[Coreyoliseffect]

I had heard some talk about a conversion kit for V8 that would allow them to get >=30 mpg while running on a mixture of gas/water. I tried the interwebz but all that turned up was a home made hydrogen cell that was contained in a pickle jar and a tostitos jar. I doubt that I will be building that any time soon. Anyone else have a link/info? I am decently interested but I almost certain that inital cost overrides the benefits.

[noxqzs]

With all the information available on the web, unless you find what you are looking for on multiple confirmed websites, then it most likely doesn't exist.

[oakstave]

What the system does is create hydrogen gas from water using electricity. You inject the hydrogen into the carb, and this will theorectically give you higher mileage.

Except it doesn't work. Saw it on Mythbusters. BUSTED.

Every single mileage enhancer I've seen for internal combustion engines is a scam. Magic pellets you put in your tank, etc. Don't fall for it.

[madhatter256]

Sadly, stuff like this on the Internet is all but a scam done by trolls.

[Coreyoliseffect]

I dunno the guy with the pickle and salsa jar was pretty convincing.

Aight, thanks for the replies. I was just wanting to see if anyone here had heard anything about it.

[Shell]

Well I know some Toyota diesels can survive a little water in the engine.

[Wathnix]

+1 for mythbusters

+1 for it being a scam

Sorry, but these things simply don't work, the mileage boosters all record anything from 0% gain to negative mileage improvement. It's always a scam.

Same thing for magic spark plugs, oil additives, power steering fluid additives, transmission oil additives, ect, at best they all will do nothing, at worst they cause damage.

I'm a former mechanic and I gotta tell you to never put anything but recommended parts and fluids in your engine / transmission / whatever. It's always a scam no matter who sells it. They may sound reasonable and they may try to sell you a lifetime warranty and money back guarantee, whatever, it's only as good for however long till they decide they got enough money and the lawsuits and FTC complaints are piling up then they close their business and start a new company selling a completely different performance boosting product leaving you holding worthless promises. Saying 'I'll sue them" is easy, actually doing it is daunting and expensive.

I've seen so many of these things come and go, everything from Rusty Jones undercoating to an electronic rust preventer (I actually installed some of these at the dealership, worthless)

There is a way to cheaply get huge increases in fuel mileage that has been proven to work many times over. CHANGE YOUR DRIVING HABITS. The way you drive has a big impact on the mileage you get. Use slow and gentle stops and starts, keep a steady speed and / or use your cruise control, many people speed up and slow down while thinking they are driving at a 'steady' speed. Going slower does increase mileage too. Basically if you drive 'angry and frustrated' you will get about 30% less fuel efficiency that if you drive 'calm and mellow' best advice is to drive like you are a chauffeur with a picky rich person in the back, just try to glide through traffic like they do.

[TempliNocturnus]

Originally Posted by Wathnix

I've seen so many of these things come and go, everything from Rusty Jones undercoating to an electronic rust preventer (I actually installed some of these at the dealership, worthless)

You must be talking about the ProCoat. Here in Hawaii, they install those on just about every new car. I saw the thing in my new Altima and wondered what it did. It supposedly works, according to all the research I've done. It's basically suppose to re-ionize the metal and inhibit the oxidization process. However, a couple weeks after I installed my sounds, I inspected one of my grounds and noticed an ungodly amount of rust at the grounding point for my EQ (galvanic corrosion, due to two metals making contact, I'm guessing). I didn't think that so much corrosion could build up that quickly, so I'm thinking that maybe this ProCoat may have accelerated the corrosion process. I'd really like to pull that thing out and do some experiments with it to see if it really does help. I still need to buy some galvanized washers for that ground terminal

Originally Posted by Wathnix

There is a way to cheaply get huge increases in fuel mileage that has been proven to work many times over. CHANGE YOUR DRIVING HABITS. The way you drive has a big impact on the mileage you get. Use slow and gentle stops and starts, keep a steady speed and / or use your cruise control, many people speed up and slow down while thinking they are driving at a 'steady' speed. Going slower does increase mileage too. Basically if you drive 'angry and frustrated' you will get about 30% less fuel efficiency that if you drive 'calm and mellow' best advice is to drive like you are a chauffeur with a picky rich person in the back, just try to glide through traffic like they do.

+1
I find that different cars have a kind of "sweet spot" where you MPG peaks at a certain speed. It's generally between 55-70 MPH on the highway. I find that my new Altima (CVT instead of a regular automatic transmission) gets the best MPG just about at 66 MPH on level and well-paved surface. I always try to conserve momentum by keeping a good following distance behind other cars to minimize the amount of braking I have to do; just let the road slow you down when possible.

