Complete list of parts, advice before buying.

Sprucemoose · 06-21-11, 03:35 AM

I've been "researching" for days now planning to build my new computer. I think I have the whole list of parts needed for the build, and I hope that some of you can comment on the parts I've chosen. I'm going to put everything in a midi-tower, and the emphasis is on low-noise (while still being able to cool, of course).

The most important input I could get from any of you is whether or not you think my planned setup will give enough water-flow, air-flow and heat dissipation without maxing speed of fan or pump. I'm also very interested in advice on which air-flow directions I should aim for.

Loop configuration:
Option #1: Res -> pump -> 120.2 rad -> 120.1 rad -> Temp sensor 1 -> CPU -> GPU -> Temp sensor 1 -> 200.1 rad -> Flow Sensor -> Res

As for the temp/flow-sensors: I want to be able to calculate system load (Watts) by using flow and Delta-Watertemp (I believe the Aquaero is capable of doing this). I also want to be able to calculate the Delta-T: TempWater(out) - TempAir(in). I am aware that the pump will dump a "small" amount of heat into the loop, and that my power estimate won't be that accurate. As the heat of the pump is relatively low compared to the rest of the system, I hope it won't matter. En alternate loop would be to keep all radiators in succession like this:

Option #2: Res -> pump -> Temp sensor 1 -> 200.1 rad -> Flow sensor -> 120.2 rad -> 120.1 rad -> Temp sensor 2 -> CPU -> GPU -> Res
If I do the loop this way, I'll get a small increase in total tube length, but I should be able to measure temp. differences over the radiators more accurately.

Air flow configuration:
I'm thinking of configuring the top radiator as an exhaust, and the front radiator as intake. I'm a little unsure of the radiator on the back, though. I might configure this as an intake too, just trying to keep a small positive pressure in the case (dust).

Computer Hardware:
Case: Corsair 600T White Edition
PSU: Corsair HX1000W
MB: ASUS P8Z68-V Pro
CPU: Intel i7 2600K
RAM: Corsair Dominator DHX DDR3 1600MHz 8GB
GPU: PowerColor LCS 6990 (Stock water block EK-FC6990)
Monitor: BenQ 24" LED G2420HDBL
Extensions: Black, sleeved 1x 8pin (CPU), 2x 8-pin (PCI-E), 1x 24-pin (MB)
SSD: OCZ Vertex 2 80GB (from old system)
HHD: Samsung HD401LJ (from old system)
DVD: Samsung SH-S183A (from old system)

Water Cooling parts:
120.1 rad: Swiftech MCR120
120.2 rad: Swiftech MCR220
200.1 rad: Phobya Extreme 200
120mm fans: 3x Noiseblocker M12-S2 (4,5-12V. Max 1250rpm, Max 51 CFM)
180mm fan: 1x Phobya G-Silen 18 (7-12V. Max 700rpm. Max 56 CFM)
Reservoir: XSPC 5.25" Dual Bay for Swiftech MCP655 pump
Pump: Swiftech MCP655 w/variable speed
Fan Control: Aquaero 5 LT
Hose: 10ft 3/8" ID Feser White UV Reactive
CPU-block: Koolance 370 rev 1.1
Flow-meter: AquaComputer High-flow meter
Temp-meter: 2x AquaComputer in-line female-female
Thermal paste: Nonoxia Heat Buster
Fittings: 17x Bitspower compression fittings straight, matte black (a bit on the expensive side, but I'd like black fittings on this one)
Fittings: 1x Bitspower compression fittings 45deg or 90deg, matte black (underside of GFX-card)
Additive: PetraTech PT_Nuke PHN
Coolant: Distilled water

It took me a while to get here, especially regarding choice of radiators (small space, low air-flow). The big questions: Can it be done, will it overheat, will it be low-noise? Would the setup be an overachiever or underachiever? Is the pump strong enough to overcome the total resistance? Should I go for 1/2"ID instead of 3/8ID" tubing? Any advice is greatfully received, even small corrections and smarter solutions. Thanks.

