4070 Super

[Evilsizer]

new to me PNY 4070 Super, its a twin fan setup. Fan pwm shows at 66% a bit loud, load temps showing around 78-80c with hot spot going from 94-96c. watching it in GPUZ it shows the "percap reason" most of the time it is showing pink labeled thermals. Not sure why that would be, reading shows the temps are on the ok side. With serious throttling around 90c. I closed out MSI after burner since i noticed the clock speed profile is what the card followed so it was hitting 2.8ghz. with that closed out the max is a bit over 2.5ghz, with a low mid 2.4ghz speeds. No matter which speed it was at 2.4ghz to 2.8ghz, the voltage showed to be maxed at .985v. As i noted in another thread with a 4070 Ti the max clock was pegged all the time. I found out this is due to selecting max performance in the NV drivers, not sure why that would be. Using the other option, the gpu speed does down clock as it should. I either need to re-paste which may help temps or its just the HSF setup. Possibly the heatsink setup is a bit on the small side, considered get the asus dual. I do have some spare fans i could remove the fan/shroud. Find a way to get some 2 artic P9 mounted or get 2 P12 mounted on. this is the time i wish i had a 3d scanner to use on the fan/shroud then make a 3d printed one to mount either fan setup. If i got with the P12's they do not stick out much farther off the side of the PCB. doing that would then allow more airflow coverage over the hsf vs the P9's.

 

[freeagent]

I would grab a Thermalright Heilos pad, slap it in, deshroud that sucka, and run some man fans and beat that wimpy cooler into submission. I let my 4070Ti boost to just over 3GHz. Runs great. A fan on the backside might help if there is no backplate. I just try to flow as much air through my chassis as I can, it seems to help.

 

[rainless]

new to me PNY 4070 Super, its a twin fan setup. Fan pwm shows at 66% a bit loud, load temps showing around 78-80c with hot spot going from 94-96c. watching it in GPUZ it shows the "percap reason" most of the time it is showing pink labeled thermals. Not sure why that would be, reading shows the temps are on the ok side. With serious throttling around 90c. I closed out MSI after burner since i noticed the clock speed profile is what the card followed so it was hitting 2.8ghz. with that closed out the max is a bit over 2.5ghz, with a low mid 2.4ghz speeds. No matter which speed it was at 2.4ghz to 2.8ghz, the voltage showed to be maxed at .985v. As i noted in another thread with a 4070 Ti the max clock was pegged all the time. I found out this is due to selecting max performance in the NV drivers, not sure why that would be. Using the other option, the gpu speed does down clock as it should. I either need to re-paste which may help temps or its just the HSF setup. Possibly the heatsink setup is a bit on the small side, considered get the asus dual. I do have some spare fans i could remove the fan/shroud. Find a way to get some 2 artic P9 mounted or get 2 P12 mounted on. this is the time i wish i had a 3d scanner to use on the fan/shroud then make a 3d printed one to mount either fan setup. If i got with the P12's they do not stick out much farther off the side of the PCB. doing that would then allow more airflow coverage over the hsf vs the P9's.

Waaaaaiiiit a second... Before we get to the card, I've gotta ask:

Have you been here the WHOLE time??! :O

Maybe my memory's slipping... but I get the impression I haven't seen your stuff in like TEN YEARS... (I could just be forgetting... we're all getting older at this point... )

Anyway... I don't think you should hear any 4000 series fan at all, no?

I thought this was the least power-hungry RTX of them all...

 

[Evilsizer]

i have posted a bit more recently but not much overall. you would have thought this card would have been silent. GPUZ shows TCP around 170-180watts. that is why i think the HSF is on the smaller side for this noise and semi bad temps. Not sure how long the person had it but it its the bottom of the barrel paste then it needs some new stuff.

Freeagent,
I wound up buying some Upsiren 24w's from aliexpress. they are showing some huge discounts, i have 4 of each thickness(except the .5mm,only 1) on 100x100 sheets. I was thinking the 21w's would have been cheaper but only getting 2 of each cost as much as getting 4 and the 1. they have some graphene GDDR6x pads pretty marked down as well. Thought about picking a few of each up. Enough to break it up to 6pc's for the 4k/5k nv cards should people go down the route. Found a guy that did some testing the 24w's to the graphene pads is about 8.5c difference, under furmark load. Kind of wonder if i could get some money and get a load brought into the states. Without some cards on hand i would not know what thickness to get and i dont want to get some that would never sell. I think the graphene pads doubled up under m.2 sinks would be sweet! These are on amazon state side so depending on price, i would go, #1 Iceberg thermal drift ice/Iceberg thermal drift ice LT 15w, #3 would be down to price here: Thermaltake valor odin/Thermalright extreme odyssey 1/Kritical 20w/Aairhut 13w/Artic TP-3. I went through his list so here is why, #1 they are 2C apart, #2 all showing same temp roughly 0.4C of each other.

