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Dumb question - why not just use the biggest TEC you can find?

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Old 07-23-10, 06:58 AM Thread Starter   #1
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Dumb question - why not just use the biggest TEC you can find?


If overshooting your TEC's wattage capacity is such a big problem, why not just choose a really big TEC, with plenty of headroom. To avoid getting too cold, can't we just use a simple voltage step-down circuit to adjust to a lower hot/cold side delta if our CPU's heat output is lower than the TEC's capacity?

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Old 07-23-10, 02:34 PM   #2
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Because at some point you still have to cool all the heat of the processor and the TEC itself, while meeting clearance around the CPU socket and making a comfortable and usable mounting system.

A 62mm TEC comes almost to the point of being unmountable.
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Old 07-24-10, 06:08 AM Thread Starter   #3
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Because at some point you still have to cool all the heat of the processor and the TEC itself, while meeting clearance around the CPU socket and making a comfortable and usable mounting system.

A 62mm TEC comes almost to the point of being unmountable.
By "bigger" I mean higher capacity. Does a higher capacity TEC have to be physically bigger?

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Old 07-24-10, 09:06 AM   #4
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Generally, yes.
The difficulty is that it either has to be bigger or higher voltage, and finding a 400w 24v power supply is difficult and expensive.

The largest 15v i've seen is 50mm x 50mm and 400w@15v, about 260w at 12v.

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Old 08-16-10, 10:53 PM   #5
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biggest I've seen is here on my desk, 62x62 480w @ 15 or 16v (don't recall, i have it written down somewhere) but if found out its impossible to aircool, you *need* water.

however, I've come to realise that even this tec is pretty useless, if you put it on anything "bigger" than a midrange card, the coldside is not gonna be much colder then straight watercooling, for example, my watercooled gpu (hd4870) gets about 40-45 degrees C load temp @ furmark, thats 200w into watercooling. putting the TEC inbetween, you'd need a much bigger, and very good waterblock, to take out almost 700w of heat, and it would get a theoretical 15-20 degree delta between hot and cold, however, I doubt that a waterblock can be made to absorb 700w at the same plate temp as my current waterblock at 200w, and whats the point of having the card run at 20-40 *C over having it run at 40-45 with regular watercooling?
so, adding a pelt to a hd4870 would be useless, and adding it to a slower card, it would be useless in the sense that its useless to slap hundreds of dollars to a cheapo card to make it run somewhat faster, while you can get a much faster card for much less then the total spent..

so... get a phase change unit for the same amount it would cost to pelt and watercool something, it works much better
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