Conumdrum · 06-21-11, 04:24 AM

I think your going to be underraded. And the waker fans won't help matters. Your getting a dual GPU card right? Thats a LOT of heat, your CPU won't be very happy.

Your going to have to at least go a total of 120x4 in rad and some better fans, not crazy loud, just more fannage. If you want a really quiet rig, and you have have some big overclocks in mind, you might think of 120x5 total. Thats what most of us run for a hot CPU and two big GPU's. Especially if noise is a concern.

Rest looks pretty good, but no need for an RPM or temp guages. Your CPU and GPU temps will tell you all you need to know. Up to you.

The D5 vario pump will be just fine. 3/8" ID is fine, but it WON't fit on the pump without some major heating of tubing and many ^&**&$ words.

Sprucemoose · 06-21-11, 04:48 AM

Thanks for replying. I'm not too happy with you saying that I have too few radiators, I had really hoped this would be enough

Now I'm just doing som calculations here: You advice for a total of 5x120mm. The total area would then be:
5 x 120mm^2 = 72000mm^2.

Now, with my setup I do have 3x120mm + a 1x200mm which would be
3x120mm^2 + 200mm^2= 83200mm^2.

It would seem to me that the "total amount" of radiators on my setup would be even larger than 5x120mm. Am I right to to do calculations thisway, or am I just plain dead wrong?

Fans can of course be upgraded, but changing the radiator layout would mean ditching the 600T case (which I hope I don't need). Would upgrading to at least a Noiseblocker Multiframe M12-S3HS (4,5-12V. 1800rpm max. 73CFM) make the needed increase in airflow? Any advice on the 180-200mm fan?

Conumdrum · 06-21-11, 05:53 AM

Ohh Ohh, my bad. I thought the 200 mm was a fan.

Yea you'll be fine. The biggest issue might be enough airflow through the 200mm rad. 200mm and even 140mm fans have problems with enough pressure push or pulling air through the restrictive rad fins.

Adding that rad, how good is it's water flow restriction? It's an unknown to me. You should be fine but if your gonna get that high end speed controller, you should look at the Swiftech 35x pump. PWM and better head vs the 655. More flow vs restriction. I got one just installed, I like it. Small too.

If it was me, I'd have the 120mm size rads with a bit higher speed fans pushing into the case and have the 200mm fan pulling air out of the 200mm rad, your main case exhaust.

Still, give it a go, you might be fine. You can always get better 120mm fans. No advice on the 200mm fan, thats a tough one, outside my experiance and seen nothing on 200mm fans. Well except marketing hype.

What about Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850 RPM or 1450 RPM? Top rad fan right now in the quiet catagory.

Some links for giggles. All fan related.
http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...ans-112-a.html
http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/936/0
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coo..._28.html#sect0
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...-amp-Galleries
http://martinsliquidlab.org/category/fans/

Sprucemoose · 06-21-11, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conumdrum

Ohh Ohh, my bad. I thought the 200 mm was a fan.

I'm so happy you did! I was like

and now I'm

Thanks for the links, they will be a good read.

Quote:

What about Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850 RPM or 1450 RPM? Top rad fan right now in the quiet catagory.

I took a look at you madshrimp.be article, and I see that the 1850rpm has a really high CFM:Noise ratio. I might just switch to that fan!

Quote:

Adding that rad, how good is it's water flow restriction? It's an unknown to me. You should be fine but if your gonna get that high end speed controller, you should look at the Swiftech 35x pump. PWM and better head vs the 655. More flow vs restriction. I got one just installed, I like it. Small too.

Well, the radiator is supposed to be low-resistance. Some chart can be found at this Corsair forum together with a couple of links from german reviews. If this doesn't add that much resistance, I might be able to run everything with the MCP655, right? I'll take a look at the 35x-pump, though. If I switch, I guess I'll be needing a different reservoir setup. I guess I also need som amplifiers for the Aquaero if it needs more juice than the controller can provide.

