Upgrading to Hexacore on AM2+ mobo

notJUSTguitar · 10-20-11, 01:35 PM

Hey everyone.

I've been running this system for 2 years now:
Gigabyte MA-78GM-US2H (rev 1.0)
AMD Athlon 64 x2 7850BE @2.8Ghz.
XFX Radeon HD 5550 (DDR2 version)
WD Cavier black 640GB hard drive (SATA III/64 cache version).

I also bought an OCZ Vertex 2 SSD a month ago.
The motherboard supports the Phenom II x6 CPUs with the latest BIOS.
I'm wondering if anybody has run any on this board or similar boards?
And, would the performance be as good as on an AM3 board?
Also does anybody know how well it would overclock on my board? (I want to overclock it as far as I can on the stock heatsink)

I'm still in high school so I don't have enough money to build a whole new system, but would love to have a better CPU.
Thanks!

EarthDog · 10-20-11, 01:57 PM

The performance would be the same. Not sure how fat you could overclock on that chipset/board or with the stock heatsink, a couple hundred mhz I assume though...

notJUSTguitar · 10-20-11, 02:08 PM

Thanks for the reply. What thuban would you suggest I get? Of course the 1090t would be easier to overclock because of the unlocked multiplier.
Would a 1055t for sure get to 3.4Ghz or more?
I'm worried I wouldn't be able to overclock that high from stock with my older motherboard.

Oh, and do you think that the price will go down in the next few weeks now that the FXs are out?

notJUSTguitar · 10-21-11, 05:01 PM

I just ordered the Phenom II 1090T. It will be here early next week.
I'll post back how it works out, and If I need any help with overclocking it.
Thanks

tangletail · 10-21-11, 06:30 PM

aren't the phenom II 1090 and up AM3?

notJUSTguitar · 10-21-11, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tangletail

aren't the phenom II 1090 and up AM3?

Yes, but my Gigabyte has released a BIOS for my AM2+ board to support AM3 CPUs.

tangletail · 10-21-11, 06:55 PM

Uh.... I am pretty sure that is no where near possible... I dunno... they did release a bio update so that must mean it will work... like Asus with crosshair IV.

If it does work you may run into some conflicting issues... because DDR2 may pretty much bottleneck you at that point on that processor. So.... go for it bro!

notJUSTguitar · 10-21-11, 07:09 PM

Yea, AM3 CPUs physically fit in AM2+ socket.
Yea I hope DDR2 isn't a bottleneck. I have 4GB running at 1066Ghz. Not sure what the timings are.
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/prod...aspx?pid=2995#

tangletail · 10-21-11, 10:32 PM

That is kinda slow... But then again, ram does not really impact your performance to badly maybe sacrificing two frames per second.... unless you have some ridiculously slow ones. The only time I have seen ram become a bottle neck is when you have only less then a gigabyte.

muddocktor · 10-22-11, 09:31 AM

Just a suggestion for you to think about here. Your board does provide support for a Thuban, but if you plan overclocking it I would put some sinks on the power fets around the socket. That hex core will really pull some amps overclocking and if you don't add a way for them to help get rid of heat, they could very well cook off and kill the board. Something like these little Enzotech jewels should do nicely for the 15 or so fets around the socket.

notJUSTguitar · 11-15-11, 05:16 PM

I know this is a VERY late reply, but-
The 1090T works great in my motherboard.
WEI score of 7.5.
My ram with my old CPU scored 7.1.
Now it scores 7.5 with the 1090T.

There is a weird problem when overclocking though...probably a BIOS bug.
If I overclock (just using the multiplyer) past 3.6Ghz, it shows up as a single core when it boots (and runs really bad too as if it were a single core).
If I overclock it higher then that in AMD Overdrive, it will stay a 6 core and have the frequency I set it to. However, when I reboot, it shows up as a single core.
So, i've gotten it stable at 3.6Ghz, and 4Ghz turbo.
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Muddoktor:
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check into getting those.

