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Old 10-14-11, 05:58 PM Thread Starter   #1
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Jeff Atwood likes OCF, hates our design (IMOG and Archer0915 take a look)


http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/201...ification.html

Saw that today when reading around. Scroll down a bit. You guys are famous .

For those who don't know Jeff Atwood (and partners) started Stack Exchange/Stack Overflow/etc.

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Old 10-14-11, 06:41 PM   #2
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Hey that is infringement. I did not see a single word about OCF. He better cite the source of those shots.

These forums are paid for and not by him. I was there in the old BB days and this is much better. It is more personal and homey feeling. That guy can Kiss my Converse.

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Old 10-14-11, 07:35 PM   #3
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Hey that is infringement. I did not see a single word about OCF. He better cite the source of those shots.

These forums are paid for and not by him. I was there in the old BB days and this is much better. It is more personal and homey feeling. That guy can Kiss my Converse.
Just playing devils advocate here. What is he infringing on? Infringment, as defined by Wikipedia is

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He's not violating any law or right. Copyright infringement? Patent infringement? This is a free, public website, and information (at least to me) here should be viewed as such. He's not claiming ownership or to have written anything in that screenshot. Sure, it would be nice to at least provide a link or cite where it's from, but, as far as I know, he's not doing anything wrong by not doing that.

In your quote Archer, I'm just seeing misguided anger because he "insulted" our website.

For what it's worth, I don't see anything wrong with our site either though

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When you use someone else's image, even if its in the public domain, its at least common courtesy to reference the source


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If I just do that without sourcing it, it's at very least douchey.
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Old 10-14-11, 10:22 PM   #5
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§ 201 · Ownership of copyright1
(a) Initial Ownership.—Copyright in a work protected under this title
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are coowners of copyright in the work.
(b) Works Made for Hire.—In the case of a work made for hire, the employer
or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author
for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise
in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the rights comprised in the
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contribution to a collective work is distinct from copyright in the collective work
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of an express transfer of the copyright or of any rights under it, the owner of
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of reproducing and distributing the contribution as part of that particular collective
work, any revision of that collective work, and any later collective work
in the same series.
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap2.pdf

In essence my image is also a sort of trade mark and the text here is copyrighted. No sources cited. Also I am an arrogant pompous ass at times but the frickin truth is many times what I say is not common or general knowledge and therefore does not fall under special rules of exemption.

The guy has links and if those are paid links he is not giving me, I.M.O.G. of OCF our cut. Shame.

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Old 10-14-11, 10:46 PM   #6
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Well he really wouldn't owe you anything. As anything posted on the OCF belongs to Inet. This includes post, pics and such.

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I'm pretty sure it does apply here. I remember someone I used to know who wrote books about fish that had some of his non professional 'my home fish' pictures pilfered by a site and threatened legal action of some sort..
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What I post I believe would fall under clause (C) Contributions to Collective Works.—Copyright in each separate
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any revision of that collective work, and any later collective work
in the same series.

Where INet or I.M.O.G. or myself has the right and the right to share, publish or otherwise distribute but this person did not have the permission of INet, myself of I.M.O.G. I presume. Not citation is a violation I think.

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Old 10-14-11, 11:57 PM   #9
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He's just pushing his product and creating numbers out of nowhere like an infomercial.

Obviously, his product it show information as efficiently and effectively as possible and I see that.

Let's not get all fussy about him using our site as an 'example' or a really bad example at that IMO.

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Old 10-15-11, 07:04 AM   #10
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He's just pushing his product and creating numbers out of nowhere like an infomercial.

Obviously, his product it show information as efficiently and effectively as possible and I see that.

Let's not get all fussy about him using our site as an 'example' or a really bad example at that IMO.
I aint getting fussy I am just saying he should have cited, well not really cited jut noted we were OCF.

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Thus is funny... what does his forum look like?

Anyway. I don't think this violated anything though. He isn't using the content in the posts its just a picture example of structure which someone e not logged in can easily see.
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I don't think the law was broken. I am funning; but hell it may have been broken for all I know.

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Not sure what the guy is complaining about? Everything looks fine to me. If circa 2011 means ads, flashing lights and other garbage jumping at you, then no thanks. I'm happy with our 2001.

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I know how old I am and if anyone else is around my age they will remember things like the old BBS systems (some were only 300-1200 BPS). Everything was text man.

