Need a good PCI video card Recommendation.

Angry · 01-31-02, 09:17 PM

Heres the deal,

My freind just got a new computer, but he didnt have much of a choice in getting it cause his mom picked it out.
its an HP 510w here steh spec sheet:

product specifications printable specs

Diskette Drive 3.5" (1.44MB)

Education and Entertainment Microsoft® Encarta® 2001 Encyclopedia Deluxe Online With 1 Year trial subscription

HP Learning Adventures - 1 click access to 15 newly released software titles. Choose one title for free

InterVideo WinDVD™

HP RecordNow

Hard Drive 40GB Ultra DMA Gigabyte(GB) is defined as 1,000,000,000 bytes (accessible capacity may vary)

Internet Solutions AOL (Dial-up, DSL & Satellite), CompuServe® 2000, DirecTV DSL, EarthLink (SM)(Dial-up & DSL), GoAmerica, MSN

Multimedia Drive 48x max. speed CD-ROM

Music Software MusicMatch Jukebox 6.0 with coupon inside the box for 100 free songs from EMusic!

Operating System Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition

Productivity and Finance Adobe® Acrobat® Reader™ 4.0, ArcSoft™ My Photo Center includes: Media Browser 2000, Photo Studio 2000, Photo Fantasy 2000, Photo Printer 2000, Microsoft® Money 2001 Standard, Microsoft® Works 6.0

Available Drive Bays Internal (1) 3.5", External (1) 5.25"

Data/Fax Modem ITU V.90 K56flex modem, data/fax only (33.6Kbps send/download up to 56Kbps/14.4Kbps fax)

Available External Ports 4 USB; 2 serial; 1 parallel; 1 game port

Front Mounted Ports 1 Serial and 2 USB

Available Memory Slots 0 DIMM

Memory 128MB SDRAM (exp. to 512MB) with up to 11MB allocated to video memory

Available Slots 2 PCI

Memory Speed 133MHz

Microprocessor Intel® Celeron™ processor 1.1GHz with MMX Technology

Network Card Integrated 10/100Base-T networking interface

Frontside Bus 100MHz

Keyboard HP Internet Command Center; one-touch Internet keyboard

2-button PS/2 compatible mouse 2-button PS/2 Scrolling mouse

MPEG MPEG2 for full-motion digital video

Primary Cache (L1) 32Kb

Secondary-Level Cache (L2) 256Kb - on CPU

Total Drive Bays External (1) 3.5", (2) 5.25"; Internal (2) 3.5"

Total Expansion Slots 3 PCI

Total External Ports 4 USB; 2 serial; 1 parallel; 1 game port; 2 PS/2

Total Memory Slots 2 DIMM

Video Graphics Integrated Intel® Direct AGP 3D graphics with up to 11MB of dynamic video memory

Video Memory Up to 11MB of dynamic video memory

As you can tell it has one crappy built in video...

So whats up for grabs in a PCI video card?

No Geforce 2 MX....not even the 400....
Anything else will be fine...

Yakbak · 01-31-02, 09:41 PM

If you don't mind looking for WinXP drivers, go buy the 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 PCI. Excellent card, very good graphics quality, good for gaming and normal usage, but hard to find drivers and manufacturer support (since 3Dfx died).

Element-Xero · 01-31-02, 09:49 PM

I had the Voodoo 5 5500 PCI back when I had no money for a decent rig (no agp slot). It was barely better than the integrated AGP. I hated it, I'm sorry but you will almost never get decent performance out of a PCI-based card. Unreal Tournament ran okay, but that was about it. Q3A ran, but all cutscenes and movies were choppy.

The Voodoo 5 5500 AGP is a great card, the 5500 PCI, however, is severely handicapped by the bus speed.

