9600GSO 768 fan speed won't hold @ 100%

Audioaficionado · 09-18-09, 04:34 PM

Ok this isn't the first thread on this subject by me, but it is making it almost impossible to run GPU2 FAH on this card. I have a second card in a sealed box that won't see the light of day in my house unless I can solve this annoying issue.

It's a PNY VCG96GSO7XEB card and it's thwarted all attempts to hold the fan at 100% which is a necessity if I want to run GPU2 FAH on it even at stock speeds. The latest nVidia 190.38 driver won't do it, Win7 won't do it and Rivatuner 1.24c and some other OC apps won't hold the fan speed on a manually set speed. It always reverts to auto even if all the right boxes are checked for 100% low level manual control.

Is this a firmware/bios issue that overrides all software input?
Software alone doesn't seem to be able to wrest control for more than a few seconds. Is there a good flashing utility that I can see what the bios settings are and perhaps change the correct value to unlock the fan speed control I need.

My EVGA 9800GTX+ has no issues holding whatever speed I set it to

I've found that GPU2 WUs will error out much above 70°C while nVidia thinks that 80°+ is just peachy for gaming

thideras · 09-18-09, 04:41 PM

The original 9800GTX had that issue too. If it went below 60c, it reverted back to Auto fan settings. It is an issue with the firmware on the video card and nVidia refuses to fix it.

Wicked_Pixie · 09-18-09, 04:57 PM

I have the same issue with ASUS 9600GSO. The only way I can change the fan setting and OC (RT or Evga Precision won't work regardless of driver) is to use ASUS SmartDoctor.

Does PNY have their own utility that came with the disk?

Audioaficionado · 09-18-09, 04:58 PM

Anyone successfully edit the firmware in the bios with an editor to lock it to minimum clocks and fan speeds?

thideras · 09-18-09, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Audioaficionado

Anyone successfully edit the firmware in the bios with an editor to lock it to minimum clocks and fan speeds?

From my research I did long ago when the 9800GTX first came out, there is no real way to change it unless you fix the bug directly or remove the "auto" feature all together.

AKA: It is much easier for me to put an aftermarket cooler on the card; which I did.

Really sorry I can't be of much help other than the "been there, done that" comments.

Audioaficionado · 09-18-09, 06:49 PM

ASUS SmartDoctor = nada

ChasR · 09-18-09, 06:55 PM

In my experimentation on a number of cards, though admittedly not a 9600 GSO, 85% was the fan sweet spot. Running at 100% made an average of a 2 degree difference while producing a lot more noise. Will it hold something less than 100%. Have you tried the driver level fan settings as opposed to the low level fan settings?

Audioaficionado · 09-18-09, 08:20 PM

It won't hold any value I set in EVGA precision or RivaTuner

I wish I'd spent the bux on one 9800 GTX+ card instead of two GSOs

chuckerants · 09-18-09, 09:11 PM

I couldn't even run it. It said I was missing a DLL file.

I guess I'm in the same boat as you.

88C at load.

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ASUS SmartDoctor = nada

ChasR · 09-18-09, 09:53 PM

I don't have a ASUS 9600 GSO. I do have an EVGA 9600 GSO and BFG 8800 GS (same card other than manufacturer). Neither has had any problem running 85% with driver level direct control. I've never had to mess with the low level control.

HayesK · 09-18-09, 10:33 PM

I have 5xPNY768GSO. Using Rivatuner 2.24C, 190.38, only one is holding fan setting set 85%. Three are clocked 555-1781-798 and two are 555-1838-798. Most of my rigs are caseless, including these PNY cards, allowing me to place extra fans where needed. Four PNY cards are on a P6N Diamond with a 120mm on top blowing down and another 120mm blowing into the video connectors (0=71c/1=76c/2=69c/3=60c). The other card is a single with a 120mm blowing into the stock cooler intake (0=57c). The 4-card setup has completed 493 WU with only 4 failed (3 of the failures are on the hottest GPU). The single card has completed 71 WU with zero failed. The PNY cards are making ~4500ppd on 353/787 pointers and ~3800ppd on 478/1888 pointers.

Edit
I have 5xEVGA768/384GSO which have no issue holding fan settings.

deadlysyn · 09-20-09, 09:12 PM

I don't know if it would help or hurt, but I know it was done with the old 6200 cards. Have you tried flashing the card BIOS to one from another manufacturer? I do know some people had flashed the old 6200's with 6800 BIOS to get them to OC. I don't know if this would damage the card though. Maybe a BIOS from eVGA or BFG for the 9600GSO might do the trick? I wouldn't think it could hurt the card, but I could be wrong.

sneakysnowman · 09-21-09, 04:30 AM

You could edit the bios so that the fan ramps up faster. I've done that with great success on a couple of cards.

chuckerants · 09-21-09, 02:27 PM

After trying for a week or so, I give up on figuring out how I can get my Asus 9600GSO to run any cooler. It runs between 77C ~ 88C when Folding and that's just a little too hot. As soon as I'm able, I'm ordering a Zalman VF900.

