[O/C]Intel to Restrict Overclocking on Sandy Bridge

Overclockers.com · 07-22-10, 01:17 PM

Intel to Restrict Overclocking on Sandy Bridge
by mdcomp

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After all the overclocking triumphs with the Core line of processors, it is hard to believe that the latest Sandy Bridge CPUs from Intel will be more difficult to overclock. Bit-Tech.net is reporting that Intel has “designed the CPUs to deliberately limit overclocking” according to slides prepared by Intel...

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xoke · 07-23-10, 09:52 PM

Hmmmm, this will really surprise me if it goes down like this. You take overclocking out of the power users hands, well, AMD is about to gain some new fans.

Randyman... · 07-23-10, 10:01 PM

We are such a small percentage of the overall market that it really wouldn't hurt Intel's bottom line - BUT - we are also the ones that recommend parts to numerous potential buyers based on our own perceptions. AMD will welcome any gains in the "Enthusiast" market with open arms

I doubt Intel will be as restrictive as rumored - and we'll still have the K series with higher but not outrageous pricing for our OC'ing enjoyment. However - locking the DMI/QPI will indeed hamper some of the benefits of overclocking (at least in my uses for low-latency audio production). I seriously doubt Intel wants to hand over the reigns to AMD for the Price-vs-Performance Overclocking Crown...

thideras · 07-23-10, 10:03 PM

Well, depending on that, I may just go AMD then.

That is, unless Intel is insanely fast at stock. That really hurt saying that word.

xoke · 07-23-10, 10:04 PM

Agreed...it seems like I have heard this story before..."Intel stops overclocking" but it never comes to pass.

I'm just saying, if they did...and there was no easy way around it...I bet half this forum would jump ship to AMD.

Mr.Guvernment · 07-23-10, 10:24 PM

they claimed the same thing on the i7 series, Nahlem, didn't happen, they have said this a few times, never happened.

But even then, sure we recommend things, but dell , HP and other OEMs still count for i would say %90 of their sales so it still wouldn't make a dent if they did it, sure people would run to AMD, but most people look at a computer on dell, look at the price and hit buy.

DumpALump · 07-23-10, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Guvernment

they claimed the same thing on the i7 series, Nahlem, didn't happen, they have said this a few times, never happened.

But even then, sure we recommend things, but dell , HP and other OEMs still count for i would say %90 of their sales so it still wouldn't make a dent if they did it, sure people would run to AMD, but most people look at a computer on dell, look at the price and hit buy.

Exactly, though I don't see how overclocking would hurt them if most of their sales are through the channels where people aren't overclocking. The enthusiasts would just go to AMD, which would be worse off for them. This could very well be just a way to entice investors by saying some individuals will now pay more for the same performance rather than buying a cheaper processor. Lots of companies like to fluff their stocks at certain points.

Archer0915 · 07-23-10, 10:37 PM

This sucks

I just got hold of 2 1156 boardz

Bobnova · 07-24-10, 12:20 AM

They (intel AND amd) already tried, hard, once. All cpus used to have an unlocked multi.

Archer0915 · 07-24-10, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobnova

They (intel AND amd) already tried, hard, once. All cpus used to have an unlocked multi.

I guess that was when you did the OC with a jumper for the multi and the Bus

Randyman... · 07-24-10, 01:45 AM

200MHz to 233MHz Core Speed by swapping a jumper. Oh the good old days

CompuTamer · 07-24-10, 04:21 AM

Eh, not a good plan. I'll jump ship to AMD in my next build without thinking twice if they do this. I don't see this working out very well... true, mostly OEMs make up Intel's profit base, but if we all jump to AMD, and everyone starts to think AMD is better cause the nerds use em, than OEMs will jump ship to AMD too. Sure, it'd take a bit of time, but it's not horribly outlandish. AMD had a reign before, and it wasn't magic that caused it. (Okay, maybe a little..)

Coreyoliseffect · 07-24-10, 08:11 AM

Maybe I am not understanding this but why would they release chips that can not be overclocked?

As was stated above the OC world really isn't that big of a market. From what I would guess the base profit for Intel would be corporate deals. Which to my knowledge don't OC... Is OCing something that Intel really needs to limit?

Not to mention, think of all of the people in the OC Forums community with nothing to do. We would have to leave the house! AHHHHHHH

Archer0915 · 07-24-10, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Coreyoliseffect

Maybe I am not understanding this but why would they release chips that can not be overclocked?