Crestline3 · 11-16-11, 12:04 AM

I would turn off turbo if I were you. I've had better experiences overclocking the 1090t with cool n quiet, C1E, spread spectrum and turbo disabled.

notJUSTguitar · 11-19-11, 09:27 PM

Thanks Crestline, I disabled all of them and am no longer having the problem!

Crestline3 · 11-19-11, 10:42 PM

glad everything worked out for you

psb962 · 11-20-11, 01:02 PM

I have a 1090T and the value of it to me isnt ultimate speed, but the ability to have loads of stuff open at once and not see any slowdown. I turned off the turbo, C1E, cool & quiet, and spread spectrum, and run it at 3.6 all the time. If I give it a torture test on all six cores the temp goes above 55 after about 3 minutes, but in normal use that never happens, so I decided not to upgrade the cooler. Great CPU for a great price.

notJUSTguitar · 11-20-11, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by psb962

I have a 1090T and the value of it to me isnt ultimate speed, but the ability to have loads of stuff open at once and not see any slowdown. I turned off the turbo, C1E, cool & quiet, and spread spectrum, and run it at 3.6 all the time. If I give it a torture test on all six cores the temp goes above 55 after about 3 minutes, but in normal use that never happens, so I decided not to upgrade the cooler. Great CPU for a great price.

Yea the 1090T is great. On my old athlon dual core, it would freeze up a lot as I usually have a ton of stuff open at once.
I usually have it at 3.6Ghz, as the temps stay under 60C while stress testing.
It seems to run stable at 4Ghz, but the temps get to high to stress test it for very long.
I usually set it to 4Ghz for benching and stuff like that.

psb962 · 11-20-11, 02:09 PM

You should keep the temps under 55 to avoid damaging one or more cores. I see you have vcore at 1.5v - that's why its hot - I don't think going over 1.45v is a good idea.

Crestline3 · 11-20-11, 04:36 PM

What cooler are you using notjustguitar? A real good air cooler should be able to keep a 4Ghz oveclock fairly cool. Also for 4Ghz 1.5V is too high like said above. I'd back it down to around 1.47-1.48 and that should be more than sufficient for 4GHz, if it's still running above 55C i'd back that OC down as your liable to do some damage to the chip like guy above me said already.

trents · 11-20-11, 06:17 PM

Unlike the Denebs, the Thubans don't see to benefit from vcore above about 1.475. Once you get past there they really heat up.

Crestline3 · 11-20-11, 07:01 PM

Yes I know I have both a deneb 965 and 1090t and know the difference very well. If you read most peoples settings for their 1090t they are typically at least 1.45V not 1.45 max. Most that I have seen are around like I said 1.47-1.48 to get truly stable. It all depends on the chip their are no ideals. In a perfect world 1.45v would be the perfect number for everyone, but it definately is not. For instance my 1090t is on water with great temps, I am at 4.1GHz and running 1.48 volts prime stable anything under and prime crashes even though temps stay around the 40C mark it still crashes. Same settings were used at the 4GHz mark and I am on water he is not. So if he can't get his
4GHz stable with less than 1.48 I personally think he's not going to get it because his temps as of now are way too high.

