[muhsin]

Hey, This is my first message in overclockers. I hope I will find an answer. First I am sorry for my bad english.

Here my system:

AMD Phenom X6 1090T with
THERMALTAKE CONTAC 29 cpu cooler
Asus M4A87TD-USB3
G.SKILL 4GB DDR3 1600Mhz CL9 (4x2GB)
MSI R6950 HD6950@70, 2 GB, GDDR5, 256 Bit /
OCZ FATAL1TY 550W /
COOLER MASTER CM 690 II with 4 piece 12 cm and one piece 8 cm fan

My 1090T temprature is: (IDLE and not overclocking)

CpuId: Cpu:39 C Core:36 C
CoreTemp: Cpu #0: 39 C
Asus PcProbe: Cpu: 36 C

I haven't got water cooling system.

Now I read articles and this Cpu must be 24-25 C in idle. But mine is never see 35 C. Why? I really mind that. I thought it must be for my thermal paste. I bought Arctic Mx-3 and used yesterday but it can't make a world of difference with my temperature

Maybe I applied wrongly thermal compund. But I think i wasn't.

Now Is this temperature normal? I think it isn't. But where I did wrong? Bios settings or Thermal compound or anything? I don't know. I hope you experts help me.

Maybe this temperature normal for my system. If you say so I believe

I read all of this thread: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=647240 but i can't figured how can i get this low temperature =)

Take care and thanks for all your answer

[Bijiont]

First welcome,

The temps could be a combination of things.

The first I would look at it your TIM application such as which method did you use? Bead? Spread it with a card?

MX-3 is actually pretty poor paste. I would suggest Prolimatech PK-1 or even MX-4.

Remounting your HS could also correct some of this as well.

[trents]

I read that this CPU cooler is pretty difficult and awkward to install. It could be that in the installation process you accidentally scraped off some of the thermal grease as you were trying to get it seated. I second the recommendations of Bijiont. Arctic Silver 5 is another excellent but economical thermal paste and readily available at a lot of computer and electronics stores.

[muhsin]

Thanks all of your quick answers =)

Originally Posted by Bijiont

First welcome,

The temps could be a combination of things.

The first I would look at it your TIM application such as which method did you use? Bead? Spread it with a card?

MX-3 is actually pretty poor paste. I would suggest Prolimatech PK-1 or even MX-4.

Remounting your HS could also correct some of this as well.

My first attempt is like this:



But maybe i cannot do maybe other reason in this application I see 45 C in idle and i changed my TIM application. After that I used spread with my finger in nylon like condom.(like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU2_uP9S9Gg but i spread only one line)

I live in Turkey and here I can't find Mx-4 or Prolimatech PK-1 any online store. I read some reviews and after that I bought Mx-3. I presumed it is a good thermal compound but i was wrong =(

I listen all of your suggestion and tomorrow I will try everything finally. In this time I will remount this =)

Originally Posted by trents

I read that this CPU cooler is pretty difficult and awkward to install. It could be that in the installation process you accidentally scraped off some of the thermal grease as you were trying to get it seated. I second the recommendations of Bijiont. Arctic Silver 5 is another excellent but economical thermal paste and readily available at a lot of computer and electronics stores.

Hmm. Yes it's a very difficult to install. I mean not difficult but difficult. Seems very easy but i'm new at this things. And what do you mean is scraped off? I rubbed heatsink or what? Sorry for my English sometimes even i look up the dictionary I can't understand some phrases.

I can't Arctic Silver 5 in online store too.

Thanks for all your precios helps. What can I do other things?

[RGone]

IF post #4 is a picture of how the copper tubes look on the bottom of the heatsink, then surely you will have high temps since no contact between the heatsink and the cpu is apparent OR there would be thermal compound paste showing up as gray or white on those copper tubes. That is what I am looking at from the picture.

[muhsin]

Originally Posted by RGone

IF post #4 is a picture of how the copper tubes look on the bottom of the heatsink, then surely you will have high temps since no contact between the heatsink and the cpu is apparent OR there would be thermal compound paste showing up as gray or white on those copper tubes. That is what I am looking at from the picture.