[Shell]

Originally Posted by TempliNocturnus

You must be talking about the ProCoat. Here in Hawaii, they install those on just about every new car. I saw the thing in my new Altima and wondered what it did. It supposedly works, according to all the research I've done. It's basically suppose to re-ionize the metal and inhibit the oxidization process. However, a couple weeks after I installed my sounds, I inspected one of my grounds and noticed an ungodly amount of rust at the grounding point for my EQ (galvanic corrosion, due to two metals making contact, I'm guessing). I didn't think that so much corrosion could build up that quickly, so I'm thinking that maybe this ProCoat may have accelerated the corrosion process. I'd really like to pull that thing out and do some experiments with it to see if it really does help. I still need to buy some galvanized washers for that ground terminal

Electronic... anti... rust... what?
What's wrong with sacrificial metals, protective coatings, and using metal that doesn't rust?
If it's just putting electricity into the chassis that would speed up corrosion.

[TempliNocturnus]

Originally Posted by Shell

Electronic... anti... rust... what?
What's wrong with sacrificial metals, protective coatings, and using metal that doesn't rust?
If it's just putting electricity into the chassis that would speed up corrosion.

Like I said, that's what I believed happened in my case, at least with galvanic corrosion. It might just work extremely well stopping oxidization from the salty air we have here, being surrounded by ocean, but who knows?

Anyways, here's the product.

[bigben6]

Only way you can use water to your advantage is in the intake track to reduce charge temps and combat detonation/preignition in a super/turbo charger application, but thats HARDLY an economizer..

[Wathnix]

Originally Posted by Shell

Electronic... anti... rust... what?
What's wrong with sacrificial metals, protective coatings, and using metal that doesn't rust?
If it's just putting electricity into the chassis that would speed up corrosion.

I don't remember the name, but yes it worked along those principles, electronics in the box send pulses through electrodes on the car body that somehow stopped the corrosion process with electricity, thing is the metal of your car is already charged from being the ground of your electrical system, and the unit I worked with only had two electrodes on the firewall, so I imagine that even if it did work it would only prevent corrosion on the firewall.

as for protective coatings and sacrificial metals, ect. Once you get a scratch or ding the rust starts there and goes between the galvanization and the regular steel.

[hafa]

Originally Posted by TempliNocturnus

You must be talking about the ProCoat. Here in Hawaii, they install those on just about every new car...

They sold a few of them here too (since the furthest you can get from the ocean here is 3.5km, rust is big issue). I had one in the truck I bought in 2005, but did not elect to get one installed when I traded it in in 2008. I've noticed no difference whatsoever in the amount of corrosion from one vehicle (same make/model) to the other.

Some day I'll learn not to drive like a half-crazed Bangkok taxi driver. I'm sure I'll be saving a bit...

[Shell]

Originally Posted by hafa

They sold a few of them here too (since the furthest you can get from the ocean here is 3.5km, rust is big issue). I had one in the truck I bought in 2005, but did not elect to get one installed when I traded it in in 2008. I've noticed no difference whatsoever in the amount of corrosion from one vehicle (same make/model) to the other.
Some day I'll learn not to drive like a half-crazed Bangkok taxi driver. I'm sure I'll be saving a bit...

If you drive like I do, you'll actually use LESS gas with a powerful car.

[bigben6]

Originally Posted by Shell

If you drive like I do, you'll actually use LESS gas with a powerful car.

Ur gonna have to explain that one, im not buyin it

[Shell]

Originally Posted by bigben6

Ur gonna have to explain that one, im not buyin it

The lower your foot, the lower the mileage.
Because I get to speed much faster I spend more time idling than thrashing like you do with puny engined cars, sucking up gas.

[bigben6]

Originally Posted by Shell

The lower your foot, the lower the mileage.
Because I get to speed much faster I spend more time idling than thrashing like you do with puny engined cars, sucking up gas.

Not buying it.... acceleration uses the most gas hands down, steady state driving is pretty easy in most cases, this sounds like your own little theory to me...

The assumption that higher speed = more idling is inherently flawed as well, it may mean less time RUNNING the engine, but not nessecarily idling, cause i dunno about you but when i have a heavy foot i get to work 2-5 minutes ealr,y i dont just sit and idle away those saved minutes

Thanks for the laugh though, oh and my puny 2.3L has 15.7Lbs positive manifold pressure and over 300Lbft of torque

[Celeron_Phreak]

On my carbureted 2.3l ford, with the way I have the drive-train set up, I find that accelerating semi-quickly and then holding a steady speed gives me better gas mileage than accelerating slowly and then holding the speed.

[bigben6]

Originally Posted by Celeron_Phreak

On my carbureted 2.3l ford, with the way I have the drive-train set up, I find that accelerating semi-quickly and then holding a steady speed gives me better gas mileage than accelerating slowly and then holding the speed.

I don't doubt you, I just think shells generalizatoin is too broad, like a ferrari f40 can get beter milage than a fit by accelerating faster... not gonna happen, every haha

[Archer0915]

Water injection is a legitimate boost but it does not work on standard engines. Diesel yes and aircraft yes and standard gasoline engine = blown gasket, cracked connecting rods, damaged crank...............