Quote:

If it was me, I'd have the 120mm size rads with a bit higher speed fans pushing into the case and have the 200mm fan pulling air out of the 200mm rad, your main case exhaust.

Any reason for this advice? Better airflow or lower temps? I don't believe that the Corsair case has dust filters for the top openings, and I don't have any space for more stuff up there (not even a couple of mm). I think I at least need the 2x120 at the top to be exhaust for pure space/fit reasons.

Conumdrum · 06-21-11, 08:41 AM

The 35x has two wire headers. One for 12VDC to he PSU and one just for PWM contol. No worries.

Squeezing a case into a small hole is bad for heat. Rethink your needs.

Dust and performance don't mix. High performance cars don't worry about dust and higher CFM fans. They just clean more often.

You could buy a Dell with an Atom processor that has almost no fans and play no games. That choice is up to you.

Your already looking at once a year drain and refill, taking a full day. And the other once a year is a full tear down and rebuild taking 2-4 days, depending on your rush and loop bleeding. Whats a bit of dust have to do with it?

Sprucemoose · 06-21-11, 05:59 PM

I took a look at the MCP35x again, and I going for that one. I'm going to use the XSPC Reservoir with this one, so the top has to come off. PWM will be just the thing for the Aquaero! I took your advice on the Gentle Typhoon, just got myself 3 of those. Still some more shopping to do.

I still think I'm trying the Phobya G-Silent 18 on the front fan, there isn't much to choose from when dealing with fans of this size, and the radiator itself should be good with low-medium airflow. If it's not working, I can always replace it.

