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Foxie3a

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Basically, if overclocked, can I get the 1700 and match pretty much the performance of the 2500? I don't want to spend much.
 

AllGore

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Im pretty sure you can get barton 2500+ but not 1700+, ive got this feeling that the barton will be the winner if it is, but im not so sure how the 1700+ would overclock. On the core alone i would go with the barton due to the cache etc and so you would be able to get away with a smaller overclock to meet the proformance of a overclocked 1700+.
 

c627627

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It very much depends on which 1700+. Post the codes and we'll tell you.

Also post cooling and very important: the brand of power supply.

Type of mobo and brand of RAM would help too.


1700+ comes as Palomino, T-Bred A and T-Bred B.

There's a DUT3C and a DLT3C T-Bred B.

1700+ and 1800+ DLT3C B (not A) overclock the furthest with other choice components.

2500+ comes locke/unlocked so it depends on the type of RAM when you talk about locked 2500+s.

1700+ needs an extra 100 MHz to compete with 2500+s extra cache...
 

felinusz

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On average a DLT3C Thoroughbred "B" will overclock about 100 Mhz faster than a Barton. And a Barton will perform equivelant to a Thoroughbred that is 100 MHz faster.

So, get whichever is cheaper for you (if the 1700+ is a DLT3C "B" Stepping - otherwise it won't come close to meeting the rough rule I just laid out).

The Barton is "safer", as it is much easier to find, and almost guaranteed to hit at least 2200 MHz for you - but the new ones are multiplier locked, and more expensive.
 
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Foxie3a

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OK, from the classifieds I will try to get a DLT3C B..

Which RAM works the best for that? I will be using Nanya at first. Because that's what I have now.

All of those ^ are unlocked, right?

Antec True 430 I think.
 

Rutkus

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i've got both monster overclocker cpus, i would go with the 2500+ IF you find the right code and its unlocked. what else are you running as far as mobos and other hardware?
 
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NF7, ThermalRIGHT cooling, possible tornado. ;-)

Not sure about the ram yet, need your help on that..

and no, I want to keep all the possible money, that's why I am thinking the 1700...will I see a day and night difference?
 

felinusz

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No noticeable difference - except in benching :)

A Thoroughbred (1700+) in real-world performance is basically the same as a Barton of 100 MHz slower speed - so a 2300 MHz T-Bred 1700+ will feel about the same as a 2200 MHz Barton. Not that either will feel slow, or be a bottleneck in gaming ;)

Go for 2 X 256 of BH-5; Mushkin Black Level 2 PC 3500 being the cheapest, guaranteed BH-5. In Comparison my OCZ is CH-5, and does 233 MHz stably with 2.95 V - BH-5 is usually a lot better than CH-5 :)

What kind of PSu do you have? If your PSU is a decent brand name of a high-wattage, you should get about 2300-2400 MHz fairly easily with that setup - if you are willing to overvolt the processor Vcore.
 
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of course I'll be overvolting it.. Antec True 430 or whatever is what I plan on getting.

And no...not Mushkin L2..

it has to be cheaper than that, that's why I'm going AMD for a little bit.
 

felinusz

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You could go with some OCZ EL - it is CH-5 (AFAIK!), but my OCZ EL PC 3500 still does some fairly decent speeds at CAS2-3-3-7 timings without Volt mods on my NF7-S. The NF7-S overvolts the VDIMM - so 2.9 (highest selectable) in the BIOS Is 2.95 actual (according to MBM 5 anyways).

OCZ EL PC 3500 is pretty cheap as RAM rated at 217 goes, and should suit your needs.

You could also just buy the least expensive PC 3500 Rated at CAS 2 you can find on newegg. RAM guaranteed to do 217 at CAS 2 isn't shabby, and won't be in the way of a superb good overclock at all. And most PC 3500 will do at least 222 MHz at stock rated timings with some voltage.

If you are really, really not wanting to spend money, then just stick with some CAS 2 PC 3200, and take advantage of your multipliers instead of your FSB ;).
 
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I know how to overclock...I just don't know what RAM is good RAM.

Maybe I'll just find myself some Mushkin someday. But GOD knows I don't want to put anymore voltage into that little baby than necessary! lol
 

dalilman52

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felinusz said:
You could go with some OCZ EL - it is CH-5 (AFAIK!)

hmmmm ive always wondered...wat does AFAIK stand for?!?!

and for ram, go with winbond bh-5 chips, they are best for overclocking. in the memory section it has a sticky showing prices for the week's bh-5 prices..usually mushkin is cheapest, and they also overclock like a monster
 
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I was thinking about bh-5 this whole time.

Mushkin looks very nice. I am thinking about Mushkin 256 - Black L2 - PC3200.. That's 70. I think that I will be only single channel, I don't really care about memory bandwith a whole lot... ;-p

I like the 2500, and I WOULD get it, but the reason I'm not just buying an Intel machine is because the price, and buying a 90 dollar processor kinda defeats that purpose.

NF7-s...1700...Mushkin256L2...

sounds good to me...any objections?
 

billobob0

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Foxie3a said:
I was thinking about bh-5 this whole time.

Mushkin looks very nice. I am thinking about Mushkin 256 - Black L2 - PC3200.. That's 70. I think that I will be only single channel, I don't really care about memory bandwith a whole lot... ;-p

I like the 2500, and I WOULD get it, but the reason I'm not just buying an Intel machine is because the price, and buying a 90 dollar processor kinda defeats that purpose.

NF7-s...1700...Mushkin256L2...

sounds good to me...any objections?

The Kingston HyperX 3000 afaik is still being made with BH-5 chips, I ordered some last week and they came on wednesday, and they are BH-5. A pack of 2 256mb chips costs about $105 on newegg, they are currently the cheapest BH-5 chips on the market. Of course the Mushkins are guaranteed to run at a higher speed as far as the warranty goes, but the Kingston can't be beat for the price considering its the same chip.
 

Gautam

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Foxie3a said:
AFAIK?? what's that?

As Far As I Know

I strongly second billobob's suggestion. Kingston HyperX 3000 is by far your best bet. They rival or top the far pricier Mushkin sticks.
 
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I was unsure whether I wanted to look at your avatar, or read your post..lol

How is Buffalo though, are they atleast decent?