Thanks for answering. I read here http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...1&limitstart=5 and I did this. But like you say I have very high temp and I changed my method and I used spread method.

[Bijiont]

Originally Posted by muhsin

Thanks for answering. I read here http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...1&limitstart=5 and I did this. But like you say I have very high temp and I changed my method and I used spread method.

The method you posted should work fine generally you place a bead on the CPU rather than the HS. The biggest thing really with any method is to make 1 clean contact so your not lifting up creating air pockets.

What trents is referring to is with some HS mounts being hard people tend to move the HS around which may cause your thermal paste to come off the HS and processor. Placing your bead on the CPU as appose to the HS can help minimize this.

Here is a very common method for applying paste which will reduce air pockets and also give a good mount.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3gx6c62D7I

[trents]

In the picture it looks like the thermal pasted beads are laid on the base block material between the copper pipes rather than the copper pipes themselves. Wouldn't it make more sense to do it the other way around? That is to say, lay the bead on the bottom of the copper pipes? The copper pipes are what conduct the heat away from the CPU face.

[WhitehawkEQ]

In this picture, I see old thermal paste as well as the new paste, when you go to use new paste, clean the old with rubbing alcohol or some other cleaner.

Originally Posted by muhsin

I use it does not dry out like silicone, I don't know how it compares to any of the other types as I have not used them.

My Phenom II 1090T system has been running for 24/7 for 8 months now and temps have not gone over 35c with full load on all 6 cores (I run F@H)


Also, what clock speed are you running? 3.2GHZ? Overclock?

[Mjolnir]

Put the thermal paste on the copper pipes; along all of them in a thin stream; you don't want to saturate it.

Also; idle temps are determined by room temperature. You can never get idle temps below the ambient case temperature. So if you have a hot room; could be why.

Also to correct Bijiont. MX-3 is a fantastic compound.. If you got the old batch like I did :P. There's 2 batches that were sent out (don't ask for a source; I just remember reading this a long while ago lol). The first batch performed great; but the second batch performs worse than both MX-2 and MX-4. I actually think the first set of MX-3 was the highest performing out of the 3. I might be wrong honestly.. But I swear this is what I read.. Lol.

As many people have stated before; Idle temps mean NOTHING. Run Prime 95 for about 30 minutes on all cores and see what the max load temperature is.

[trents]

Originally Posted by WhitehawkEQ

In this picture, I see old thermal paste as well as the new paste, when you go to use new paste . . .

I don't think it's old paste but my guess is this was done as a preparation to make sure the paste got down into the gaps between the heat pipes before the cooler was attached. This is called "tinning". It don't think this is a picture of his effort but one he got off an instructional web site.

[WhitehawkEQ]

Ahh, I see now.

Originally Posted by trents

I don't think it's old paste but my guess is this was done as a preparation to make sure the paste got down into the gaps between the heat pipes before the cooler was attached. This is called "tinning". It don't think this is a picture of his effort but one he got off an instructional web site.

[trents]

mushin, redo the thermal paste and this time dribble a line down each copper heat pipe.

[RGone]

^^If you install like that...^^



^^Then this graphic is what you should be seeing if you then removed the heatsink and is good for sure.^^

IF you are seeing what is shown in those two images, then it is not likely 'how' the heatsink is being installed but some other factor making for high idle temps and high under-load temps.

Originally Posted by trents

mushin, redo the thermal paste and this time dribble a line down each copper heat pipe.

^^Yes you could also do as "trents" suggests. Making a line is what is likely needed AND the look should be as in graphic #2 above when you remove the heatsink after having installed it with the pressure of the pull-down mounts.

[a c i d.f l y]

Is your fan connected to the CPU fan header?
Do you have temperature controlled fan settings in your BIOS?
What is your ambient temperature?