06-21-11, 03:35 AM	Thread Starter #1
Sprucemoose Registered Join Date: Jun 2011	Complete list of parts, advice before buying. I've been "researching" for days now planning to build my new computer. I think I have the whole list of parts needed for the build, and I hope that some of you can comment on the parts I've chosen. I'm going to put everything in a midi-tower, and the emphasis is on low-noise (while still being able to cool, of course). The most important input I could get from any of you is whether or not you think my planned setup will give enough water-flow, air-flow and heat dissipation without maxing speed of fan or pump. I'm also very interested in advice on which air-flow directions I should aim for. Loop configuration: Option #1: Res -> pump -> 120.2 rad -> 120.1 rad -> Temp sensor 1 -> CPU -> GPU -> Temp sensor 1 -> 200.1 rad -> Flow Sensor -> Res As for the temp/flow-sensors: I want to be able to calculate system load (Watts) by using flow and Delta-Watertemp (I believe the Aquaero is capable of doing this). I also want to be able to calculate the Delta-T: TempWater(out) - TempAir(in). I am aware that the pump will dump a "small" amount of heat into the loop, and that my power estimate won't be that accurate. As the heat of the pump is relatively low compared to the rest of the system, I hope it won't matter. En alternate loop would be to keep all radiators in succession like this: Option #2: Res -> pump -> Temp sensor 1 -> 200.1 rad -> Flow sensor -> 120.2 rad -> 120.1 rad -> Temp sensor 2 -> CPU -> GPU -> Res If I do the loop this way, I'll get a small increase in total tube length, but I should be able to measure temp. differences over the radiators more accurately. Air flow configuration: I'm thinking of configuring the top radiator as an exhaust, and the front radiator as intake. I'm a little unsure of the radiator on the back, though. I might configure this as an intake too, just trying to keep a small positive pressure in the case (dust). Computer Hardware: Case: Corsair 600T White Edition PSU: Corsair HX1000W MB: ASUS P8Z68-V Pro CPU: Intel i7 2600K RAM: Corsair Dominator DHX DDR3 1600MHz 8GB GPU: PowerColor LCS 6990 (Stock water block EK-FC6990) Monitor: BenQ 24" LED G2420HDBL Extensions: Black, sleeved 1x 8pin (CPU), 2x 8-pin (PCI-E), 1x 24-pin (MB) SSD: OCZ Vertex 2 80GB (from old system) HHD: Samsung HD401LJ (from old system) DVD: Samsung SH-S183A (from old system) Water Cooling parts: 120.1 rad: Swiftech MCR120 120.2 rad: Swiftech MCR220 200.1 rad: Phobya Extreme 200 120mm fans: 3x Noiseblocker M12-S2 (4,5-12V. Max 1250rpm, Max 51 CFM) 180mm fan: 1x Phobya G-Silen 18 (7-12V. Max 700rpm. Max 56 CFM) Reservoir: XSPC 5.25" Dual Bay for Swiftech MCP655 pump Pump: Swiftech MCP655 w/variable speed Fan Control: Aquaero 5 LT Hose: 10ft 3/8" ID Feser White UV Reactive CPU-block: Koolance 370 rev 1.1 Flow-meter: AquaComputer High-flow meter Temp-meter: 2x AquaComputer in-line female-female Thermal paste: Nonoxia Heat Buster Fittings: 17x Bitspower compression fittings straight, matte black (a bit on the expensive side, but I'd like black fittings on this one) Fittings: 1x Bitspower compression fittings 45deg or 90deg, matte black (underside of GFX-card) Additive: PetraTech PT_Nuke PHN Coolant: Distilled water It took me a while to get here, especially regarding choice of radiators (small space, low air-flow). The big questions: Can it be done, will it overheat, will it be low-noise? Would the setup be an overachiever or underachiever? Is the pump strong enough to overcome the total resistance? Should I go for 1/2"ID instead of 3/8ID" tubing? Any advice is greatfully received, even small corrections and smarter solutions. Thanks.
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06-21-11, 04:24 AM	#2
Conumdrum Mutant Forrespondent Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Las Vegas	I think your going to be underraded. And the waker fans won't help matters. Your getting a dual GPU card right? Thats a LOT of heat, your CPU won't be very happy. Your going to have to at least go a total of 120x4 in rad and some better fans, not crazy loud, just more fannage. If you want a really quiet rig, and you have have some big overclocks in mind, you might think of 120x5 total. Thats what most of us run for a hot CPU and two big GPU's. Especially if noise is a concern. Rest looks pretty good, but no need for an RPM or temp guages. Your CPU and GPU temps will tell you all you need to know. Up to you. The D5 vario pump will be just fine. 3/8" ID is fine, but it WON't fit on the pump without some major heating of tubing and many ^&**&$ words. __________________ All stock for now, no need for more, but it's gonna be soon methinks. Giga Xtreme 58 mobo i7 965 ES D0 step Corsair 1600 6 gig SLI GTX470 OC when I need it to 870 GPU/1725 mem EK HF nickle blue top CPU block (free from Eddie) Koolance 470 waterblocks One big loop, two 120x3 rads. Pa 120.3 and XSPC RX 120x3. Swiftech 35x pump with V2 restop. GT AP15 fans. Banchetto Tech Station 120 GB SSD, and a few other drives. 1000W UltraX3 PSU, 900 watt (1500VA UPS 27" ASUS VG 3D/Nvidia V2 3D glasses and 24" Acer H243H UPS is 1500 PFCLCD
