Piracy, verizon and other stuff

DarkVirusVx · 12-01-09, 01:42 PM

I wasn't sure where to put this, so if it needs to be moved i understand.

I'll try and make a long story short, I was in a coma and my family had a friend move into my place to help take care of my dogs and pay the bills. While I was home bed ridden verizon flagged me for piracy twice (he downloaded monk and Heroes). I didn't find out for a few months when I set up my computer next to my bed.

I logged on to verizons site and i see a tab on the side bar "Copyrights Violation Notifications" and there I see both notifications. I talk to my friend and he say he will stop. I notice my internet slowing down so I confront him and end up kicking him out.

So I go one with my life and forget about the two "Copyright Violation Notifications", Verizon says in there FAQ "we will not provide your identity to a copyright owner without first receiving a subpoena or other legal process". So I figure no harm no foul.

A few months later my Aunt and mentally challenged cousin fall on hard times and move in. My house has a computer in almost every room, I set down simple rules and check the computers history once a week just to make sure.

Well my cousin unsupervised tried to download some stupid kids movie and I get another notification this time a level 3 "Auto-Dialer Call" in the action taken box and I am a little freaked out on what to do.

I was told sense the internet is in my name I am responsible.

I am just wondering if anyone has gone through this with verizon or another company and if so what happened?

deed · 12-01-09, 02:31 PM

Well..... how is verizon even detecting it? my isp does not look at what you download as its privacy infringement or something like that... Your best bet would be to get a firewall to block this stuff and show your isp you have made the proper changes to rectify the issue.

nd4spdbh2 · 12-01-09, 02:47 PM

where do you log into see this Copyright Violation notification? verizon.net?

petteyg359 · 12-01-09, 02:56 PM

I see three choices, two of which require a smoothwall (or similar) box, between your modem and the rest of your network.

1. Set up a small-ish whitelist of sites that all computers can access (google.com, msn.com, nbc.com, youtube.com, etc.), and require a password to access any site not on the whitelist.

2. Use Blocklist Manager (or similar) to create an IP filter list to put on the smoothwall and block all non-port 80 traffic to those IPs, so that there is less likelihood of your so-called "friends" (would a real friend use your possessions so that you are implicated in illegal activity?) getting your IP tracked.

3. Tell your "friends" they aren't allowed to touch your computers and/or network.

SuperMiguel · 12-01-09, 03:05 PM

how is verizon detecting what you are downloading?? as far as i know to download full movies you will need to use torrents or some kinda of p2p.. but im not aware on how they can detect what you are downloading.

Mr.Guvernment · 12-01-09, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by deed

Well..... how is verizon even detecting it? my isp does not look at what you download as its privacy infringement or something like that... Your best bet would be to get a firewall to block this stuff and show your isp you have made the proper changes to rectify the issue.

Your firewall does nothing, this is your ISP, they can sniff every packet of data it they wanted, encrypted or not.

The way they find out is the companies that are coming after you, simply get your IP from torrent trackers, when you connect to a torrent your IP is shown wide open for anyone to see, they get your IP, find the ISP and report it, then your ISP goes after you.

peerguardian - your friend.

also set up a firewall, untangle, pfsense and block this stuff, also lock down your computer with only guest rights so people cant install anything or get Anti-Executable from Faronics.

DarkVirusVx · 12-01-09, 04:41 PM

I go have firewalls not blocking torrents because you have to shut down everything. I password protected the computers so I am not worried about it happening again just the actions that will be taken and what the "auto-dailer" action is. As in they tried to contact me or they try and contacted the copyright holder? ext

My friend was also using peerguardian this is the isp they know what you are doing lol

here is a pic from the website.

deed · 12-01-09, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Guvernment

Your firewall does nothing, this is your ISP, they can sniff every packet of data it they wanted, encrypted or not.