10-20-11, 01:35 PM	Thread Starter #1
notJUSTguitar Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MN, USA	Upgrading to Hexacore on AM2+ mobo Hey everyone. I've been running this system for 2 years now: Gigabyte MA-78GM-US2H (rev 1.0) AMD Athlon 64 x2 7850BE @2.8Ghz. XFX Radeon HD 5550 (DDR2 version) WD Cavier black 640GB hard drive (SATA III/64 cache version). I also bought an OCZ Vertex 2 SSD a month ago. The motherboard supports the Phenom II x6 CPUs with the latest BIOS. I'm wondering if anybody has run any on this board or similar boards? And, would the performance be as good as on an AM3 board? Also does anybody know how well it would overclock on my board? (I want to overclock it as far as I can on the stock heatsink) I'm still in high school so I don't have enough money to build a whole new system, but would love to have a better CPU. Thanks! __________________ i7 2600K 4.6Ghz @ 1.3V (56x chip) Asus Maximus IV Gene-z/GEN3 Z68 MSI R7970 Lightning 8GB G.Skill Sniper 1866Mhz WD 640GB & 1TB Cavier Black OCZ 700W ModXtreme Pro PSU Asus VH232H 23" LCD x3 in eyefinity/6036X1080 Resolution Retired AMD Rig AMD Phenom II 1090T \| GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-US2H (Rev. 1) \| XFX Radeon HD6970 \| \| 4GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 memory running at 1066Mhz \| OCZ VERTEX 2 60GB SSD \| WD 640GB \| Cavier Black SATA III/64MB Cache \| OCZ 700W PSU \| HP-Debranded 23" 1080P LCD
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10-20-11, 01:57 PM	#2
EarthDog Senior PITA Member Overclockers.com Editor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Stuck in Maryland...	The performance would be the same. Not sure how fat you could overclock on that chipset/board or with the stock heatsink, a couple hundred mhz I assume though... __________________ Should I R0 my SSD? / Sandy/Ivybridge Overclocking Guide / Haswell Overclocking Guide / AMD Overclocking Guide / Power Supply Guide SSD Reliability/Write Endurance / JOIN THE BENCHING TEAM! / Bulldozer Overclocking Guide Want to see your writing featured on the overclockers.com Front Page? PM me, I can help! "We have more information and more ways of accessing it than ever, yet seem increasingly less inclined to do so."- Michael Wilbon
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10-20-11, 02:08 PM	Thread Starter #3
notJUSTguitar Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MN, USA	Thanks for the reply. What thuban would you suggest I get? Of course the 1090t would be easier to overclock because of the unlocked multiplier. Would a 1055t for sure get to 3.4Ghz or more? I'm worried I wouldn't be able to overclock that high from stock with my older motherboard. Oh, and do you think that the price will go down in the next few weeks now that the FXs are out? __________________ i7 2600K 4.6Ghz @ 1.3V (56x chip) Asus Maximus IV Gene-z/GEN3 Z68 MSI R7970 Lightning 8GB G.Skill Sniper 1866Mhz WD 640GB & 1TB Cavier Black OCZ 700W ModXtreme Pro PSU Asus VH232H 23" LCD x3 in eyefinity/6036X1080 Resolution Retired AMD Rig AMD Phenom II 1090T \| GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-US2H (Rev. 1) \| XFX Radeon HD6970 \| \| 4GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 memory running at 1066Mhz \| OCZ VERTEX 2 60GB SSD \| WD 640GB \| Cavier Black SATA III/64MB Cache \| OCZ 700W PSU \| HP-Debranded 23" 1080P LCD
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10-21-11, 05:01 PM	Thread Starter #4
notJUSTguitar Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MN, USA	I just ordered the Phenom II 1090T. It will be here early next week. I'll post back how it works out, and If I need any help with overclocking it. Thanks __________________ i7 2600K 4.6Ghz @ 1.3V (56x chip) Asus Maximus IV Gene-z/GEN3 Z68 MSI R7970 Lightning 8GB G.Skill Sniper 1866Mhz WD 640GB & 1TB Cavier Black OCZ 700W ModXtreme Pro PSU Asus VH232H 23" LCD x3 in eyefinity/6036X1080 Resolution Retired AMD Rig AMD Phenom II 1090T \| GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-US2H (Rev. 1) \| XFX Radeon HD6970 \| \| 4GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 memory running at 1066Mhz \| OCZ VERTEX 2 60GB SSD \| WD 640GB \| Cavier Black SATA III/64MB Cache \| OCZ 700W PSU \| HP-Debranded 23" 1080P LCD
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10-21-11, 06:30 PM	#5
tangletail Member Join Date: Jun 2011	aren't the phenom II 1090 and up AM3?