PeddlerOfFlesh · 09-21-09, 08:13 PM

None of my nvidia cards will hold fan settings.

Maybe it's Vista or Win7? Or being 64-bit?

ihrsetrdr · 09-21-09, 08:30 PM

I have a pair of 9800GTs, one of which loses it's Direct Control setting when the machine reboots. I have just been manually resetting it(PITA) but am wondering if I should reinstall the drivers and see if that corrects the problem. It's always the same card, the one on Default Monitor. Hmmm, just thinking out loud (can you really do that with a keyboard?) maybe I'll swap them between the PCIE slots...

ChasR · 09-21-09, 09:14 PM

I've got several Win XP multiple GPU rigs with a single monitor attached. One card or the other loses its overclock on reboot. Rarely do they lose the fan setting.

ihrsetrdr · 09-21-09, 11:21 PM

I just thought of something- I'm not sure but I think my dual GPU XP rig doesn't have a dummy plug on ithe second card; I wonder if that matters. I'm at work right now, but I'll check when I get home tonight.

PeddlerOfFlesh · 09-22-09, 09:36 PM

I don't think he's talking about reboots. I can set my fan to 50% and it'll stick for a few seconds, then go back to about 40% on auto. All of mine are connected to monitors. All of mine are Vista+ and 64-bit too. I wonder if XP and / or 32-bit people don't have this problem. Or if there is anybody with Vista that doesn't have it..

ChasR · 09-22-09, 09:58 PM

I only run XP and XP x64 and don't have a fan control problem. Rigs without dummies or monitors on the 2nd card lose their RT overclock on one card or the other on reboot.

