mac Pro desktop is the only computer model that starts at a price over $2,000.


- Blackstar

Yeah, I realize they have they have some less overpriced hardware, but I was referring to a laptop, and 13" doesn't cut it for. 15.4" is the smallest I could ever use, so that ends up being the MacBook Pro for close to 2 grand.

I ended up getting a 15.4" Lenovo ThinkPad instead with a 1680x1050 screen and better hardware for a lot less.

[Tserrof]

Tserrof, not everybody cares about games. You'd think that the way people behave here that their PCs are just $1000 or more gaming systems.

ah yes certainly true, however my dissatisfactions towards leopard/snow leopard was mainly my contention as to why I disliked the OS X platform. it was not meant to imply that people in general should not buy into the mac.

the caveat of the situation for me is that i REALLY like the hardware and design of the aluminum macbooks. the quality of apple's machines is stellar. originally though we were only debating operating systems and not the hardware hence my not mentioning it.