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10-21-11, 06:55 PM	#7
tangletail Member Join Date: Jun 2011	Uh.... I am pretty sure that is no where near possible... I dunno... they did release a bio update so that must mean it will work... like Asus with crosshair IV. If it does work you may run into some conflicting issues... because DDR2 may pretty much bottleneck you at that point on that processor. So.... go for it bro!
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10-21-11, 07:09 PM	Thread Starter #8
notJUSTguitar Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MN, USA	Yea, AM3 CPUs physically fit in AM2+ socket. Yea I hope DDR2 isn't a bottleneck. I have 4GB running at 1066Ghz. Not sure what the timings are. http://www.gigabyte.us/products/prod...aspx?pid=2995# __________________ i7 2600K 4.6Ghz @ 1.3V (56x chip) Asus Maximus IV Gene-z/GEN3 Z68 MSI R7970 Lightning 8GB G.Skill Sniper 1866Mhz WD 640GB & 1TB Cavier Black OCZ 700W ModXtreme Pro PSU Asus VH232H 23" LCD x3 in eyefinity/6036X1080 Resolution Retired AMD Rig AMD Phenom II 1090T \| GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-US2H (Rev. 1) \| XFX Radeon HD6970 \| \| 4GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 memory running at 1066Mhz \| OCZ VERTEX 2 60GB SSD \| WD 640GB \| Cavier Black SATA III/64MB Cache \| OCZ 700W PSU \| HP-Debranded 23" 1080P LCD
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10-21-11, 10:32 PM	#9
tangletail Member Join Date: Jun 2011	That is kinda slow... But then again, ram does not really impact your performance to badly maybe sacrificing two frames per second.... unless you have some ridiculously slow ones. The only time I have seen ram become a bottle neck is when you have only less then a gigabyte.
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10-22-11, 09:31 AM	#10
muddocktor Retired Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: New Iberia, LA	Just a suggestion for you to think about here. Your board does provide support for a Thuban, but if you plan overclocking it I would put some sinks on the power fets around the socket. That hex core will really pull some amps overclocking and if you don't add a way for them to help get rid of heat, they could very well cook off and kill the board. Something like these little Enzotech jewels should do nicely for the 15 or so fets around the socket.
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11-15-11, 05:16 PM	Thread Starter #11
notJUSTguitar Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MN, USA	I know this is a VERY late reply, but- The 1090T works great in my motherboard. WEI score of 7.5. My ram with my old CPU scored 7.1. Now it scores 7.5 with the 1090T. There is a weird problem when overclocking though...probably a BIOS bug. If I overclock (just using the multiplyer) past 3.6Ghz, it shows up as a single core when it boots (and runs really bad too as if it were a single core). If I overclock it higher then that in AMD Overdrive, it will stay a 6 core and have the frequency I set it to. However, when I reboot, it shows up as a single core. So, i've gotten it stable at 3.6Ghz, and 4Ghz turbo. ------------- Muddoktor: Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check into getting those. __________________ i7 2600K 4.6Ghz @ 1.3V (56x chip) Asus Maximus IV Gene-z/GEN3 Z68 MSI R7970 Lightning 8GB G.Skill Sniper 1866Mhz WD 640GB & 1TB Cavier Black OCZ 700W ModXtreme Pro PSU Asus VH232H 23" LCD x3 in eyefinity/6036X1080 Resolution Retired AMD Rig AMD Phenom II 1090T \| GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-US2H (Rev. 1) \| XFX Radeon HD6970 \| \| 4GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 memory running at 1066Mhz \| OCZ VERTEX 2 60GB SSD \| WD 640GB \| Cavier Black SATA III/64MB Cache \| OCZ 700W PSU \| HP-Debranded 23" 1080P LCD
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11-16-11, 12:04 AM	#12
Crestline3 Registered Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: DE	I would turn off turbo if I were you. I've had better experiences overclocking the 1090t with cool n quiet, C1E, spread spectrum and turbo disabled.
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11-19-11, 09:27 PM	Thread Starter #13
