Notices

Overclockers Forums > Hardware > Video Cards > AMD (ATI) GPUs
AMD (ATI) GPUs
Forum Jump

AMD Radeon HD 7970 Graphics Card Review

Post Reply New Thread Subscribe Search this Thread
 
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-21-11, 11:01 PM Thread Starter   #1
Overclockers.com

 
Overclockers.com's Avatar 

Join Date: Nov 1998

 
AMD Radeon HD 7970 Graphics Card Review



Quote:
Welcome to another AMD-releases-new-architecture review. Hopefully this one will go a bit better than the last one. Bulldozer was a disappointment to many. While I still hold it's a solid CPU for the price point AMD set (but not current over-inflated retail prices), it definitely wasn't the jump over Thuban everyone wanted it to be.

Enter Southern Islands and Graphics Core Next (GCN), a fundamental change to AMD's approach to graphics processing. Will it struggle like AMD's last fundamental change or will it rise above and be crowned the new king of graphics cores? Let's find out, shall we?
... Return to article to continue reading.
Overclockers.com is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-21-11, 11:06 PM   #2
Brolloks
Benching Senior on Siesta
Premium Member #8



 
Brolloks's Avatar 

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Land of Long Horns

 
Very impressive, not as strong as I had hoped given the price tag but still a great offering from AMD, now the wait to get my hands on it.

Great review Hokie as always, looks like you had loads of fun

Brolloks is offline Author Profile Benching Profile Heatware Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-21-11, 11:13 PM   #3
hokiealumnus
Water Cooled Moderator
Overclockers.com Lead Editor

 
hokiealumnus's Avatar 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Raleigh, NC

 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brolloks View Post
Very impressive, not as strong as I had hoped given the price tag but still a great offering from AMD, now the wait to get my hands on it.

Great review Hokie as always, looks like you had loads of fun
Thanks! It was a wild six days. The only thing that would have been better is if there were voltage control.

__________________

Enjoy benchmarks? Join the benching team! | New to water cooling? Read the Beginner's Guide to Water Cooling Your PC.

xsuperbgx - "As a wise man once said: "Less talky. More clocky."" | cyberfish - "When overclocked, it's undefined behavior."
I.M.O.G. - "Vaseline on Ivy Bridge is a bad idea. But not so bad of an idea that it can't be fixed with a torpedo heater, a dishwasher, an oven, and a few hours. "

\m/ OverClockers mATX L33T Club \m/ - Join Now! - My mITX Build
hokiealumnus is offline Author Profile Benching Profile Heatware Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-21-11, 11:16 PM   #4
Brolloks
Benching Senior on Siesta
Premium Member #8



 
Brolloks's Avatar 

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Land of Long Horns

 
The OC on that card at stock volts is really impressive, with a few extra volts it should easily get to 1200-1300 on the core, very promising indeed, and that is with initial drivers as well !!

Brolloks is offline Author Profile Benching Profile Heatware Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-21-11, 11:21 PM   #5
zitnik
Member

 
zitnik's Avatar 

Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Michigan

 
Good review, Hokie. That card is a monster. If I hadn't bought these 570s I'd probably be going for that beast. I can't believe how badly it just wrecks the 580. What I thought was most impressive is how close it's performance is to a 6990, not too far off.

Amazing looking card.

__________________
|NZXT Phantom
|ASUS Sabertooth 990FX
|AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 4.21 Ghz
|eVGA GTX 570 SC + MSI GTX 570
|
G.Skill Ripjaws X 8GB DDR3-1333
|Crucial M4 64GB SSD
|WD Cavair Black 2TB
|Corsair Tx850v2
zitnik is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-21-11, 11:23 PM   #6
Bobnova
Senior Member



 
Bobnova's Avatar 

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Humboldt

 
It's not as good as I hoped, but better than I expected.

I can't wait for voltage control OCing results


Too bad it's about $400 too expensive for me.

__________________
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." -- Einstein (maybe)

Thinking about an Asus motherboard? Think again.

How to check your PSU with a multimeter.