 

[freeagent]

I just spied an 80c hotspot temp after MSFS 2020.. I might have to try out some new pads.. I will be watching your progress

 

[Evilsizer]

well when mine was following the afterburner profile and hitting 2.8ghz with out much drop. temp was around 82-85c with hotspots around 104c. well i got enough Uprisen 24w pads coming!

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I either need to re-paste which may help temps or its just the HSF setup.

Re-paste will help, the dual cooler isn't great.
The XLR8 should have a 220w profile. It would be a 3ghz card then.
But still a super efficient F@H at 180w.

 

[Evilsizer]

Re-paste will help, the dual cooler isn't great.
The XLR8 should have a 220w profile. It would be a 3ghz card then.
But still a super efficient F@H at 180w.

YOU KNOW, i came across some DDR3-2400 ram. Two Gskill 16gb kits, 4 dimms, and recalled the X79. Now im looking one ebay at some! my god, i do not need to build another computer, 3 dual slots in one atx mobo. be pricy on dem cards though...

though now that you say that, i figured all the cards would be the 220watt limit. I guess i can not complain then the card is able to do 2.8ghz. with that low 0.985v or should it be able to do more with that voltage for going the cooler. which also made me wonder if i could find one of the 3 fan setups to swap on. only problem is, i need to make sure in my Fractual define mini c i can fit the card in with the AIO i have. I really want a push pull setup on it but i may settle for just push and mount it up top.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

YOU KNOW, i came across some DDR3-2400 ram. Two Gskill 16gb kits, 4 dimms, and recalled the X79. Now im looking one ebay at some! my god, i do not need to build another computer, 3 dual slots in one atx mobo. be pricy on dem cards though...

though now that you say that, i figured all the cards would be the 220watt limit. I guess i can not complain then the card is able to do 2.8ghz. with that low 0.985v or should it be able to do more with that voltage for going the cooler. which also made me wonder if i could find one of the 3 fan setups to swap on. only problem is, i need to make sure in my Fractual define mini c i can fit the card in with the AIO i have. I really want a push pull setup on it but i may settle for just push and mount it up top.

lol, that's what they make shoe horns for. Stuff it all in there.
Was thinking you could try and flash a 220w bios after you do a re-paste if them temps drop good enough.

 

[Evilsizer]

Re-paste will help, the dual cooler isn't great.
The XLR8 should have a 220w profile. It would be a 3ghz card then.
But still a super efficient F@H at 180w.

it is not a XLR8

PNY RTX 4070 SUPER VERTO Dual Fan OC Specs

NVIDIA AD104, 2490 MHz, 7168 Cores, 224 TMUs, 80 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Even so, using GPUZ it shows 220watt. What i find odd, is when playing games. Newest one being Hogwarts legacy or God of War, it hits 2.7ghz, vref 1.1v, board power 120watt to 140watt. That is not even near the 220watt they are showing, wtf is going on? It is not even running at what PNY is showing for gpu speeds. I am at a clear loss as to why it is running this way. I wonder if it has to do with changes made in MSI afterburner getting "saved" some how and using that. I wonder if it is pulling from the curve editor even though i did not change any thing. I wonder if it still gets used/saved, when all i wanted was to lower the power%

*Edit*
i wish i could figure out how to make the forum do pictures like the go ole days.

*Edit 2*
Even went looking to make sure the bios was not swapped.

PNY RTX 4070 Super VBIOS

12 GB GDDR6X, 1980 MHz GPU, 1313 MHz Memory

www.techpowerup.com

everything in GPUZ matches up the bios specs on that page. I am at a loss what the card is doing on its own. i still want to know why it is not doing the lower speed. how is it going to 2.7ghz with vref 1.1v automatically.

 

[EarthDog]

I am at a clear loss as to why it is running this way.

Does GPUz show any throttling reasons when that's happening?

i wish i could figure out how to make the forum do pictures like the go ole days.

Looks like you nailed it... and thank you. I'm a bit tired of looking at huge arse pics, LOLOL!

 

[freeagent]

I'm a bit tired of looking at huge arse pics

I feel bad sometimes because I am on a 4K display, and its upscaled because its a big screen. Massive pix.

 

[EarthDog]

Heh... most aren't upscaled... the pics are just big enough to fill a 4K screen these days... I have the same issue on 4K.

I only post full size if Im in a pickle. Thumbnails FTW!

 

[Evilsizer]

Does GPUz show any throttling reasons when that's happening?


Looks like you nailed it... and thank you. I'm a bit tired of looking at huge arse pics, LOLOL!

it either says Therm or Vref, i have not seen anything else pop up. It doesn't throttle it is still at 2.7ghz, same thing if i do 80% but GPU speed around 2.55ghz.

As far as the pictures, i mean having better control of the inserted pictures. I always lower the resolution down after doing a preview to see how bad it is. I could just keep them as attached but then you have to click on, i hate that part imo.