As was stated above the OC world really isn't that big of a market. From what I would guess the base profit for Intel would be corporate deals. Which to my knowledge don't OC... Is OCing something that Intel really needs to limit?

Not to mention, think of all of the people in the OC Forums community with nothing to do. We would have to leave the house! AHHHHHHH

We would dig up the old Gygax games and start modding the rules like the old days of the C64 and 2-386

We would go back to DOS and start rewriting the way memory is accessed so that we could have more than 640K (I had my MS-DOS rewritten to have 720k free, Win3 did not like it but the Duke did).

We would Go back to Basic and start writing our own dice programs for AD&D and AD&D 2E because we were cool back then.

DumpALump · 07-24-10, 06:38 PM

There was an issue at some point where some businesses were buying cheaper chips, overclocking, then selling them at the faster speed. Don't really believe that is going on now.

My current ideas
1) Analysts already figured out that they would have a net profit increase even with some switching to AMD. People would be forced to buy more expensive CPU if they wanted more performance. With the branding that Intel has over AMD, they would lose some, but keep the majority.
2) Making certain statements help to increase their market value. Great for the company to buy and sell stocks at the right time.
3) Appease vendors as the benefit to building your own computer will have decreased. (Prebuilt computers tend to not have the options of overclocking much if at all.)
4) Decrease costs of support, now that you would not be able to overclock, the settings would all be set to specific ranges depending on your chip. This would limit peoples ability to mess up their settings and have it set them correctly. There would be less calls to Intel and/or less RMA'd chips.

Mr.Guvernment · 07-25-10, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CompuTamer

Eh, not a good plan. I'll jump ship to AMD in my next build without thinking twice if they do this. I don't see this working out very well... true, mostly OEMs make up Intel's profit base, but if we all jump to AMD, and everyone starts to think AMD is better cause the nerds use em, than OEMs will jump ship to AMD too. Sure, it'd take a bit of time, but it's not horribly outlandish. AMD had a reign before, and it wasn't magic that caused it. (Okay, maybe a little..)

OEM's wont jump cause we do, they know better, they will go with who ever can offer cheap bulk prices which will be Intel, sorry, but enthusiasts jumping to AMD will NOT change anything for Intel or OEM's, we are not that powerful a force.

Sure, AMD had a better CPU back in the day for a while, but OEM's still sold Intel and Intel out sold AMD all over the charts up and down in every market, so that is proof we don't have the power some seem to think we do, otherwise AMD would be a lot higher than they are now from that era.

AMD needs to hire a new marketing department, get the same company coca cola uses and watch AMD sales skyrocket.

pwnmachine · 07-26-10, 03:09 AM

It is really unfortunate since mostly ENTHUSIASTS buy these chips, which for the most part LIKE TO OVERCLOCK. It seems like a backwards step for intel, seems like AMD will once again assume the position of power in hardware overclocking.

pwnmachine · 07-26-10, 03:12 AM

This is really sad to see since most pc enthusiasts base their purchases on OVERCLOCK-ABILITY, I still find it hard to see what intel is trying to do, honestly if they are trying to tap into the uninformed pc user-base they are chasing a ghost.

bda1967 · 07-26-10, 04:31 AM

I would switch to AMD for my primary rig without a doubt. Provided they wouldn't do the same thing on their next release.

MIAHALLEN · 07-26-10, 05:12 AM

Food for thought:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=204868

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A friend of mine who is working in industry has learned that Intel will be preventing Lynnfield overclocking capabilities. First of all Intel will remove 4 pins from LGA1160 socket and it will be called LGA1156.

Second Lynnfield will only support BCLK (Base clock) 100 and 133 MHz, and no external clock signal fun like with X58 chipset. He is afraid Lynnfield won't be good for overclocking...

I think mobo manufacturers will find clever ways around these issues, and overclocking will carry on

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pwnmachine Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada	This is really sad to see since most pc enthusiasts base their purchases on OVERCLOCK-ABILITY, I still find it hard to see what intel is trying to do, honestly if they are trying to tap into the uninformed pc user-base they are chasing a ghost. __________________ i5 2500k @ 4.8 gHz. 1.3v..................Q9650 @ 4.0 gHz. Kingston Hyper 1600mHz 4gb..........XMS3 1600mHz 4gb Asus P8P67 Pro B3...........................790i Ultra FTW XFX 5970 BE + XFX 5850..................GTX 260 2xSLI CM Hyper 212/Thermalright HR-03...Scythe Mugen II CM Cosmos S Modified......................NZXT H2 Custom Maple Gaming Case
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