17bXw5t51rEBXGavJFMJsC8g7HQgThUGc7
Bobnova is offline Author Profile Benching Profile Folding Profile Heatware Profile Rosetta Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-21-11, 11:33 PM   #7
Ivy
Member

 
Ivy's Avatar 

Join Date: Jun 2011

 
Being able to reach such high frequencys surely is totaly unique to the GPU history and i could guess that many OCers will have fun with trying to get the max out possible and bragging around with achieved GPU clocks. The full potential is surely not revealed yet and i would say it was a nice christmas present and im surely fine with, good news. It can always be stronger but i never expected more than that. I did not even expect a release for this year (although a very limited one). Considering all the issues AMD have had recently, its surely a nice surprise to show the beating of the mighty 580 GTX just short time before X-mas, that stuff was pretty successful.

From the raw overview i currently got, at DX 9+10 it might be 5-10% stronger in overall but not much more than that. However on DX11 its clearly stronger, about 20 % in many cases. It seems that the GPU simply is optimized very strong for DX11 performance, which seems fine as long as it can be equal or even a small bit above on other DX stuff at least, and thats surely possible. After all we still know way to less, guess we will have a X-mas full of testing.

__________________
Most important values: Quality>Price/Performance>Noise Level>GFLOPS/cm3>GFLOPS/W

Screen/Audio: Panasonic Plasma @1080P + Onkyo NR609. Computer Series Gen Alpha: Every PC may act as a backup for another one.
Gamer PC: Shuttle SZ77R5 (SFF) modded/I5 3570K @4 Ghz/7870 DCII @1150/1400/Gskill 2x8 GB @1600,1.5V,9,9,9,24, 2T/120 + 240 GB OCZ Vertex 3 MI V. 2.22/750 GB WD 7500BPKT/LiteOn SH-D163B
Workstation: Gigabyte GA-X58A-OC/I7 990X (stock)/6950 FLEX 2GB (stock)/Mushkin 3x4 GB @1600,1.5V, 9,9,9,24, 1T/128 GB Crucial M4 V. 0309/4 TB Hitachi, 2 TB WD RE4/Seasonic X-850/Lian Li PC-C60/NH-C12P SE14/LiteOn IHBS112
HTPC: Asrock Extreme 4-M/I7 3930K (stock)/650Ti AMP! 2GB (stock)/Gskill 4x4 GB @1600,1.5V, 9,9,9,24, 1T/128 GB Samsung 840 PRO/4 TB Hitachi, 2 TB WD Green/Corsair 1200i/Lian Li PC-V354/Phanteks TH-TC14CS/Pioneer BDR-207EBK

Last edited by Ivy; 12-22-11 at 12:02 AM.
Ivy is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-21-11, 11:36 PM   #8
kskwerl
Member

 
kskwerl's Avatar 

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: New Jersey

 
Awesome review, can't wait to get my hands on one of these!

__________________
Case: Corsair 800D
Motherboard: ASUS Maximus IV Extreme Z
CPU: 2500k @ Stock (Custom WC Loop)
Memory: Mushkin Enhanced Radioactive 8GB @ 1600
HD: Crucial M4 64GB (OS) | 300GB WD Raptor
Video Card: XFX HD 4870 (for now)
PSU: Corsair HX850
kskwerl is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-21-11, 11:49 PM   #9
Ivy
Member

 
Ivy's Avatar 

Join Date: Jun 2011

 
Well, they aswell will have to optimize drivers (and devs can optimize software), which are surely not fully optimized yet, i dont think that the last word is spoken yet, testing will keep people stunned and tuned.

