Is something wrong with my GTX460?

Wega! · 11-17-10, 02:45 AM

My PPD dropped with about 10K PPD on this new WU, but I'm not sure if thats normal or my vidcard ist running right due to high overclock. I could play Civ5 for 4 hours without problems, and overall the system is running fine. It's just fah thats not acting as normal.

So is it just this WU that's killing my PPD, or do you think my OC isnt stable?

DarkWarrior · 11-17-10, 03:32 AM

It's not just you i also have got a big hit in ppd , it's these p6800 they give more credits but takes longer to finish!...
My GTX460 is at 850mhz core it normally give 15k but now it's down to 5k.

torin3 · 11-17-10, 04:24 AM

I'm getting about 11.5K ppd on them. I also had to bump my voltage to keep the 920 overclock on the core from EUEing.

They also take less of a hit on the SMP folding with multiple cards.

I'm getting 19K ppd on a P2686 with a 3.3Ghz overclock.

Wega! · 11-17-10, 04:51 AM

DarkWarrior: Ok, well it seams like It's not my oc then....

Torin3: Is that the exact same Wu as the one my highlighted GTX460 is running? Or is it one like my Evga 460 is working on? There seams to be a big difference in these 6800 WU's, unless something is wrong with both DarkWarrior and my GTX460...

dfonda · 11-17-10, 07:19 AM

Somethings wrong...your getting half what your other gpu is getting on the same wu.

I am getting 11k on that one.

What happens if you pause the gpu that's running well and or pause your smp if your running one.
Or is that 460 a by itself?

Edit: oh never mind I see now that it is a different Wu and I may not have gotten one yet. Or have gotten them when I was away. My bad!(my bad eyes and little phone screen)

Sheesh I was about to replace my old gpu's with 2 more 460's but not if this is the future.

mxthunder · 11-17-10, 08:33 AM

As of monday, I have been getting the 'original' kind of WU's that I am used to, a more normal ppd, hotter GPU, etc. For the last couple weeks I was getting the 10k series that shot my ppd through the roof, and my gpus would run 10-20c lower than normal.

Wega! · 11-17-10, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mxthunder

As of monday, I have been getting the 'original' kind of WU's that I am used to, a more normal ppd, hotter GPU, etc. For the last couple weeks I was getting the 10k series that shot my ppd through the roof, and my gpus would run 10-20c lower than normal.

Yeah my aircooled 460 is also running about 10C warmer than normal on these monsters. No temp dif on the watercooled one though

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Originally Posted by dfonda

Sheesh I was about to replace my old gpu's with 2 more 460's but not if this is the future.

Yeah I really hope they change the points for these WU's, otherwise I dont think it's worth running on the 460's anymore, and then I wont be folding anything at all.
Two days ago I was pulling 30K+ PPD of those cards, and now thats been reduced to 10K

dfonda · 11-17-10, 03:01 PM

I am still searching my logs for one that had tpf's that slow...No luck so far.

Torin you have that exact WU and you did 11k with good tpf? If that's so, it can't be the Wu's.

I'll keep a sharp eye out for that particular one.

Wega what happens when you get the other 6800's? Are they all that slow.

torin3 · 11-17-10, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wega!

Torin3: Is that the exact same Wu as the one my highlighted GTX460 is running? Or is it one like my Evga 460 is working on? There seams to be a big difference in these 6800 WU's, unless something is wrong with both DarkWarrior and my GTX460...

Well, I don't have the exact same WU listed in my dropdowns in HFM, so I can't say for sure. But my benchmark viewer says that all my 1298 point P6800 WUs have been running through at about 11-11.5K ppd at 920 core on my 460s. My -bigadv is running at about 19K ppd for a P2686, which is within 500ppd of normal for me at this overclock.

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Originally Posted by dfonda

I am still searching my logs for one that had tpf's that slow...No luck so far.

Torin you have that exact WU and you did 11k with good tpf? If that's so, it can't be the Wu's.

I'll keep a sharp eye out for that particular one.

Wega what happens when you get the other 6800's? Are they all that slow.

I didn't see the exact Run, Clone, Gen numbers, I couldn't say for sure, but I will say I didn't see any frames below upper 10Ks.

Wega! · 11-17-10, 05:28 PM

dfonda: In the pic I posted you can see my other GTX460Evga running a "normal" 6800 WU, doing about 10.5K PPD. So they are slow, but not that slow.

torin3: Yeah I'm also getting around 10.5K PPD on the other 6800WU's, but these just seams to kill my production

dfonda · 11-17-10, 06:43 PM

I almost want to get one now..just to see if it's the same one you have. Wega are you getting these often?