The way they find out is the companies that are coming after you, simply get your IP from torrent trackers, when you connect to a torrent your IP is shown wide open for anyone to see, they get your IP, find the ISP and report it, then your ISP goes after you.

peerguardian - your friend.

also set up a firewall, untangle, pfsense and block this stuff, also lock down your computer with only guest rights so people cant install anything or get Anti-Executable from Faronics.

Im talking about a firewall to block sites

?

nd4spdbh2 · 12-01-09, 04:59 PM

thats weird.... Provider Fox and NBC. where did he download monk and heros from?

Nebulous · 12-01-09, 05:13 PM

Dude, you're screwed!

Bageland2000 · 12-01-09, 06:18 PM

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Dude, you're screwed!

That's not cool haha I'd like to know more about peer guardian. I wish that the Government would consider the ISPs knowledge of your internet history similar to listening in on calls... I hate big companies being able to monitor your traffic. I am forced to you Comcast ATM and it's nothing but trouble in this department (no I don't pirate). I miss my small WOW ISP

DarkVirusVx · 12-01-09, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deed

Im talking about a firewall to block sites

?

Blocking sites wont block torrents and with upnp you have to block every port and site.

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Originally Posted by nd4spdbh2

thats weird.... Provider Fox and NBC. where did he download monk and heros from?

I know he used piratebay and demonoid

deed · 12-01-09, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkVirusVx

Blocking sites wont block torrents and with upnp you have to block every port and site.

I know he used piratebay and demonoid

Block torrent sites and only give your account permisions to install things like torrent software and bam problem solved lol? Or use a firewall filter that contains tracker links and or downloads. keywords etc thats what my work uses and no one has pirated since

petteyg359 · 12-01-09, 08:09 PM

If you're trying to prevent people from doing things on computers that aren't theirs, a blacklist isn't going to solve anything. There are a thousand variations of Proxify, a million variations of TPB, and a billion variations of other illegal sites. The solution is a whitelist, and blocking all ports other than 80 for non-privileged users. If there aren't any HTTP-based warez sites in your whitelist, they can't use your connection to get you in trouble.

Mr.Guvernment · 12-01-09, 09:08 PM

look into an untangle firewall

you could also block extension like .tor and such, untangle does a good job for blocking most p2p as well as it's web filtering blocks alot as well.

then on top of that you do a block all rule and only allow access out no port 80,53 and such, the more your make it hard for them the better.

then you can log all other firewall access, find out who is doing it, if you own all the computer you then lock them down, uninstall all torrent client, block any exe/msi from being installed and your golden!

FireMogle · 12-01-09, 09:16 PM

I would just close the connections to the 'public' machines. I had a roommate do that under my name, he never used my account again.

Nebulous · 12-02-09, 07:39 AM

Bottom line is if the net service is under your name, your address, then you're responsible. Unless you can do like Mr.Guvernment and FireMogle suggested, there's really not much else you can do aside from shutting down the net service. If your roomie has access to the pc and the net, then whatever he does falls on your shoulders.

Mr.Guvernment · 12-02-09, 09:27 AM

^^ exactly and that is how the law see's it, imagine if the computer gets a virus that downloads kiddie porn to your system, guess what, your taking the fall, not the people using it.

You are responsible for everything that goes through that connection.

walshie · 02-09-10, 10:18 PM

So what ended up happening with a level 3 audio dialer call?

UnseenMenace · 02-10-10, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMiguel

but im not aware on how they can detect what you are downloading.