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If we really wanted to, we could ask him to take it down and whatnot but I don't see it as that much of a big deal. If we complain about it, they will just edit the post and say how we are a bunch of bad sports, etc

This guy obviously hasn't been at many other forums. They think our site is bad? He should see those that allow huge ass picture signatures that are 750 px high. Now that is a waste of space.

*edit: I noticed a few people mentioned not having signatures saving a ton of space, etc but really, it saves space. It saves space from people having to say "what system is this in" and then a response of the specs of the system in nearly every thread. When problems and answers are directly related to the system specs in signatures, it is pretty important to have on a technical forum, IMO. Of course, if I felt like there was something wrong with how things look, I would have already changed things around

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This guy obviously hasn't been at many other forums. They think our site is bad? He should see those that allow huge ass picture signatures that are 750 px high. Now that is a waste of space.
i hate those signatures, yeah as im lesser active now ive reduced my signature as i rarely ask questions about my own system, just like to help, this is just ridiculous in my opionion, this is the best forum ive ever been on.

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This is hipster minimalist propaganda. I don't care what percent of my screen is used by actual information, and if the majority of the users on the site feel the same then there is no reason to go mucking about with it because someone is OCD about how much screen they use.

I don't see what problem web designers/programmers have with keeping interfaces the same. I like the posting system on this forum more than I do other minimalist forums that I've seen and used, and as mentioned there are plenty of forums that are a LOT more cluttered. I also like XP's interface over vista/7 a lot and don't get me started on office 2003 vs 2007 (even though I thankfully don't have to use either at the moment). Why can't we just keep an interface that works? Why must all this time be wasted on mucking about with something that works perfectly fine to begin with? Look at the automobile, it's had the same basic interface for something close to 100 years now, but before that every single one worked differently and you'd have to re-learn it every time you used a different car.

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If we really wanted to, we could ask him to take it down and whatnot but I don't see it as that much of a big deal. If we complain about it, they will just edit the post and say how we are a bunch of bad sports, etc

This guy obviously hasn't been at many other forums. They think our site is bad? He should see those that allow huge ass picture signatures that are 750 px high. Now that is a waste of space.

*edit: I noticed a few people mentioned not having signatures saving a ton of space, etc but really, it saves space. It saves space from people having to say "what system is this in" and then a response of the specs of the system in nearly every thread. When problems and answers are directly related to the system specs in signatures, it is pretty important to have on a technical forum, IMO. Of course, if I felt like there was something wrong with how things look, I would have already changed things around
Agreed 100%. Sometimes getting information across efficiently doesn't mean packing it all onto the screen as tightly as possible. Honestly, his "Actual Information" box was harder for me to read then the screenshot from the forums...the spacing made it hard to visually (subconciously) identify when someone else was "speaking", and it made it impossible to tell if the third post was by the OP or someone else. Having avatars, coloring, etc makes a big difference to readability - When I see IMOG's name in red with a bunch of stars, that puts more weight behind it than someone with white text and 1 star. And when I see Archer's picture, I know to take everything he says with a grain of salt. It's part of being a community, as opposed to just being a resource for people to get help with computer stuff. And of course, having hardware in your sig is usually FAR more efficient than the 20 "what are your specs" questions. For example, in Archer's OP, he just said "will I see a difference moving to X6", and we knew that he meant "from an X4 to an X6" because it's in his sig. As opposed to someone without a sig just saying "will I see a difference moving to an X6?" ...well, from what? A 3400+? Completely different question.

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This is hipster minimalist propaganda. I don't care what percent of my screen is used by actual information, and if the majority of the users on the site feel the same then there is no reason to go mucking about with it because someone is OCD about how much screen they use.

I don't see what problem web designers/programmers have with keeping interfaces the same. I like the posting system on this forum more than I do other minimalist forums that I've seen and used, and as mentioned there are plenty of forums that are a LOT more cluttered. I also like XP's interface over vista/7 a lot and don't get me started on office 2003 vs 2007 (even though I thankfully don't have to use either at the moment). Why can't we just keep an interface that works? Why must all this time be wasted on mucking about with something that works perfectly fine to begin with? Look at the automobile, it's had the same basic interface for something close to 100 years now, but before that every single one worked differently and you'd have to re-learn it every time you used a different car.

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This Quote was by KonaKona, posted on October 19, 1:29pm MST, he was wearing blue jeans and T-shirt, typing on a computer, at a desk....just wanted to make sure I didn't infringe on his "writes".

Anyway, I agree with Kona. I like the separation/delineation and character of the "frippery" on the forum...and it just works.

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