Wega! · 11-17-10, 06:48 PM

Well i will gladly give you mine

I think the last 5 on that card has been that kind.

I also just tried to run that one client alone, to make sure that none of the other clients was interfering, but no change. I also just set my personal record in 3D Mark06 on the card, so it's not because it running slower than usual...

torin3 · 11-17-10, 06:58 PM

Just thinking here...

I'd double check the client.cfg for that client and see what the priority is set for.

Actually, I'd go ahead and change the -gpu 0 / -gpu 1 in the shortcuts to see if it is the client or the hardware.

Swap them and if the other card slows down, you'll know it is something client/WU related. If the same card is slow, then you'll know it is something video card related.

spitter3 · 11-17-10, 07:29 PM

Reboot your box, both my gts 450s have dropped into 2d mode while folding the 6800s, at lease once. I added a few more mvs to make sure they don't.

DarkWarrior · 11-18-10, 03:57 AM

Thank spitter3 , that work like at charm, i just needed a restart.
Now i'm at 11,5k again with a r6800 wu, and a tpf of 1.38.

+1 to spitter3

dfonda · 11-18-10, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by spitter3

Reboot your box, both my gts 450s have dropped into 2d mode while folding the 6800s, at lease once. I added a few more mvs to make sure they don't.

Great solution Spitt, I have recent updates lately and the restarts may may have kept this from happening.

Would be the Gpu then and not the WU.

ChasR · 11-18-10, 06:39 AM

The odds of one gpu getting 5 slow WUs while the other gets 10 fast ones are pretty slim. It is good to know that the 460 doew the same thing the 260 does, drop to 2d in power saving mode or for some reason. I had to force my 260s into 3d mode with Riva Tuner.

Wega! · 11-18-10, 11:19 AM

And the reboot helped

But not for long... What do I need to change to keep the vidcard from going into 2D mode? (Didn't even knew they could do that)...

ChasR · 11-18-10, 05:47 PM

First try opening the nVidia control panel/Manage 3D settings/global settings/power management mode and change it from adaptive to prefer maximum performance. That might do it. If it doesn't, someone else might want to chime in. I'm not sure Riva Tuner works with the 460 and I can't test that until tomorrow. I don't know it MSI afterburner can force 3d mode, and I haven't found it in EVGA precision. If someone knows RT works, I do know how to force 3d and will post it up if applicable.

Wega! · 11-18-10, 06:08 PM

Well something was wrong with my card after all... Or with my OC that is.

Earlier I did try to turn down my OC, to make sure that wasnt the problem. I just diddnt reboot after turning down the OC, and then the f@h GPU core was still all messed up, even though I shut it down and started up again. So the problem was still there because i diddnt reboot before starting f@h up again.

Anyway, I upped the voltage on my card it has been running without a glitch @960Mhz for two hours now making about 12.5K PPD on the 6800 WU's. I havent tried to push the the card more yet, I want to be sure that this actually was my problem.
But tomorrow I'll see how far I can push this card, might even edit the bios to get more voltage. Temps are at 38C full load now, so there should be room for some more volt