__________________
Most important values: Quality>Price/Performance>Noise Level>GFLOPS/cm3>GFLOPS/W

Screen/Audio: Panasonic Plasma @1080P + Onkyo NR609. Computer Series Gen Alpha: Every PC may act as a backup for another one.
Gamer PC: Shuttle SZ77R5 (SFF) modded/I5 3570K @4 Ghz/7870 DCII @1150/1400/Gskill 2x8 GB @1600,1.5V,9,9,9,24, 2T/120 + 240 GB OCZ Vertex 3 MI V. 2.22/750 GB WD 7500BPKT/LiteOn SH-D163B
Workstation: Gigabyte GA-X58A-OC/I7 990X (stock)/6950 FLEX 2GB (stock)/Mushkin 3x4 GB @1600,1.5V, 9,9,9,24, 1T/128 GB Crucial M4 V. 0309/4 TB Hitachi, 2 TB WD RE4/Seasonic X-850/Lian Li PC-C60/NH-C12P SE14/LiteOn IHBS112
HTPC: Asrock Extreme 4-M/I7 3930K (stock)/650Ti AMP! 2GB (stock)/Gskill 4x4 GB @1600,1.5V, 9,9,9,24, 1T/128 GB Samsung 840 PRO/4 TB Hitachi, 2 TB WD Green/Corsair 1200i/Lian Li PC-V354/Phanteks TH-TC14CS/Pioneer BDR-207EBK
Ivy is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 12:18 AM   #10
ssjwizard
Has slightly less legible writing
than Thideras, Member

 
ssjwizard's Avatar 

Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Rio Rancho, NM

10 Year Badge
 
With the heavily revamped compute oriented design they put into these new GPUs I bet that they are F@H monsters.

__________________
Life is what you make of it, we exist for the sole purpose of existing. Dont waste the universe efforts!
All statements, imagery, and ideas contained within any posts are merely retold tales of fictional acts by a figment of the universe imagination.

So your looking for an AMD FX motherboard, things you need to know. Whats the max safe temps/volts for an FX?

Green Gorilla, CM 690-II nVidia, FX 8320, GTX 670, liquid cooled
Liquid Fusion, CM 690-II, A8+6670 Dual GFX, liquid cooled
Extreme evaporative water loop 450mm^3 water cooled beast - Incomplete
ssjwizard is offline Benching Profile Folding Profile Heatware Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 12:26 AM   #11
Ivy
Member

 
Ivy's Avatar 

Join Date: Jun 2011

 
I think 4 of those (quadfire) will soon become the new "worlds fastest PC", combined with a dual CPU board. The compute power surely is never seen before for a single chip, about 3.8 Teraflops each GPU, its totaly crazy and will take a while till we see a counterattack.

__________________
Most important values: Quality>Price/Performance>Noise Level>GFLOPS/cm3>GFLOPS/W

Screen/Audio: Panasonic Plasma @1080P + Onkyo NR609. Computer Series Gen Alpha: Every PC may act as a backup for another one.
Gamer PC: Shuttle SZ77R5 (SFF) modded/I5 3570K @4 Ghz/7870 DCII @1150/1400/Gskill 2x8 GB @1600,1.5V,9,9,9,24, 2T/120 + 240 GB OCZ Vertex 3 MI V. 2.22/750 GB WD 7500BPKT/LiteOn SH-D163B
Workstation: Gigabyte GA-X58A-OC/I7 990X (stock)/6950 FLEX 2GB (stock)/Mushkin 3x4 GB @1600,1.5V, 9,9,9,24, 1T/128 GB Crucial M4 V. 0309/4 TB Hitachi, 2 TB WD RE4/Seasonic X-850/Lian Li PC-C60/NH-C12P SE14/LiteOn IHBS112
HTPC: Asrock Extreme 4-M/I7 3930K (stock)/650Ti AMP! 2GB (stock)/Gskill 4x4 GB @1600,1.5V, 9,9,9,24, 1T/128 GB Samsung 840 PRO/4 TB Hitachi, 2 TB WD Green/Corsair 1200i/Lian Li PC-V354/Phanteks TH-TC14CS/Pioneer BDR-207EBK
Ivy is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 12:31 AM   #12
pwnmachine
Member

 
pwnmachine's Avatar 

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Alberta, Canada

 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
I think 4 of those will soon become the new "worlds fastest PC", combined with a dual CPU board. The compute power surely is never seen before for a single chip, about 3.8 Teraflops each GPU, its totaly crazy and will take a while till we see a counterattack.
I agree, I just hope we can sort out the quadfire woes. Nonetheless a trifire setup with 3 of these badboys =