 

[Evilsizer]

ok, take a look at this. You are seeing correctly, i set the power limit to 60% and it is still hitting 2.7ghz. Maybe i should go into save mode, uninstall MSI AB and drivers. then just install the drivers and see what GPUz shows. these fans are killing me, get to 50% and i can hear them in my closed back head phones. Granted the PC is next to me about 2ft away. Now if the temps are that high with the case cover off, i can only image if i put it on. Now the thermostat in the hallway reads 77F, i think it is hotter then that in my room.

*edit*
if the power usage is that low, why is it still running hot?

 

[ShrimpBrime]

ok, take a look at this. You are seeing correctly, i set the power limit to 60% and it is still hitting 2.7ghz. Maybe i should go into save mode, uninstall MSI AB and drivers. then just install the drivers and see what GPUz shows. these fans are killing me, get to 50% and i can hear them in my closed back head phones. Granted the PC is next to me about 2ft away. Now if the temps are that high with the case cover off, i can only image if i put it on. Now the thermostat in the hallway reads 77F, i think it is hotter then that in my room.

*edit*
if the power usage is that low, why is it still running hot?

Because the cooler is too small. There was a thread at TPU about the dual fan cards being hot. Just how they are.

 

[Woomack]

ASUS Dual doesn't have problems with temps, but at auto, it's loud. I can still manually set the fans to around 40% and keep the card running without issues or visible performance drop due to throttling, even at high temperatures around 82-85°C.

 

[Evilsizer]

i did find a reddit post about a guy taking one apart. It looked like they put no paste on it, i would have also thought. the their listed gpu speed was going to be it and im fine with that. It just does not run at that speed at all, it is like it wants to kill it self. For all i care it could run at 2ghz, it will still be better then the 3070. If i just buy another one, i need to be small enough to fit into the Fractal Design mini c. Otherwise i just buy another case at this point for a larger card.

after looking and looking, if i dont want to have to worry about card length ever agian

https://www.newegg.com/diypc-micro-atx-tower-steel-tempered-glass-case-black-diy-matx06-wood/p/N82E16811353273?Item=N82E16811353273

https://www.newegg.com/lian-li-microatx-chassis-steel-cases-a3-matx-black/p/2AM-000Z-000D3?Item=2AM-000Z-000D3

both nice looking cases but GPU manufactures need to get their stuff together. I would rather take a 3 slot gpu to fit the lengths to fit my case vs one that's longer than case just to use 2 slots. A bit over the top, i know.

I could be the only one, i am just done with cpus and gpus just auto overclocking them selves. If i get a SFF card, give me the best cooling you can. I mean by this is, best cooler for a dual slot or 2.5slot design. If you still need too, tone the speeds down a bit.

 

[Woomack]

ASUS Dual cooler is meh in general. They made it as an SFF option, but if I knew it would work this way, I would get another model. I got a Bykski block for my card, and it runs on water right now.
If you can remove the cooler without losing warranty, then change the TIM. Even in top series cards, replacing their standard TIM with something from Thermal Grizzly or Noctua gives 2-3°C better temps. At least this is my experience with cards that I get for reviews (not many of them but still). RTX5070Ti had ~3°C better max temps under load when I switched to TG Duronaut.

The cooler quality is also why I stick with some specific brands. ASUS barely ever disappoints, but my luck gave me the Dual card advertised as exceptional, but it feels like a budget product.

Another thing is that when you set a 75-80% power limit, the performance is usually up to 10% lower, depending on the game, but it uses significantly less power, and the temps are lower. I noticed that a 20-25% lower power limit is still not bad, but going below that affects the performance much more. Maybe it's related to the cards that I used.

 

[Evilsizer]

yea but gpu speed is still around 2.7ghz even with 80% limit and no drop in fps. I guess to get what i want, i need to use the power curve in AB. Gonna take some work to find the lowest voltage for the 2490 but i might aim for 2.5ghz or just drop it to 2.4. just need to see, yes i do plan to get the pasted changed out for PTM. I picked up some Upsiren PCM-1, which is just a rebranded honeywell PTM7950 people are talking about. even with the tarrifs the way the are, im still paying for it period, one way or another. Also picked up some Upsiren 24W/mk, doesn't mean it does that. After watching https://www.youtube.com/@snarksdomain you will see how the PADs measure up to each other. He has links for his number in excel files but i can not seem to find the Pad file, i only see the putty. The only thing that does better based on his testing is the thermal putty's. That gets real messy and i am not going down the road. Based on Honeywell's documents and testing the PTM gets better with more thermal cycling.

Something i wish i had, a 3D scanner, then make a new fan shroud for the card. I have some AC P9 pwm fans, splice the pwm/speed into the card. Not sure how much the video card headers could take. I was going to split that off to a motherboard header for power. Now if i could only get more motivated to do such a project. Best i could do now since i have neither a 3D scanner or 3D printer or skills with AutoCAD. Is to modify the current shroud to either epoxy the fans on or some how make it removal mounts.