Sorry for the trouble all, and thanks for helping me out

11-17-10, 02:45 AM	Thread Starter #1
Wega! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark!	Is something wrong with my GTX460? My PPD dropped with about 10K PPD on this new WU, but I'm not sure if thats normal or my vidcard ist running right due to high overclock. I could play Civ5 for 4 hours without problems, and overall the system is running fine. It's just fah thats not acting as normal. So is it just this WU that's killing my PPD, or do you think my OC isnt stable? __________________ You say Lady Gaga, I say Dash Berlin You say Hannah Montana, I say Orjan Nilsen You say Owl City, I say Above & Beyond You say Justin Bieber, I say Armin Van Buuren You say Taylor Swift, I say Dj Tiësto In Trance we trust! Benching mayhem: Asus Rampage Extreme, Gigabyte Ep45 UD3P, QX9650, Q9550, E6300, 4x Cedar Mill's, Corsair Dominators 2000Mhz 8-9-8-24, Crucial Ballistix DDR2, Asus GTX480, XFX GTX260, Inno 8800GTX, Zotac 8800GT, Piotres CPU pot, EK Supreme HF, MCW60 Mo-Ra 3 Pro, Ek DC 4.0 and a Corsair TX750 Daily driver: Asus P5Q Pro, Q8400, OCZ PC8000, GTX460, Enzotech Sapphire, EK GTX460 full block, XSPC res/pump and a HWLabs GTX480.
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11-17-10, 03:32 AM	#2
DarkWarrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Denmark	It's not just you i also have got a big hit in ppd , it's these p6800 they give more credits but takes longer to finish!... My GTX460 is at 850mhz core it normally give 15k but now it's down to 5k. __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 965BE @ 3.8Ghz , ASUS Crosshair V Formula , 8GB DDR3 , Gigabyte GeForce 460GTX 1GB OC Intel Core I7 980X @ 4Ghz , ASUS P6X58D Premium , 6GB DDR3 , ASUS GeForce 7600GT
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11-17-10, 04:24 AM	#3
torin3 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Seeing how many GPUs I can cram in one box	I'm getting about 11.5K ppd on them. I also had to bump my voltage to keep the 920 overclock on the core from EUEing. They also take less of a hit on the SMP folding with multiple cards. I'm getting 19K ppd on a P2686 with a 3.3Ghz overclock. __________________ Please fold for Team 32! Board: EVGA 4-Way SLI Classified (E762) Memory: GSkill Ripjaws 6x2GB DDR3 CPU: i7 970 at 4.26Ghz Video card: 2x EVGA GTX 460 Cooling: EK Eddy CPU block and full coverage motherboard block & 2 120mmx240mm heater cores. My Heat
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11-17-10, 04:51 AM	Thread Starter #4
Wega! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark!	DarkWarrior: Ok, well it seams like It's not my oc then.... Torin3: Is that the exact same Wu as the one my highlighted GTX460 is running? Or is it one like my Evga 460 is working on? There seams to be a big difference in these 6800 WU's, unless something is wrong with both DarkWarrior and my GTX460... __________________ You say Lady Gaga, I say Dash Berlin You say Hannah Montana, I say Orjan Nilsen You say Owl City, I say Above & Beyond You say Justin Bieber, I say Armin Van Buuren You say Taylor Swift, I say Dj Tiësto In Trance we trust! Benching mayhem: Asus Rampage Extreme, Gigabyte Ep45 UD3P, QX9650, Q9550, E6300, 4x Cedar Mill's, Corsair Dominators 2000Mhz 8-9-8-24, Crucial Ballistix DDR2, Asus GTX480, XFX GTX260, Inno 8800GTX, Zotac 8800GT, Piotres CPU pot, EK Supreme HF, MCW60 Mo-Ra 3 Pro, Ek DC 4.0 and a Corsair TX750 Daily driver: Asus P5Q Pro, Q8400, OCZ PC8000, GTX460, Enzotech Sapphire, EK GTX460 full block, XSPC res/pump and a HWLabs GTX480.
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11-17-10, 07:19 AM	#5
dfonda Senior Member Premium Member #16 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: PA N. of Splat W. of Torin	Somethings wrong...your getting half what your other gpu is getting on the same wu. I am getting 11k on that one. What happens if you pause the gpu that's running well and or pause your smp if your running one. Or is that 460 a by itself? Edit: oh never mind I see now that it is a different Wu and I may not have gotten one yet. Or have gotten them when I was away. My bad!(my bad eyes and little phone screen) Sheesh I was about to replace my old gpu's with 2 more 460's but not if this is the future. __________________ #1Win7Rosetta2600k@4.5GHZ(Hyper212+)Msi P67 G65 16GB RAM evga560Ti #2UbuntuSMP BA 4P 6128's on a SuperMicro Phones:GNexus, Nexus 4, Galaxy S2(PGNexusROM), iphone5 Folding for Tim and his wife, Mark and his wife,Pete_Scout Oldskool and Adak Last edited by dfonda; 11-17-10 at 07:30 AM.
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11-17-10, 08:33 AM	#6