Its not very hard at all, you are neither safe or anonymous with torrents

12-01-09, 01:42 PM	Thread Starter #1
DarkVirusVx Member Join Date: Jul 2004	Piracy, verizon and other stuff I wasn't sure where to put this, so if it needs to be moved i understand. I'll try and make a long story short, I was in a coma and my family had a friend move into my place to help take care of my dogs and pay the bills. While I was home bed ridden verizon flagged me for piracy twice (he downloaded monk and Heroes). I didn't find out for a few months when I set up my computer next to my bed. I logged on to verizons site and i see a tab on the side bar "Copyrights Violation Notifications" and there I see both notifications. I talk to my friend and he say he will stop. I notice my internet slowing down so I confront him and end up kicking him out. So I go one with my life and forget about the two "Copyright Violation Notifications", Verizon says in there FAQ "we will not provide your identity to a copyright owner without first receiving a subpoena or other legal process". So I figure no harm no foul. A few months later my Aunt and mentally challenged cousin fall on hard times and move in. My house has a computer in almost every room, I set down simple rules and check the computers history once a week just to make sure. Well my cousin unsupervised tried to download some stupid kids movie and I get another notification this time a level 3 "Auto-Dialer Call" in the action taken box and I am a little freaked out on what to do. I was told sense the internet is in my name I am responsible. I am just wondering if anyone has gone through this with verizon or another company and if so what happened?
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12-01-09, 02:31 PM	#2
deed Member Join Date: Sep 2009	Well..... how is verizon even detecting it? my isp does not look at what you download as its privacy infringement or something like that... Your best bet would be to get a firewall to block this stuff and show your isp you have made the proper changes to rectify the issue.
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12-01-09, 02:47 PM	#3
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petteyg359 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: University of Southern Mississippi	I see three choices, two of which require a smoothwall (or similar) box, between your modem and the rest of your network. 1. Set up a small-ish whitelist of sites that all computers can access (google.com, msn.com, nbc.com, youtube.com, etc.), and require a password to access any site not on the whitelist. 2. Use Blocklist Manager (or similar) to create an IP filter list to put on the smoothwall and block all non-port 80 traffic to those IPs, so that there is less likelihood of your so-called "friends" (would a real friend use your possessions so that you are implicated in illegal activity?) getting your IP tracked. 3. Tell your "friends" they aren't allowed to touch your computers and/or network. __________________ MSI 890GXM-G65 - FX 8350 - 16GiB 12800 - 7950 3GiB - 8 Pro x64 / Gentoo amd64 - AX760 Dell XPS 15 L502x - i7 2760QM - 16GiB 12800 - GT 540M 2GiB - 7 Pro x64 / Gentoo amd64 - Agility 4 512GB [GB ≠ GiB] [MB ≠ MiB] [kB ≠ kiB] [1000 ≠ 1024] [Giga ≠ gram] [Mega ≠ milli] [Kelvin ≠ kilo] [Byte ≠ bit] "Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a “dozen,” because some bakers would view a “dozen” as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006
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DarkVirusVx Member Join Date: Jul 2004	I go have firewalls not blocking torrents because you have to shut down everything. I password protected the computers so I am not worried about it happening again just the actions that will be taken and what the "auto-dailer" action is. As in they tried to contact me or they try and contacted the copyright holder? ext My friend was also using peerguardian this is the isp they know what you are doing lol here is a pic from the website.
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12-01-09, 04:59 PM	#9
nd4spdbh2 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Camarillo, CA!	thats weird.... Provider Fox and NBC. where did he download monk and heros from? __________________ #12 in the 4ghz core 2 duo club baby! - 52 inches of CRYSIS! - Black Belt Ubercloxx0r -- Heatware Main -- Lian Li V2000b -- i7 2700k -- MSI Z68A-GD80 -- 12gb 1600 -- GTX560Ti --Adata 128gb S510 & 2x500gb -- Seasonic S12 600w -- Dell 2209WA HTPC -- Silverstone GD05B -- E7200 @ 3.2ghz -- G41-M7 -- 4GB 800mhz -- g210 passive -- 320gb 2.5in WD -- Antec EA 430w -- 52inch Samsung LCD Server -- Antec NSK4480B -- E3300 @ 2.5ghz -- ECS G33T-M2 -- 3gb 667mhz -- Onboard Vid -- 500Gb + 1TB hatachi + 1tb WD -- Zalman 400w Netbook - Dell Mini 9 - Atom 1.6ghz - 8GB ssd - 2GB pc6400 - WIN 7 PRO! Need 4 Speed - BH