09-18-09, 04:34 PM	Thread Starter #1
Audioaficionado Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Medford, Orygun	9600GSO 768 fan speed won't hold @ 100% Ok this isn't the first thread on this subject by me, but it is making it almost impossible to run GPU2 FAH on this card. I have a second card in a sealed box that won't see the light of day in my house unless I can solve this annoying issue. It's a PNY VCG96GSO7XEB card and it's thwarted all attempts to hold the fan at 100% which is a necessity if I want to run GPU2 FAH on it even at stock speeds. The latest nVidia 190.38 driver won't do it, Win7 won't do it and Rivatuner 1.24c and some other OC apps won't hold the fan speed on a manually set speed. It always reverts to auto even if all the right boxes are checked for 100% low level manual control. Is this a firmware/bios issue that overrides all software input? Software alone doesn't seem to be able to wrest control for more than a few seconds. Is there a good flashing utility that I can see what the bios settings are and perhaps change the correct value to unlock the fan speed control I need. My EVGA 9800GTX+ has no issues holding whatever speed I set it to I've found that GPU2 WUs will error out much above 70°C while nVidia thinks that 80°+ is just peachy for gaming __________________ .....................................My Heatware MyFAH Stats .......................Folding is a marathon, not a sprint © audioaficionado Asus Commando, 8GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, Q6600 @3.0GHz >SMP2+GPU3 FAH 24/7 Gigabyte DS3, 3GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, E6400 @3.0GHz Asus P5Q PRO Turbo, 4GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, E6600 @3.0GHz Iwill DH800, 2GB OCZ4002048PFDC-K 2.5-3-3-8-1t, Dual 2.4 M0 Xeons 1.5v/880/3300 Help improve overclockers.com! Get involved! You have over 101 posts and Can't see the classifieds???Click This Link Anyone we catch cookie stuffing at this site will be banned on the spot!!
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thideras Banned Neckbeard Moderator Premium Member #3 Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Dakota	The original 9800GTX had that issue too. If it went below 60c, it reverted back to Auto fan settings. It is an issue with the firmware on the video card and nVidia refuses to fix it. __________________ Desktop: Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H \| 3570k 4.6 GHz \| 32 GB GSkill Ares \| GTX 570 \| 180 GB Intel & 2 TB total \| Arch Linux and Windows 7 Main server: 37 TB raw disk \| 2x Opteron 6134 \| Asus KGPE-D16 \| 48 GB RAM \| LSI 8708EM2 \| CentOS 6.2 VM Server 1: Dell R510 \| 2x E5645 \| 128 GB RAM \| 4x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) VM Server 2: Dell R710 \| 2x E5645 \| 288 GB RAM \| 8x 300 GB Velociraptor \| Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) "That's not overkill, or a lot. That's just thiderastic." -txus.palacios Current projects: Rackmount Overkill (New) \| 30/45 hard drive server Articles: Rack Mounting 101 \| Dell Perc 5/i Throughput Benchmarks Past projects: Software RAID \| The Dragon Case My Website *Want to talk directly to all* the moderators at once? Call the Mod Hotline!**
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09-18-09, 04:57 PM	#3
Wicked_Pixie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA	I have the same issue with ASUS 9600GSO. The only way I can change the fan setting and OC (RT or Evga Precision won't work regardless of driver) is to use ASUS SmartDoctor. Does PNY have their own utility that came with the disk? __________________ Folding in loving memory of Grandpa C. (April 2010) Alzheimer's and Parkinson's “ But we in it shall be remember'd; We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother... " Henry V -Billy Shakespeare Heatware
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09-18-09, 04:58 PM	Thread Starter #4
Audioaficionado Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Medford, Orygun	Anyone successfully edit the firmware in the bios with an editor to lock it to minimum clocks and fan speeds? __________________ .....................................My Heatware MyFAH Stats .......................Folding is a marathon, not a sprint © audioaficionado Asus Commando, 8GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, Q6600 @3.0GHz >SMP2+GPU3 FAH 24/7 Gigabyte DS3, 3GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, E6400 @3.0GHz Asus P5Q PRO Turbo, 4GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, E6600 @3.0GHz Iwill DH800, 2GB OCZ4002048PFDC-K 2.5-3-3-8-1t, Dual 2.4 M0 Xeons 1.5v/880/3300 Help improve overclockers.com! Get involved! You have over 101 posts and Can't see the classifieds???Click This Link Anyone we catch cookie stuffing at this site will be banned on the spot!!
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09-18-09, 06:49 PM	Thread Starter #6
Audioaficionado Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Medford, Orygun	ASUS SmartDoctor = nada __________________ .....................................My Heatware MyFAH Stats .......................Folding is a marathon, not a sprint © audioaficionado Asus Commando, 8GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, Q6600 @3.0GHz >SMP2+GPU3 FAH 24/7 Gigabyte DS3, 3GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, E6400 @3.0GHz Asus P5Q PRO Turbo, 4GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, E6600 @3.0GHz Iwill DH800, 2GB OCZ4002048PFDC-K 2.5-3-3-8-1t, Dual 2.4 M0 Xeons 1.5v/880/3300 Help improve overclockers.com! Get involved! You have over 101 posts and Can't see the classifieds???Click This Link Anyone we catch cookie stuffing at this site will be banned on the spot!!
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09-18-09, 06:55 PM	#7
ChasR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta	In my experimentation on a number of cards, though admittedly not a 9600 GSO, 85% was the fan sweet spot. Running at 100% made an average of a 2 degree difference while producing a lot more noise. Will it hold something less than 100%. Have you tried the driver level fan settings as opposed to the low level fan settings? __________________ All ppd from friends and family. Many thanks to HayesK for his support and congrats on being the #1 Folder on Team 32. Special thanks to ChrisC and ColinC
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09-18-09, 08:20 PM	Thread Starter #8