[Catscratch]

A fellow from Turkey, how rare :P Your temps are ok. As acidfly already hinted, the performance may vary if you hooked the Fan to the CPU header on the mainboard. All motherboards have at least the option to run cpu fan on 100% so check Bios settings. Check if Turbo Core is enabled. You don't need Cool'n'Quiet, so disable that.

As for applying TIM to core contact type of coolers, it's the same I used my cooler on 2 cpus. First was a windsor x2 5600 and now x6 1090t

See my Sunbeam's gaps are the same if not wider and it has 1 more pipe.

One more thing, if any of you caught the detail in his first post.
CpuId: Cpu:39 C Core:36 C
CoreTemp: Cpu #0: 39 C
Asus PcProbe: Cpu: 36 C
His cpu socket and core temps are really close. Thuban batches in Turkey are weird in that sense, at least the latest batch. My situation is similar.


This is a Turbo Core enabled 3600 / 4000 overclock. Only normal and turbo multi are changed, Cool'n'Quiet is disabled because Turbo Core also contains CnQ. See how core and cpu socket temps are almost the same ? Why ? Maybe these batches have the better temp sensors.

So, i think OP's temps are normal if there's no A/C in the room. Because in summer, it gets really hot with humidity in Turkey.

[Bijiont]

Originally Posted by Mjolnir

Put the thermal paste on the copper pipes; along all of them in a thin stream; you don't want to saturate it.

Also; idle temps are determined by room temperature. You can never get idle temps below the ambient case temperature. So if you have a hot room; could be why.

Also to correct Bijiont. MX-3 is a fantastic compound.. If you got the old batch like I did :P. There's 2 batches that were sent out (don't ask for a source; I just remember reading this a long while ago lol). The first batch performed great; but the second batch performs worse than both MX-2 and MX-4. I actually think the first set of MX-3 was the highest performing out of the 3. I might be wrong honestly.. But I swear this is what I read.. Lol.

As many people have stated before; Idle temps mean NOTHING. Run Prime 95 for about 30 minutes on all cores and see what the max load temperature is.

It was on Skinnee and personally I would rather not play Russian roulette with thermal compound. Rather just buy something I know for a fact will perform period.

[trents]

mushin,

What is the temperature in the room where your computer is located?

[muhsin]

Thanks for all your precious help. I am very thankful =) I could'nt connect internet last few days for this reason I can reply now =)

First I explain my previous message with HS picture is quatation. For this reason it cannot be old thermal paste problem but i wish i can buy the thermal paste you posted but here I cannot find them. Only very familiar brands like arctic silver, noctua or something like that.

I didn't any overclocking operation. I run with 3.2 ghz.

I read Mx-3 is a good compund too. For this reason I bought it but my temperature is too high. I will run Prime 95 and I will post here tomorrow. Thank you for your advice Mjolnir.

And i have to explain something too =) I applied thermal compound like i posted my picture. But my temperature was too too high. And after that I retried the process and I did spread method. Now my thermal compound method is spreading =) Maybe my posted photo is good method but i didn't achive this method.

I will remount and repaste thermal compound some days. But I want to be sure first

I connect my Cpu fan header of course I mean my cpu fan ran straight i think =) I entered bios and I did some settings but i don't know if it is correct or not. But i know i disabled CoolNQuiet but i'm not sure with Turbocore selection. I will post my Hardware monitor picture and bios picture this night I hope =)

And vital question is my degree in room Here Turkey like catscratch say we've got too humidity air and temperature is 35 C-40 C

[trents]

In my experience, core temps at run about 5-7 degrees Centigrade warmer than what my room air temps are and I have a big aftermarket cooler and plenty of case fans. May CPU is moderately overvolted and overclocked. So if your core temps are running in the 44 C range you're about where you should be at idle.

As Mjolnir pointed out in an earlier post, idle temps are not that important. I would ask that you now do a stress test with Prime95 blend for 10 minutes while HWMonitor is already open. Report back to us with pictures of HWMonitor at the end of that test. Make sure you show us the section of HWMonitor where the "core temps" are found. This will show is what your minimum and maximum core temps are.