I guess if your friend absolutly needs a gfx upgrade and he can't buy a new mobo, then go with the V5 5500 PCI, because it is still the best choice. Personally I would use the GFX card money to buy a new mobo with an AGP slot and save for a little longer and grab some flavor of GF2 MX. That is the way to go as far as I am concerned. Find some 60-70 dollar mobo with agp, and grab a 50 dollar MX400. There, decent performance for under 120 bucks, which is about the price of a 5500 (i think)

Yodums · 01-31-02, 10:33 PM

You really are positive your friend cant get a new motherboard? He can't shoot out 100 dollars for a future compliant mobo like a 0.13 micron processor support board and a cheap AGP Card ie; Radeon 32 DDR.

PCI aren't good AT ALL.

Well if you had to pick one Voodoo 5 is ok I guess none are "good" the best they can go is ok where even in Microsoft Word your 2d words will be all fuzzy etc really sucks.

Yodums

Element-Xero · 01-31-02, 10:55 PM

lol, Yodums I seem to beat you to every post

1Time · 02-01-02, 12:18 AM

I've got a hardly used Radeon 32meg PCI card that's good. I'll be posting it for sell real cheap as soon as I get 100 posts.

Angry · 02-01-02, 04:19 PM

no, he cant get a new motherboard as he just got the computer, and i seriously doubt any normal motherboard will fit in the case he has...