mxthunder Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Northeast Ohio	As of monday, I have been getting the 'original' kind of WU's that I am used to, a more normal ppd, hotter GPU, etc. For the last couple weeks I was getting the 10k series that shot my ppd through the roof, and my gpus would run 10-20c lower than normal. __________________ i5 2500K @ 4.8GHz Asrock Z68 Extreme 7 Gen3 2x4GB Ripjaws @ 1600 7-8-7-24-34 - 1T XSPC res + D5, RS360 + EK 120mm rad GeForce GTX580 SLI @ 900 HC2 blocks Corsair TX950 WD Velociraptor 450GB/Hitachi 7k1000/Intel 330 SSD cache drive Dell 2209WA @ 75hz Corsair Obsidian 700D
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11-17-10, 03:01 PM	#8
dfonda Senior Member Premium Member #16 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: PA N. of Splat W. of Torin	I am still searching my logs for one that had tpf's that slow...No luck so far. Torin you have that exact WU and you did 11k with good tpf? If that's so, it can't be the Wu's. I'll keep a sharp eye out for that particular one. Wega what happens when you get the other 6800's? Are they all that slow. __________________ #1Win7Rosetta2600k@4.5GHZ(Hyper212+)Msi P67 G65 16GB RAM evga560Ti #2UbuntuSMP BA 4P 6128's on a SuperMicro Phones:GNexus, Nexus 4, Galaxy S2(PGNexusROM), iphone5 Folding for Tim and his wife, Mark and his wife,Pete_Scout Oldskool and Adak
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11-17-10, 05:28 PM	Thread Starter #10
Wega! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark!	dfonda: In the pic I posted you can see my other GTX460Evga running a "normal" 6800 WU, doing about 10.5K PPD. So they are slow, but not that slow. torin3: Yeah I'm also getting around 10.5K PPD on the other 6800WU's, but these just seams to kill my production __________________ You say Lady Gaga, I say Dash Berlin You say Hannah Montana, I say Orjan Nilsen You say Owl City, I say Above & Beyond You say Justin Bieber, I say Armin Van Buuren You say Taylor Swift, I say Dj Tiësto In Trance we trust! Benching mayhem: Asus Rampage Extreme, Gigabyte Ep45 UD3P, QX9650, Q9550, E6300, 4x Cedar Mill's, Corsair Dominators 2000Mhz 8-9-8-24, Crucial Ballistix DDR2, Asus GTX480, XFX GTX260, Inno 8800GTX, Zotac 8800GT, Piotres CPU pot, EK Supreme HF, MCW60 Mo-Ra 3 Pro, Ek DC 4.0 and a Corsair TX750 Daily driver: Asus P5Q Pro, Q8400, OCZ PC8000, GTX460, Enzotech Sapphire, EK GTX460 full block, XSPC res/pump and a HWLabs GTX480.
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11-17-10, 06:43 PM	#11
dfonda Senior Member Premium Member #16 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: PA N. of Splat W. of Torin	I almost want to get one now..just to see if it's the same one you have. Wega are you getting these often? __________________ #1Win7Rosetta2600k@4.5GHZ(Hyper212+)Msi P67 G65 16GB RAM evga560Ti #2UbuntuSMP BA 4P 6128's on a SuperMicro Phones:GNexus, Nexus 4, Galaxy S2(PGNexusROM), iphone5 Folding for Tim and his wife, Mark and his wife,Pete_Scout Oldskool and Adak
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11-17-10, 06:48 PM	Thread Starter #12
Wega! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark!	Well i will gladly give you mine I think the last 5 on that card has been that kind. I also just tried to run that one client alone, to make sure that none of the other clients was interfering, but no change. I also just set my personal record in 3D Mark06 on the card, so it's not because it running slower than usual... __________________ You say Lady Gaga, I say Dash Berlin You say Hannah Montana, I say Orjan Nilsen You say Owl City, I say Above & Beyond You say Justin Bieber, I say Armin Van Buuren You say Taylor Swift, I say Dj Tiësto In Trance we trust! Benching mayhem: Asus Rampage Extreme, Gigabyte Ep45 UD3P, QX9650, Q9550, E6300, 4x Cedar Mill's, Corsair Dominators 2000Mhz 8-9-8-24, Crucial Ballistix DDR2, Asus GTX480, XFX GTX260, Inno 8800GTX, Zotac 8800GT, Piotres CPU pot, EK Supreme HF, MCW60 Mo-Ra 3 Pro, Ek DC 4.0 and a Corsair TX750 Daily driver: Asus P5Q Pro, Q8400, OCZ PC8000, GTX460, Enzotech Sapphire, EK GTX460 full block, XSPC res/pump and a HWLabs GTX480.
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11-17-10, 06:58 PM	#13
torin3 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Seeing how many GPUs I can cram in one box	Just thinking here... I'd double check the client.cfg for that client and see what the priority is set for. Actually, I'd go ahead and change the -gpu 0 / -gpu 1 in the shortcuts to see if it is the client or the hardware. Swap them and if the other card slows down, you'll know it is something client/WU related. If the same card is slow, then you'll know it is something video card related. __________________ Please fold for Team 32! Board: EVGA 4-Way SLI Classified (E762) Memory: GSkill Ripjaws 6x2GB DDR3 CPU: i7 970 at 4.26Ghz Video card: 2x EVGA GTX 460 Cooling: EK Eddy CPU block and full coverage motherboard block & 2 120mmx240mm heater cores. My Heat