__________________
i5 2500k @ 4.8 gHz. 1.3v..................Q9650 @ 4.0 gHz.
Kingston Hyper 1600mHz 4gb..........XMS3 1600mHz 4gb
Asus P8P67 Pro B3...........................790i Ultra FTW
XFX 5970 BE + XFX 5850..................GTX 260 2xSLI
CM Hyper 212/Thermalright HR-03...Scythe Mugen II
CM Cosmos S Modified......................NZXT H2
Custom Maple Gaming Case
pwnmachine is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 12:39 AM   #13
Ivy
Member

 
Ivy's Avatar 

Join Date: Jun 2011

 
Well, even trifire is probably able to be comparable on DX11 extreme preset (which is theyr strong spot), we dont know how much those chips can still be overclocked. Overclockers from what i know didnt use voltage mods still, i truly wonder what will happen when we squeeze them out like a tomato... I wish i could have the fun...
In term 3 of them beats (or are at least equal) 4 GTX580, its very remarkable, because much lesser power needed, thats advancement.

The only thing which is a bit sad is that it was a "paper launch", since we cant get them in stores right now (if so, only a handful). However, i do have understanding on that matter since AMD simply wanted to spread the news as fast as possible. Some users might take it bad but most of them should see it as something positive, since it surely was able to sweeten theyr Xmas, with or without physical card. I hope people can actually get them in the first two weeks of next year!

__________________
Most important values: Quality>Price/Performance>Noise Level>GFLOPS/cm3>GFLOPS/W

Screen/Audio: Panasonic Plasma @1080P + Onkyo NR609. Computer Series Gen Alpha: Every PC may act as a backup for another one.
Gamer PC: Shuttle SZ77R5 (SFF) modded/I5 3570K @4 Ghz/7870 DCII @1150/1400/Gskill 2x8 GB @1600,1.5V,9,9,9,24, 2T/120 + 240 GB OCZ Vertex 3 MI V. 2.22/750 GB WD 7500BPKT/LiteOn SH-D163B
Workstation: Gigabyte GA-X58A-OC/I7 990X (stock)/6950 FLEX 2GB (stock)/Mushkin 3x4 GB @1600,1.5V, 9,9,9,24, 1T/128 GB Crucial M4 V. 0309/4 TB Hitachi, 2 TB WD RE4/Seasonic X-850/Lian Li PC-C60/NH-C12P SE14/LiteOn IHBS112
HTPC: Asrock Extreme 4-M/I7 3930K (stock)/650Ti AMP! 2GB (stock)/Gskill 4x4 GB @1600,1.5V, 9,9,9,24, 1T/128 GB Samsung 840 PRO/4 TB Hitachi, 2 TB WD Green/Corsair 1200i/Lian Li PC-V354/Phanteks TH-TC14CS/Pioneer BDR-207EBK

Last edited by Ivy; 12-22-11 at 01:04 AM.
Ivy is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 01:32 AM   #14
Bassplayer
Registered

 
Bassplayer's Avatar 

Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Louisville, Kentucky

 
Hokie... any ideas on subzero performance? Is that coming in the near future?
Bassplayer is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 01:52 AM   #15
I.M.O.G.
Glorious Leader

 
I.M.O.G.'s Avatar 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Rootstown, OH

10 Year Badge
 
Hokie doesn't have a GPU pot, but I believe we have some other samples in the works as well as a loaner GPU pot floating around - so I'd call that a maybe? I'd be interested in helping make that happen.

__________________
The OC Forums Way
We are a team. We are a community. We are a fellowship made strong by mutual respect and shared dedication to the task of enriching all who come here.
The OC Forums Thank You Thread
Put your computer to work for our OC Forum Teams!
Try out our POST TEMPLATES, they save you time answering common questions!