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06-21-11, 04:48 AM	Thread Starter #3
Sprucemoose Registered Join Date: Jun 2011	Thanks for replying. I'm not too happy with you saying that I have too few radiators, I had really hoped this would be enough Now I'm just doing som calculations here: You advice for a total of 5x120mm. The total area would then be: 5 x 120mm^2 = 72000mm^2. Now, with my setup I do have 3x120mm + a 1x200mm which would be 3x120mm^2 + 200mm^2= 83200mm^2. It would seem to me that the "total amount" of radiators on my setup would be even larger than 5x120mm. Am I right to to do calculations thisway, or am I just plain dead wrong? Fans can of course be upgraded, but changing the radiator layout would mean ditching the 600T case (which I hope I don't need). Would upgrading to at least a Noiseblocker Multiframe M12-S3HS (4,5-12V. 1800rpm max. 73CFM) make the needed increase in airflow? Any advice on the 180-200mm fan?
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06-21-11, 05:53 AM	#4
Conumdrum Mutant Forrespondent Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Las Vegas	Ohh Ohh, my bad. I thought the 200 mm was a fan. Yea you'll be fine. The biggest issue might be enough airflow through the 200mm rad. 200mm and even 140mm fans have problems with enough pressure push or pulling air through the restrictive rad fins. Adding that rad, how good is it's water flow restriction? It's an unknown to me. You should be fine but if your gonna get that high end speed controller, you should look at the Swiftech 35x pump. PWM and better head vs the 655. More flow vs restriction. I got one just installed, I like it. Small too. If it was me, I'd have the 120mm size rads with a bit higher speed fans pushing into the case and have the 200mm fan pulling air out of the 200mm rad, your main case exhaust. Still, give it a go, you might be fine. You can always get better 120mm fans. No advice on the 200mm fan, thats a tough one, outside my experiance and seen nothing on 200mm fans. Well except marketing hype. What about Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850 RPM or 1450 RPM? Top rad fan right now in the quiet catagory. Some links for giggles. All fan related. http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...ans-112-a.html http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/936/0 http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coo..._28.html#sect0 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...-amp-Galleries http://martinsliquidlab.org/category/fans/ __________________ All stock for now, no need for more, but it's gonna be soon methinks. Giga Xtreme 58 mobo i7 965 ES D0 step Corsair 1600 6 gig SLI GTX470 OC when I need it to 870 GPU/1725 mem EK HF nickle blue top CPU block (free from Eddie) Koolance 470 waterblocks One big loop, two 120x3 rads. Pa 120.3 and XSPC RX 120x3. Swiftech 35x pump with V2 restop. GT AP15 fans. Banchetto Tech Station 120 GB SSD, and a few other drives. 1000W UltraX3 PSU, 900 watt (1500VA UPS 27" ASUS VG 3D/Nvidia V2 3D glasses and 24" Acer H243H UPS is 1500 PFCLCD
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06-21-11, 08:41 AM	#6
Conumdrum Mutant Forrespondent Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Las Vegas	The 35x has two wire headers. One for 12VDC to he PSU and one just for PWM contol. No worries. Squeezing a case into a small hole is bad for heat. Rethink your needs. Dust and performance don't mix. High performance cars don't worry about dust and higher CFM fans. They just clean more often. You could buy a Dell with an Atom processor that has almost no fans and play no games. That choice is up to you. Your already looking at once a year drain and refill, taking a full day. And the other once a year is a full tear down and rebuild taking 2-4 days, depending on your rush and loop bleeding. Whats a bit of dust have to do with it? __________________ All stock for now, no need for more, but it's gonna be soon methinks. Giga Xtreme 58 mobo i7 965 ES D0 step Corsair 1600 6 gig SLI GTX470 OC when I need it to 870 GPU/1725 mem EK HF nickle blue top CPU block (free from Eddie) Koolance 470 waterblocks One big loop, two 120x3 rads. Pa 120.3 and XSPC RX 120x3. Swiftech 35x pump with V2 restop. GT AP15 fans. Banchetto Tech Station 120 GB SSD, and a few other drives. 1000W UltraX3 PSU, 900 watt (1500VA UPS 27" ASUS VG 3D/Nvidia V2 3D glasses and 24" Acer H243H UPS is 1500 PFCLCD
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06-21-11, 05:59 PM	Thread Starter #7
Sprucemoose Registered Join Date: Jun 2011	I took a look at the MCP35x again, and I going for that one. I'm going to use the XSPC Reservoir with this one, so the top has to come off. PWM will be just the thing for the Aquaero! I took your advice on the Gentle Typhoon, just got myself 3 of those. Still some more shopping to do. I still think I'm trying the Phobya G-Silent 18 on the front fan, there isn't much to choose from when dealing with fans of this size, and the radiator itself should be good with low-medium airflow. If it's not working, I can always replace it.
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