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11-17-10, 07:29 PM	#14
spitter3 Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Reboot your box, both my gts 450s have dropped into 2d mode while folding the 6800s, at lease once. I added a few more mvs to make sure they don't.
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11-18-10, 03:57 AM	#15
DarkWarrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Denmark	Thank spitter3 , that work like at charm, i just needed a restart. Now i'm at 11,5k again with a r6800 wu, and a tpf of 1.38. +1 to spitter3 __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 965BE @ 3.8Ghz , ASUS Crosshair V Formula , 8GB DDR3 , Gigabyte GeForce 460GTX 1GB OC Intel Core I7 980X @ 4Ghz , ASUS P6X58D Premium , 6GB DDR3 , ASUS GeForce 7600GT
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11-18-10, 06:39 AM	#17
ChasR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta	The odds of one gpu getting 5 slow WUs while the other gets 10 fast ones are pretty slim. It is good to know that the 460 doew the same thing the 260 does, drop to 2d in power saving mode or for some reason. I had to force my 260s into 3d mode with Riva Tuner. __________________ All ppd from friends and family. Many thanks to HayesK for his support and congrats on being the #1 Folder on Team 32. Special thanks to ChrisC and ColinC
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11-18-10, 11:19 AM	Thread Starter #18
Wega! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark!	And the reboot helped But not for long... What do I need to change to keep the vidcard from going into 2D mode? (Didn't even knew they could do that)... __________________ You say Lady Gaga, I say Dash Berlin You say Hannah Montana, I say Orjan Nilsen You say Owl City, I say Above & Beyond You say Justin Bieber, I say Armin Van Buuren You say Taylor Swift, I say Dj Tiësto In Trance we trust! Benching mayhem: Asus Rampage Extreme, Gigabyte Ep45 UD3P, QX9650, Q9550, E6300, 4x Cedar Mill's, Corsair Dominators 2000Mhz 8-9-8-24, Crucial Ballistix DDR2, Asus GTX480, XFX GTX260, Inno 8800GTX, Zotac 8800GT, Piotres CPU pot, EK Supreme HF, MCW60 Mo-Ra 3 Pro, Ek DC 4.0 and a Corsair TX750 Daily driver: Asus P5Q Pro, Q8400, OCZ PC8000, GTX460, Enzotech Sapphire, EK GTX460 full block, XSPC res/pump and a HWLabs GTX480.
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11-18-10, 05:47 PM	#19
ChasR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta	First try opening the nVidia control panel/Manage 3D settings/global settings/power management mode and change it from adaptive to prefer maximum performance. That might do it. If it doesn't, someone else might want to chime in. I'm not sure Riva Tuner works with the 460 and I can't test that until tomorrow. I don't know it MSI afterburner can force 3d mode, and I haven't found it in EVGA precision. If someone knows RT works, I do know how to force 3d and will post it up if applicable. __________________ All ppd from friends and family. Many thanks to HayesK for his support and congrats on being the #1 Folder on Team 32. Special thanks to ChrisC and ColinC
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11-18-10, 06:08 PM	Thread Starter #20
Wega! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark!	Well something was wrong with my card after all... Or with my OC that is. Earlier I did try to turn down my OC, to make sure that wasnt the problem. I just diddnt reboot after turning down the OC, and then the f@h GPU core was still all messed up, even though I shut it down and started up again. So the problem was still there because i diddnt reboot before starting f@h up again. Anyway, I upped the voltage on my card it has been running without a glitch @960Mhz for two hours now making about 12.5K PPD on the 6800 WU's. I havent tried to push the the card more yet, I want to be sure that this actually was my problem. But tomorrow I'll see how far I can push this card, might even edit the bios to get more voltage. Temps are at 38C full load now, so there should be room for some more volt Sorry for the trouble all, and thanks for helping me out __________________ You say Lady Gaga, I say Dash Berlin You say Hannah Montana, I say Orjan Nilsen You say Owl City, I say Above & Beyond You say Justin Bieber, I say Armin Van Buuren You say Taylor Swift, I say Dj Tiësto In Trance we trust! Benching mayhem: Asus Rampage Extreme, Gigabyte Ep45 UD3P, QX9650, Q9550, E6300, 4x Cedar Mill's, Corsair Dominators 2000Mhz 8-9-8-24, Crucial Ballistix DDR2, Asus GTX480, XFX GTX260, Inno 8800GTX, Zotac 8800GT, Piotres CPU pot, EK Supreme HF, MCW60 Mo-Ra 3 Pro, Ek DC 4.0 and a Corsair TX750 Daily driver: Asus P5Q Pro, Q8400, OCZ PC8000, GTX460, Enzotech Sapphire, EK GTX460 full block, XSPC res/pump and a HWLabs GTX480.
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