Audioaficionado Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Medford, Orygun	It won't hold any value I set in EVGA precision or RivaTuner I wish I'd spent the bux on one 9800 GTX+ card instead of two GSOs __________________ .....................................My Heatware MyFAH Stats .......................Folding is a marathon, not a sprint © audioaficionado Asus Commando, 8GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, Q6600 @3.0GHz >SMP2+GPU3 FAH 24/7 Gigabyte DS3, 3GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, E6400 @3.0GHz Asus P5Q PRO Turbo, 4GB GSkill 5-5-5-15-2t PC6400, E6600 @3.0GHz Iwill DH800, 2GB OCZ4002048PFDC-K 2.5-3-3-8-1t, Dual 2.4 M0 Xeons 1.5v/880/3300 Help improve overclockers.com! Get involved! You have over 101 posts and Can't see the classifieds???Click This Link Anyone we catch cookie stuffing at this site will be banned on the spot!!
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09-18-09, 09:53 PM	#10
ChasR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta	I don't have a ASUS 9600 GSO. I do have an EVGA 9600 GSO and BFG 8800 GS (same card other than manufacturer). Neither has had any problem running 85% with driver level direct control. I've never had to mess with the low level control. __________________ All ppd from friends and family. Many thanks to HayesK for his support and congrats on being the #1 Folder on Team 32. Special thanks to ChrisC and ColinC
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09-18-09, 10:33 PM	#11
HayesK Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: folding in LaPorte, TX	I have 5xPNY768GSO. Using Rivatuner 2.24C, 190.38, only one is holding fan setting set 85%. Three are clocked 555-1781-798 and two are 555-1838-798. Most of my rigs are caseless, including these PNY cards, allowing me to place extra fans where needed. Four PNY cards are on a P6N Diamond with a 120mm on top blowing down and another 120mm blowing into the video connectors (0=71c/1=76c/2=69c/3=60c). The other card is a single with a 120mm blowing into the stock cooler intake (0=57c). The 4-card setup has completed 493 WU with only 4 failed (3 of the failures are on the hottest GPU). The single card has completed 71 WU with zero failed. The PNY cards are making ~4500ppd on 353/787 pointers and ~3800ppd on 478/1888 pointers. Edit I have 5xEVGA768/384GSO which have no issue holding fan settings. __________________ <= 7-2600K, 10-i7, 3-C2Q, 10-GPU => folding for OCF T32 as HayesK
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09-20-09, 09:12 PM	#12
deadlysyn Folding Team Content Editor Who Dolk'd my stars Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Stealing your megahurtz at night	I don't know if it would help or hurt, but I know it was done with the old 6200 cards. Have you tried flashing the card BIOS to one from another manufacturer? I do know some people had flashed the old 6200's with 6800 BIOS to get them to OC. I don't know if this would damage the card though. Maybe a BIOS from eVGA or BFG for the 9600GSO might do the trick? I wouldn't think it could hurt the card, but I could be wrong.
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09-21-09, 04:30 AM	#13
sneakysnowman Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Switzerland	You could edit the bios so that the fan ramps up faster. I've done that with great success on a couple of cards.
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09-21-09, 02:27 PM	#14
chuckerants Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Phoenix	After trying for a week or so, I give up on figuring out how I can get my Asus 9600GSO to run any cooler. It runs between 77C ~ 88C when Folding and that's just a little too hot. As soon as I'm able, I'm ordering a Zalman VF900. __________________ i7 920 D0 @ 3.8 @ 1.328v - Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD3R (rev. 1.0) - Prolimatech Megahalems push/pull - OCZ Gold 6GB RAM - HD6870 - Corsair TX750 - Antec 902 - Windows7 x64 Heatware
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09-21-09, 08:13 PM	#15
PeddlerOfFlesh Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northern California	None of my nvidia cards will hold fan settings. Maybe it's Vista or Win7? Or being 64-bit? __________________ Folding 24/7 with: i7-2600k @ 4.7GHz + 9800GT w/ shader @ 1674 + 8800GT w/ shader @ 1674 Q8200 @ 3.16GHz + EVGA 8800GS w/ shader @ 1782 Radeon HD3650 @ stock
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09-21-09, 08:30 PM	#16
ihrsetrdr Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Phelan,Ca.	I have a pair of 9800GTs, one of which loses it's Direct Control setting when the machine reboots. I have just been manually resetting it(PITA) but am wondering if I should reinstall the drivers and see if that corrects the problem. It's always the same card, the one on Default Monitor. Hmmm, just thinking out loud (can you really do that with a keyboard?) maybe I'll swap them between the PCIE slots... __________________ ihrsetrdr aka Tim Be strong when you are weak, brave when you are scared, and humble when you are victorious. - Unknown
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09-21-09, 09:14 PM	#17
ChasR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta	I've got several Win XP multiple GPU rigs with a single monitor attached. One card or the other loses its overclock on reboot. Rarely do they lose the fan setting. __________________ All ppd from friends and family. Many thanks to HayesK for his support and congrats on being the #1 Folder on Team 32. Special thanks to ChrisC and ColinC
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09-21-09, 11:21 PM	#18
ihrsetrdr Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Phelan,Ca.	I just thought of something- I'm not sure but I think my dual GPU XP rig doesn't have a dummy plug on ithe second card; I wonder if that matters. I'm at work right now, but I'll check when I get home tonight. __________________ ihrsetrdr aka Tim Be strong when you are weak, brave when you are scared, and humble when you are victorious. - Unknown
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09-22-09, 09:36 PM	#19
PeddlerOfFlesh Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northern California	I don't think he's talking about reboots. I can set my fan to 50% and it'll stick for a few seconds, then go back to about 40% on auto. All of mine are connected to monitors. All of mine are Vista+ and 64-bit too. I wonder if XP and / or 32-bit people don't have this problem. Or if there is anybody with Vista that doesn't have it.. __________________ Folding 24/7 with: i7-2600k @ 4.7GHz + 9800GT w/ shader @ 1674 + 8800GT w/ shader @ 1674 Q8200 @ 3.16GHz + EVGA 8800GS w/ shader @ 1782 Radeon HD3650 @ stock
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09-22-09, 09:58 PM	#20
ChasR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta	I only run XP and XP x64 and don't have a fan control problem. Rigs without dummies or monitors on the 2nd card lose their RT overclock on one card or the other on reboot. __________________ All ppd from friends and family. Many thanks to HayesK for his support and congrats on being the #1 Folder on Team 32. Special thanks to ChrisC and ColinC
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