I spend half my money on CPUs, GPUs, and Liquid Nitrogen. The other half I waste.
I.M.O.G. is offline Author Profile Benching Profile Folding Profile Heatware Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 01:56 AM   #16
David
Forums Super Moderator
Overclockers.com Lead Editor



 
David's Avatar 

Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Hiding from Americans and making pretty colours in a drybox in St Andrews

10 Year Badge
 
Nice review.

I only had time to skim it - are there any full SNB-E results? Unleash all the SNB-E cores, overclocked, with an overclocked 7970 then an overclocked 580. It should net you some pretty high scores, and give you an idea how the top (single card) set-up these days should perform?

I suspect of course that most people with SNB-E cash will not stop at one GPU

__________________
David J. Nelson MChem(Edin) PhD(Strath) MRSC [ResearcherID: D-3927-2011]
OC Forums Super Moderator // Overclockers.com Editor


The Workhorse: [Lenovo W510] Intel Core i7-720QM / 8 GB DDR3 / nVidia Quadro FX880M / Crucial M4 256 GB SSD / Windows 7
The HTPC/Server: AMD Phenom X4 9650 / 6 GB DDR2 / nVidia 8300 / 5 TB of HDDs / Antec Solo II Case / Windows 7
The Gaming Rig: AMD Llano A6-3650 / 4 GB DDR3 / nVidia GTX260 / 2x 500 GB HDD in RAID0 / Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Case / Windows 7
The Benchmarking Setup: Various LGA775 chips / Asus Rampage Formula / 2 GB OCZ 1066 MHz DDR2 / nVidia Quadro NVS 285 / 320 GB HDD / Windows 7

My research fellowship is eating all my time, so I may be slow to reply to emails and private messages.
David is offline Author Profile Benching Profile Folding Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 02:05 AM   #17
Ironsmack
Member



Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Toronto, ON

 
Looks like a great upgrade for me when IB hits retail shelf and 2 of these sexy cards

__________________
Gaming Rig:
-Swiffy 655 & 240 Rad, 480 EX XSPC Rad, Phobya 480 XT, Heatkiller rev. 3.0, EK D5 top rev.2, i7 3930k, 16 GB G.SKILL F3, Asus Rampage IV Extreme, (2) XFX 6950 w/ XPSC WB, Crucial M4 128GB & 240 GB Intel 530, (4) 3 TB Toshiba Drive, Corsair AX1200, Win 7 Ult 64-bit

HTPC Rig:
-AMD 1100T, Gigabyte UD5, 16 GB G.Skill RAM, Asus 650ti Boost, 500 GB WD Black, (5) 2 TB WD Green, (1) 1 TB Seagate HD, (1) 2 TB Samsung F4, Fractal Design R3, Antec 650 watt PS, Win 7 Ult 64-bit
Ironsmack is offline Heatware Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 02:12 AM   #18
pan1cattack
Member

 
pan1cattack's Avatar 

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Victoria, BC

 
Great review Hokie!

__________________
Current Rig:
CPU: Intel i5 2500k OC'd to 5.401GHz @1.685V
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 570 1GB OC'd to 955 core/1112mem/1910shader
Mobo: Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z
RAM: 8GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 1776MHz
Cooling: Corsair H80
Case: Corsair C70

All your base are belong to us.
http://hwbot.org/user/pan1cattack/
pan1cattack is offline Benching Profile   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 02:48 AM   #19
Ivy
Member

 
Ivy's Avatar 

Join Date: Jun 2011

 
Did they truly achieve 1125 MHZ only by using CCC and without any volt mods? I mean thats shocking to hear, forbidden stuff. 144 Gtexel each core? So in CF its close to 300 Gtexel? When i think about, AMDs Radeon placed a hard hit on Nvidia, i must say. It may not always look as good on the paper but i say again, we have to take into account that many games and drivers simply are not optimized for that GPU still, same counts for the used systems. Well, Merry Xmas and thanks to AMD for sharing, still. For me its to soon to buy another GPU, maybe on my next Ivy Bridge PC, so all i wanted is to hear enjoyable news. But im pretty sure the people who wanna buy the stuff will be provided with in a few weeks, just have some patience!