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petteyg359 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: University of Southern Mississippi	If you're trying to prevent people from doing things on computers that aren't theirs, a blacklist isn't going to solve anything. There are a thousand variations of Proxify, a million variations of TPB, and a billion variations of other illegal sites. The solution is a whitelist, and blocking all ports other than 80 for non-privileged users. If there aren't any HTTP-based warez sites in your whitelist, they can't use your connection to get you in trouble. __________________ MSI 890GXM-G65 - FX 8350 - 16GiB 12800 - 7950 3GiB - 8 Pro x64 / Gentoo amd64 - AX760 Dell XPS 15 L502x - i7 2760QM - 16GiB 12800 - GT 540M 2GiB - 7 Pro x64 / Gentoo amd64 - Agility 4 512GB [GB ≠ GiB] [MB ≠ MiB] [kB ≠ kiB] [1000 ≠ 1024] [Giga ≠ gram] [Mega ≠ milli] [Kelvin ≠ kilo] [Byte ≠ bit] "Apparently, Plaintiff believes that he could sue an egg company for fraud for labeling a carton of 12 eggs a “dozen,” because some bakers would view a “dozen” as including 13 items." - Western Digital 2006 Last edited by petteyg359; 12-01-09 at 09:15 PM.
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Mr.Guvernment Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Costa Rica - and toronto sometimes	look into an untangle firewall you could also block extension like .tor and such, untangle does a good job for blocking most p2p as well as it's web filtering blocks alot as well. then on top of that you do a block all rule and only allow access out no port 80,53 and such, the more your make it hard for them the better. then you can log all other firewall access, find out who is doing it, if you own all the computer you then lock them down, uninstall all torrent client, block any exe/msi from being installed and your golden! __________________ ¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸© Poor Planning On Your Part Does Not Constitute An Emergency On My Part ©¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸© The trouble with life is there’s no background music ©¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸© Life isnt short, you're just dead for too long©¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸ ADD YOUR STEAM ID TO THE LIST FOR HOURS OF FUN!
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Nebulous Señor Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Empire State	Bottom line is if the net service is under your name, your address, then you're responsible. Unless you can do like Mr.Guvernment and FireMogle suggested, there's really not much else you can do aside from shutting down the net service. If your roomie has access to the pc and the net, then whatever he does falls on your shoulders. __________________ <MEGA-O> Gigabyte Z77X-UD4H / i5 3570K@ 4.5Ghz 16GB GSKILL Sniper F3-17000CL11D-8GBSR XSPC Rasa Black / RX360 / MCP-655 / MCRes OCZ Vertex III SSD 120GB / 2x Seagates 500GB~Raid-0 Diamond 7870PE52GDD Ghz Edition HD 7870+H80 Sony AD-7220S / Lite On LH-16A1S SilverStone Zeus ZM1350 1350w CM Cosmos 1000 / Win7 Pro x64 Samsung LN40A550 40" HD TV ** Under TITLE II, SECTION 210.340 it is legal to overclock **
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12-02-09, 09:27 AM	#18
Mr.Guvernment Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Costa Rica - and toronto sometimes	^^ exactly and that is how the law see's it, imagine if the computer gets a virus that downloads kiddie porn to your system, guess what, your taking the fall, not the people using it. You are responsible for everything that goes through that connection. __________________ ¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸© Poor Planning On Your Part Does Not Constitute An Emergency On My Part ©¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸© The trouble with life is there’s no background music ©¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸© Life isnt short, you're just dead for too long©¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸ ADD YOUR STEAM ID TO THE LIST FOR HOURS OF FUN!
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walshie New Member Join Date: Feb 2010	So what ended up happening with a level 3 audio dialer call?
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