01-31-02, 09:17 PM	Thread Starter #1
Angry Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bluefield, WV	Need a good PCI video card Recommendation. Heres the deal, My freind just got a new computer, but he didnt have much of a choice in getting it cause his mom picked it out. its an HP 510w here steh spec sheet: product specifications printable specs Diskette Drive 3.5" (1.44MB) Education and Entertainment Microsoft® Encarta® 2001 Encyclopedia Deluxe Online With 1 Year trial subscription HP Learning Adventures - 1 click access to 15 newly released software titles. Choose one title for free InterVideo WinDVD™ HP RecordNow Hard Drive 40GB Ultra DMA Gigabyte(GB) is defined as 1,000,000,000 bytes (accessible capacity may vary) Internet Solutions AOL (Dial-up, DSL & Satellite), CompuServe® 2000, DirecTV DSL, EarthLink (SM)(Dial-up & DSL), GoAmerica, MSN Multimedia Drive 48x max. speed CD-ROM Music Software MusicMatch Jukebox 6.0 with coupon inside the box for 100 free songs from EMusic! Operating System Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition Productivity and Finance Adobe® Acrobat® Reader™ 4.0, ArcSoft™ My Photo Center includes: Media Browser 2000, Photo Studio 2000, Photo Fantasy 2000, Photo Printer 2000, Microsoft® Money 2001 Standard, Microsoft® Works 6.0 Available Drive Bays Internal (1) 3.5", External (1) 5.25" Data/Fax Modem ITU V.90 K56flex modem, data/fax only (33.6Kbps send/download up to 56Kbps/14.4Kbps fax) Available External Ports 4 USB; 2 serial; 1 parallel; 1 game port Front Mounted Ports 1 Serial and 2 USB Available Memory Slots 0 DIMM Memory 128MB SDRAM (exp. to 512MB) with up to 11MB allocated to video memory Available Slots 2 PCI Memory Speed 133MHz Microprocessor Intel® Celeron™ processor 1.1GHz with MMX Technology Network Card Integrated 10/100Base-T networking interface Frontside Bus 100MHz Keyboard HP Internet Command Center; one-touch Internet keyboard 2-button PS/2 compatible mouse 2-button PS/2 Scrolling mouse MPEG MPEG2 for full-motion digital video Primary Cache (L1) 32Kb Secondary-Level Cache (L2) 256Kb - on CPU Total Drive Bays External (1) 3.5", (2) 5.25"; Internal (2) 3.5" Total Expansion Slots 3 PCI Total External Ports 4 USB; 2 serial; 1 parallel; 1 game port; 2 PS/2 Total Memory Slots 2 DIMM Video Graphics Integrated Intel® Direct AGP 3D graphics with up to 11MB of dynamic video memory Video Memory Up to 11MB of dynamic video memory As you can tell it has one crappy built in video... So whats up for grabs in a PCI video card? No Geforce 2 MX....not even the 400.... Anything else will be fine... __________________ Main Rig.......................Game Server.........................Media Server..............Untangle Core i3 2100 ....... ........Phenom II X4 965...................Athlon II X4 620....... Athlon X2 2350-BE 2.1ghz MSI P67A-GD65 ..............Asus M4A79XTD........................GA-890GX.................MSI 785GTM-45 G.Skill 1333 4x2gb............16gb Partriot S5 DDR3 1333.......4gb DDR3 1600...........4gb OCZ DDR2 1066 EVGA GTX 670 FTW SLI........2x EVGA GTX 550Ti.........................Onboard 890gx 60gb OCZ Summit.................4x250gb WD RE Raid0 ViewSonic VX2453mh-LED
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01-31-02, 09:41 PM	#2
Yakbak Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ottawa, Canada	If you don't mind looking for WinXP drivers, go buy the 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 PCI. Excellent card, very good graphics quality, good for gaming and normal usage, but hard to find drivers and manufacturer support (since 3Dfx died). __________________ Heatware
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01-31-02, 09:49 PM	#3
Element-Xero Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Nothingness is Everything.	I had the Voodoo 5 5500 PCI back when I had no money for a decent rig (no agp slot). It was barely better than the integrated AGP. I hated it, I'm sorry but you will almost never get decent performance out of a PCI-based card. Unreal Tournament ran okay, but that was about it. Q3A ran, but all cutscenes and movies were choppy. The Voodoo 5 5500 AGP is a great card, the 5500 PCI, however, is severely handicapped by the bus speed. I guess if your friend absolutly needs a gfx upgrade and he can't buy a new mobo, then go with the V5 5500 PCI, because it is still the best choice. Personally I would use the GFX card money to buy a new mobo with an AGP slot and save for a little longer and grab some flavor of GF2 MX. That is the way to go as far as I am concerned. Find some 60-70 dollar mobo with agp, and grab a 50 dollar MX400. There, decent performance for under 120 bucks, which is about the price of a 5500 (i think)
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01-31-02, 10:33 PM	#4
Yodums Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ottawa, Canada	You really are positive your friend cant get a new motherboard? He can't shoot out 100 dollars for a future compliant mobo like a 0.13 micron processor support board and a cheap AGP Card ie; Radeon 32 DDR. PCI aren't good AT ALL. Well if you had to pick one Voodoo 5 is ok I guess none are "good" the best they can go is ok where even in Microsoft Word your 2d words will be all fuzzy etc really sucks. Yodums __________________ Peter Gibbons: Let me ask you something. When you come in on Monday, and you're not feelin' real well, does anyone ever say to you, 'Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays'? Lawrence: No. No, man. ****, no, man. I believe you'd get your ass kicked sayin' something like that, man.
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01-31-02, 10:55 PM	#5
Element-Xero Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Nothingness is Everything.	lol, Yodums I seem to beat you to every post
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02-01-02, 12:18 AM	#6
1Time Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada	I've got a hardly used Radeon 32meg PCI card that's good. I'll be posting it for sell real cheap as soon as I get 100 posts. __________________ 2.6 GHz Pentium 4 > Win XP Pro > 3GB PC3200 > Work and Play Rig It is impossible to rightly govern these forums when there are rulebreakers. Religion is not allowed here. Thank you. --JoT "breakin' the law - breakin' the law"
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02-01-02, 04:19 PM	Thread Starter #7
Angry Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bluefield, WV	no, he cant get a new motherboard as he just got the computer, and i seriously doubt any normal motherboard will fit in the case he has... __________________ Main Rig.......................Game Server.........................Media Server..............Untangle Core i3 2100 ....... ........Phenom II X4 965...................Athlon II X4 620....... Athlon X2 2350-BE 2.1ghz MSI P67A-GD65 ..............Asus M4A79XTD........................GA-890GX.................MSI 785GTM-45 G.Skill 1333 4x2gb............16gb Partriot S5 DDR3 1333.......4gb DDR3 1600...........4gb OCZ DDR2 1066 EVGA GTX 670 FTW SLI........2x EVGA GTX 550Ti.........................Onboard 890gx 60gb OCZ Summit.................4x250gb WD RE Raid0 ViewSonic VX2453mh-LED
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