Thanks for review, great stuff, i truly had to gaze on it for some hours, i usualy dont do that. But it kinda was enjoyable to read in some way.

__________________
Most important values: Quality>Price/Performance>Noise Level>GFLOPS/cm3>GFLOPS/W

Screen/Audio: Panasonic Plasma @1080P + Onkyo NR609. Computer Series Gen Alpha: Every PC may act as a backup for another one.
Gamer PC: Shuttle SZ77R5 (SFF) modded/I5 3570K @4 Ghz/7870 DCII @1150/1400/Gskill 2x8 GB @1600,1.5V,9,9,9,24, 2T/120 + 240 GB OCZ Vertex 3 MI V. 2.22/750 GB WD 7500BPKT/LiteOn SH-D163B
Workstation: Gigabyte GA-X58A-OC/I7 990X (stock)/6950 FLEX 2GB (stock)/Mushkin 3x4 GB @1600,1.5V, 9,9,9,24, 1T/128 GB Crucial M4 V. 0309/4 TB Hitachi, 2 TB WD RE4/Seasonic X-850/Lian Li PC-C60/NH-C12P SE14/LiteOn IHBS112
HTPC: Asrock Extreme 4-M/I7 3930K (stock)/650Ti AMP! 2GB (stock)/Gskill 4x4 GB @1600,1.5V, 9,9,9,24, 1T/128 GB Samsung 840 PRO/4 TB Hitachi, 2 TB WD Green/Corsair 1200i/Lian Li PC-V354/Phanteks TH-TC14CS/Pioneer BDR-207EBK

Last edited by Ivy; 12-22-11 at 02:58 AM.
Ivy is offline   QUOTE Thanks
Old 12-22-11, 03:02 AM   #20
pwnmachine
Member

 
pwnmachine's Avatar 

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Alberta, Canada

 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
Did they truly achieve 1125 MHZ only by using CCC and without any volt mods? I mean thats shocking to hear, forbidden stuff. 144 Gtexel each core? So in CF its close to 300 Gtexel? When i think about, AMDs Radeon placed a hard hit on Nvidia, i must say. It may not always look as good on the paper but i say again, we have to take into account that many games and drivers simply are not optimized for that GPU still, same counts for the used systems. Well, Merry Xmas and thanks to AMD for sharing, still. For me its to soon to buy another GPU, maybe on my next Ivy Bridge PC, so all i wanted is to hear enjoyable news. But im pretty sure the people who wanna buy the stuff will be provided with in a few weeks, just have some patience!

Thanks for review, great stuff, i truly had to gaze on it for some hours, i usualy dont do that. But it kinda was enjoyable to read in some way.
My thoughts exactly, as always ati sets the standard.

__________________
i5 2500k @ 4.8 gHz. 1.3v..................Q9650 @ 4.0 gHz.
Kingston Hyper 1600mHz 4gb..........XMS3 1600mHz 4gb
Asus P8P67 Pro B3...........................790i Ultra FTW
XFX 5970 BE + XFX 5850..................GTX 260 2xSLI
CM Hyper 212/Thermalright HR-03...Scythe Mugen II
CM Cosmos S Modified......................NZXT H2
Custom Maple Gaming Case
pwnmachine is offline   QUOTE Thanks

Post Reply New Thread Subscribe


Overclockers Forums > Hardware > Video Cards > AMD (ATI) GPUs
AMD (ATI) GPUs
Forum Jump

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Mobile Skin
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:30 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
You can add these icons by updating your profile information to include your Heatware ID, Benching Profile ID or your Folding/SETI profile ID. Edit your profile!
X

Welcome to Overclockers.com

Create your username to jump into the discussion!

New members like you have made this the best community on the Internet since 1998!


(4 digit year)

Why Join Us?

  • Share experience
  • Max out your hardware
  • Best forum members anywhere
  • Customized forum experience

Already a member?