notJUSTguitar Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MN, USA	Thanks Crestline, I disabled all of them and am no longer having the problem! __________________ i7 2600K 4.6Ghz @ 1.3V (56x chip) Asus Maximus IV Gene-z/GEN3 Z68 MSI R7970 Lightning 8GB G.Skill Sniper 1866Mhz WD 640GB & 1TB Cavier Black OCZ 700W ModXtreme Pro PSU Asus VH232H 23" LCD x3 in eyefinity/6036X1080 Resolution Retired AMD Rig AMD Phenom II 1090T \| GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-US2H (Rev. 1) \| XFX Radeon HD6970 \| \| 4GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 memory running at 1066Mhz \| OCZ VERTEX 2 60GB SSD \| WD 640GB \| Cavier Black SATA III/64MB Cache \| OCZ 700W PSU \| HP-Debranded 23" 1080P LCD
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11-19-11, 10:42 PM	#14
Crestline3 Registered Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: DE	glad everything worked out for you
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11-20-11, 01:02 PM	#15
psb962 Registered Join Date: Jan 2005	I have a 1090T and the value of it to me isnt ultimate speed, but the ability to have loads of stuff open at once and not see any slowdown. I turned off the turbo, C1E, cool & quiet, and spread spectrum, and run it at 3.6 all the time. If I give it a torture test on all six cores the temp goes above 55 after about 3 minutes, but in normal use that never happens, so I decided not to upgrade the cooler. Great CPU for a great price. __________________ AMD Phenom II X6 1090T @ 3.6GHz, 1.30v Thermalright SI-120 Cooler Gigabyte 880GA-UD3H BFG 9600GT 8GB Kingston Hyper-X DDR3-1600 Western Digital 500GB Antec Trupower Trio 550W Windows 7 64-bit
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11-20-11, 02:09 PM	#17
psb962 Registered Join Date: Jan 2005	You should keep the temps under 55 to avoid damaging one or more cores. I see you have vcore at 1.5v - that's why its hot - I don't think going over 1.45v is a good idea. __________________ AMD Phenom II X6 1090T @ 3.6GHz, 1.30v Thermalright SI-120 Cooler Gigabyte 880GA-UD3H BFG 9600GT 8GB Kingston Hyper-X DDR3-1600 Western Digital 500GB Antec Trupower Trio 550W Windows 7 64-bit
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11-20-11, 04:36 PM	#18
Crestline3 Registered Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: DE	What cooler are you using notjustguitar? A real good air cooler should be able to keep a 4Ghz oveclock fairly cool. Also for 4Ghz 1.5V is too high like said above. I'd back it down to around 1.47-1.48 and that should be more than sufficient for 4GHz, if it's still running above 55C i'd back that OC down as your liable to do some damage to the chip like guy above me said already.
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11-20-11, 06:17 PM	#19
trents Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Centralia, WA	Unlike the Denebs, the Thubans don't see to benefit from vcore above about 1.475. Once you get past there they really heat up. __________________ Custom built desktop #1: Phenom II X4 960T Zosma unlocked to 6 cores/4.0 ghz/Noctua D14 CPU cooler/GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x4gb/Asus M5A97 motherboard/Coolermaster HAF 912/case/OCZ 750W PSU/Nvidia 8800 GTS 640mb GPU/WD Caviar Black 500 GB hard drive Custom built desktop #2: PII X4 955 4.1 ghz, Asus M5A97 motherboard, Coolermaster Hyper 212 plus, Nvidia Geforce 220 video card, Enermax 465W PSU, 2x2gb PNY 1600 ram. Toshiba SatelliteL775 laptop/17.3" display, AMD 3400M APU, 8 gb of 1333 Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me". John 14:6
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11-20-11, 07:01 PM	#20
Crestline3 Registered Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: DE	Yes I know I have both a deneb 965 and 1090t and know the difference very well. If you read most peoples settings for their 1090t they are typically at least 1.45V not 1.45 max. Most that I have seen are around like I said 1.47-1.48 to get truly stable. It all depends on the chip their are no ideals. In a perfect world 1.45v would be the perfect number for everyone, but it definately is not. For instance my 1090t is on water with great temps, I am at 4.1GHz and running 1.48 volts prime stable anything under and prime crashes even though temps stay around the 40C mark it still crashes. Same settings were used at the 4GHz mark and I am on water he is not. So if he can't get his 4GHz stable with less than 1.48 I personally think he's not going to get it because his temps as of now are way too high.
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