FSB Face-Off: ASUS A7V133 vs Iwill KK266

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SUMMARY: KT133A boards make FSB overclocking a real option; Iwill’s KK266 outperforms ASUS’s A7V133 by a significant margin.

Continuing our FSB tests on 133A motherboards, we purchased an ASUS A7V133 to test out. I earlier reviewed ABIT vs Iwill and thought a head-to-head test with the popular ASUS board would be interesting.

Since the 133A chipset is plug compatible to the 133, many of the boards that feature the 133A are basically the same 133 boards with a 133A chipset. ASUS’s 133A entry, the A7V133, is basically the A7V with a new chipset. I eyeballed each board and found one major difference: ASUS has now added active cooling to the Northbridge chip:

ASUS

I didn’t see any other major physical change (some small changes in the lower right hand side; also no audio). I do like the power transistor riser board as it serves to keep these hot chips off the motherboard proper for better CPU cooling. Also note that this opens up the CPU socket clearance quite a bit, especially compared to the cramped ABIT KT7A.

I did have problems with this board’s BIOS: For whatever reason, I just could not get the board to 133 MHz and 1.85 volts through BIOS. I tried a number of different approaches and none worked. Finally, I resorted to the A7V “fix”:

  • Set the CPU voltage jumpers to 1.85 volts
  • Set dipswitch 1’s 5 switches to “OFF”
  • Enable “Jumper Free” mode

With this setup, I could set FSBs and multipliers in BIOS, no problem. Well, I did have one problem: For whatever reason, setting FSB to 155 MHz would result in 150 MHz; 154 and 156 would read correctly. Another BIOS bug? Looks like the marketing guys at ASUS wanted the board out quickly.

If you are looking for basic features etc, just read any A7V review or ASUS’s website and you’ll get the idea.

The major difference, of course, is the KT133A chipset and its ability to run higher FSBs – the KT133 was crippled and rarely did I see anyone running a KT133 much over 110 FSB reliably. With 133 MHz a spec speed, FSBs greater than 133 MHz become really interesting. So the focus of this article is not a review per se but a test, a test to evaluate what might you reliably expect from high FSB performance between the ASUS A7V133 and the Iwill KK266.

TEST METHODOLOGY

To test FSB performance, I relied on a test suite marketed by UXD. More details on this test suite are given at the end of this article.

TEST RESULTS

First I ran some SiSandra, Quake and 3DMark2000 benchmarks to compare the ASUS and Iwill. These were run with 256 MB Crucial SDRAM, CAS2, with a T-Bird 750 running at 8×133 with a Leadtek GTS2:

Benchmark

ASUS A7V133

Iwill KK266

CPU/FPU

2989/1490

2966/1431

MultiMedia

3646/5000

3623/4968

Memory

495/574

518/568

Quake Fastest

147.7/139.8

156.5/152.9

3DMark 2000 800x600x16

8372

8866

Something interesting here – there is a significant performance difference between the two with the Iwill clearly jumping ahead. This is the same picture I saw against the ABIT KT7A – nice consistency! The Iwill was designed as a new board while the ASUS and ABIT boards are “retreads” – this might have something to do with this performance gap.

Next, I used the RAM Stress Test to see how far I could get with FSBs. I started this series at 7×150 and worked up, varying FSBs with the following results:

Mult/FSB

ASUS A7V133

Iwill KK266

6 x 150

PASS @ 7ns

PASS @ CAS2

6 x 155

PASS @ 7ns

PASS @ CAS3

6 x 160

FAIL @ CAS3

PASS @ CAS3

6 x 166

FAIL

FAIL

ASUS VIO @ 3.6v, Iwill @ 3.46v; ASUS @ 155 actually run @ 154 MHz; ASUS SDRAM settings were: 7ns/143 MHz and then CAS3; I also found that Iwill’s VIO setting at +10% yields 3.46 volts, a puzzle.

Iwill can hit higher FSBs than ASUS, with the usual caveat about single sample tests. I ran full board stress tests at 133 MHz on both boards without a hiccup, so don’t read these results as indicative of performance problems at that speed. However, there is no doubt that the Iwill KK266 can deliver reliably higher FSBs. Note, however, that at these speeds the PCI bus is starting to run at some hefty speeds; typically, sensitive peripherals like NICs and some hard drives really flake out.

For all practical purposes, FSBs beyond 160 MHz are marketing hype. In addition, it is quite likely that SDRAM at speeds much in excess of 133 MHz must run at lower settings, which slows down performance a bit.

SDRAM that is spec’d for 166 MHz has to run at 6ns; 200 MHz spec SDRAM has to run at 5ns. Right now we are seeing CAS2 PC133 @ 7ns from Crucial (7ns = 143 MHz). I would guess that widely available PC166 may be a while coming.

As an example of CAS2 vs CAS3 differences:

Iwill KK266, 7×133 MHz

Benchmark

CAS2

CAS3

Quake Fastest

148.1/144.4

144.9/141.5

Memory Bandwidth

512/581

495/541

Overall about a 2-3% performance difference; for almost all applications, not really noticeable. Even though CAS3 does exact a performance hit, it is outweighed by the higher memory bandwidth gains. For those of you curious about what to expect at 6.5×160 MHZ:

Iwill KK266, CAS3
Benchmark

6.5 x 160 = 1040 MHz

CPU/FPU

2893/1449

MultiMedia

3515/4854

Memory

629/684

Quake Fastest

165.6/162.3

3DMark 2000 800x600x16

9211

There ARE real performance advantages at higher FSBs.

CONCLUSIONS

The Iwill KK266 clearly outperforms the ASUS A7V133, even though their memory bandwidth scores are not that far apart. Considering these tests, I think the Iwill KK266 is setting the KT133A performance standard.

ASUS’s A7V133 is an acceptable board up to about 155 FSB, depending on RAM quality; However, the A7V133 exhibits some of the same quirks and BIOS bugs that the A7V did, which speaks to how closely the A7V133 shares its lineage to the A7V; I would have thought that ASUS had worked out these bugs by now. I assume that ASUS will work these bugs out with BIOS revisions, but if you must have an ASUS board, I would hold off until they do.

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UXD Diagnostic Suite

I used a diagnostic board called “PHD PCI” that stress tests all components on a motherboard; you can see more about it HERE. The company that makes it, Ultra-X, markets a series of hardware and software products for diagnosing PCs, and I also used Quick Tech Pro, a software test suite. What’s neat is I can run it in “Burn-in” mode which repeatedly tests each component on the board. Briefly, I tested the following:

  • System Board – Continuous loop testing verifies proper operation of CPU, FPU, DMA channels, interrupts, timers, BIOS, keyboard, and other I/O functions.
  • Bus / CPU Benchmarking including signals for: CLK, OSC, BALE, RAM Refresh rate.
  • RAM – Tests Critical RAM without using any of the motherboard installed memory. True low memory testing from address 0 to 1024k. Also tests Gate A-20, memory address / data lines, and refresh circuit.
  • Base RAM
  • Extended RAM – Twelve algorithm patterns and graphic mapping identify the exact failing module or chip.
  • Cache RAM – Multiple pattern algorithms are performed for accurate and reliable testing.
  • PCI Bus
  • I/O Port Monitor – Monitors all I/O ports from 0 to 3FFH.
  • LPT and COM Ports – Tests all serial and parallel ports.
  • RTC/CMOS RAM

Source: UXD.

The test suite covers much more, but for this test I concentrated on motherboard components and how it handles RAM at high bus speeds. For the RAM test, I used a product called RAM Stress Test. When you run it, it puts the RAM through a series of test algorithms including

“Stuck High and Low, Snake On and Off, Pseudo Random, Parity (Standard and Inverse), Walk Left (Standard and Inverse), Walk Right (Standard and Inverse), Checker Board (Standard and Inverse), ATS, MATS+, Marching C, Block Move, Leak (the most thorough RAM test available). It also tests the Data Bus, Address lines and Refresh Circuit.”

Now I can’t tell you what all that exactly does, but I can tell you that the RAM chips get fairly warm while all this is going on. I can also tell you that if the RAM fails this test, getting into Windows and running any intensive app is a problem. Where this really came in handy is for testing both boards at high FSBs to see what they can reliably handle.


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