440ZX chipset

[dj_unforgetable]

Okay, i have an hp8570c. It came with a p3-450 CPU and also came with an Intel 440ZX xhipset. What i want to know is how can i o/c the CPU. I know that i HAVE to increase front side bus speed, cause the mulpilier is locked (i think. correct me if im wrong). I dont know how i go about o/cing the CPU and i dont kow how i increase th front side bus....HELP ME OUT!?!?!

 

[Jon]

You're going to need a program like SoftFSB to increase the bus speed. You can find it at TweakFiles.com.

Be aware that OEM PCs don't overclock well and that you probably have no way of changing your voltage in case of any instability at higher clock speeds. Make sure you have sufficient cooling as well. OEM PCs typically don't have cooling intended for overclocking...

Good Luck!

 

[dj_unforgetable]

So what should i do to determine the correct amount of increase? How should i go about increase FSB? And is it okay for me to increase the fsb at all??? Cause this ain't my comp....its my dads..and i dont wanna screw it up. Is it safe? I really dont wanna buy any fans...Help?!?

I have the name of my motherboard..its called a Condor 1C, but there is no such selection in softFSB..what now?

 

[Wunder]

SoftFSB and similar programs rarely work on brand computers cause their pll chips have no connection to smb. However if you have a slot processor you can cover pin A14 to make it run @ 133 MHz FSB wich in your case would give 600 MHz. You probably need to increase voltage and improve cooling before it works but if you do that there should be no problems. To increase voltage you must cover more pins on the slot, download the P2 datasheet from developer.intel.com to see how it is done. Crack open the slot case and apply som good cooling to your processor and the cache chips.
Good luck.

 

[dj_unforgetable]

Okay...I just finished downloading my motherboards manual and i ifnd out that i have jumpers for both the multiplier and the bus frequency....I have a slot processor, but i dont know what on earth your talking about when you say pin A14 and what not. 1) Should i use softFSB or use jumpers? 2)How do i learn if my motherbaoard suports increasing voltage?

Please answer all questions thoroughly..im a newbie

 

[outhouse]

dj_unforgetable (Jun 30, 2001 05:05 p.m.):
1) My specific motherboard doesn't support 133MHZ FSB. I have an Asus P2B-VM mobo. If my mobo doesn't even support the FSB speed increase..how do i get to increase it without screwing up teh comp?

if softfsb does not work your out of luck, if it does it will not hurt your PC to try and see how high you can go as lond as its stable if its not stable you can turn it back down to where it is stable.

2) Also, how on earth do i increase voltage? I dont know anything of what u just said...

you cant change your corevoltage to your CPU, i'm afraid that is the bad news about trying to overclock with softfsb and there are no other programs that will let you do this either. sorry

HELP ME OUT...IM A NEWBIE

Generaly speaking with a name brand PC its best just to run them as they are and then later down the road when you can afford a new PC you can read up here gain some knowledge and build a dang good PC with quality parts and then overclock the heck out of it!

goodluck

 

[outhouse]

dj_unforgetable (Jun 30, 2001 05:12 p.m.):
Okay...I just finished downloading my motherboards manual and i ifnd out that i have jumpers for both the multiplier and the bus frequency....I have a slot processor, but i dont know what on earth your talking about when you say pin A14 and what not. 1) Should i use softFSB or use jumpers? 2)How do i learn if my motherbaoard suports increasing voltage?

Please answer all questions thoroughly..im a newbie

Well Intel locks the multiplier so that is not an option, you will have to find out exactly how high the jumpers will let your FSB go, I would try the jumpers first and then if i was not succeful i would try softFSB check to see if your clock generator is supported. sorry but i dont know about slot type setup's so i cant help with CV.

goodluck

 

[Wunder]

OK before anything you must know there is always the possibility that you will screw things up...

I do believe that your motherboard may handle 133 MHz FSB, but not officially cause then the AGP and PCI buses will run out of spec. To increase voltage search among the old documents @ www.tomshardware.com and you shall find some articles on the subject there. But once you're into it its easier to read the P2 datasheet, cause there all the VIDs are listed so you can figure out wich ones to cover to achieve a certain voltage. To improve cooling you should open the computer case and install one fan sucking cold air into the case at the bottom, then install another fan at the top that blows out the hot air. Then rip out the processor, crack it open and apply a big bad fatass hsf to the core and some smaller ones to the cache chips.
But since youre a newbie something will probably be F***ed up. And your dad will dislike that. So just get your own computer to experiment with.

 

[dj_unforgetable]

Thanks...according to the manual...teh jumper settings can go all teh way up to 133mhz..but as you said, because i can't change the voltage to balance out stability, i probably can't go all teh way up their...The jumper settings show various increments such as from 110 to 115 to 117 to 120 and so on. But how would i know teh highest i can go without touching voltage or add more cooling?

And Wunder...thanks a lot for you info...ill just plan to increase FSB from 100 to perhaps110 or something, not too much though...if that dont work..ill just leave it and turn it back to 100. And that other stuff, your right about my dad not liking what ill do to the comp, and im saving money right now for a comp...i have $800CND sitting in a bacnk account, and another $800CND in a mutual fund, but soon enough ill have enough money..lol

 

[Zuck Gou :)]

You can't really say how far you'll get without upping the voltage, because all chips are different. So you just got to go by trial and error. Up the FSB, and see if you can get into windows and run your programs. Do this until it isn't stable anymore and there ya go!

That 110 will most likely work so give it a go!

Good luck!

 

[Wunder]

so you got a brand pc with overclocking options?!!! thats rare...
Just like the other guy said you may now use the trial and error method to find out how high you can take it.
Good luck

 

[dj_unforgetable]

This will help you guys out...this is a link to my mobo FSB and other stuff....

http://www.asus.com/products/motherboard/Pentiumpro/P2z-vm/jumper.html

 

[outhouse]

WOW your MB is the first one ive heard of that has some sort of FSB settings at all, I guess HP must use quite a few different MB's so we should not rule out the possibility that a few can be overclocked.

As far as your dads PC goes, read through the tips section and get as much background info as possible theres a little more to overclocking then just upping FSB and CV, cooling is the biggest key and theres many ways to aproach this.

goodluck

 

[dj_unforgetable]

How do i know when my CPU need cooling? And how do i cool it? It is a slot CPU

 

[Zuck Gou :)]

Well a good rule is your CPU always needs cooling

If your not wanting to up the voltage, then the cooling you have now is probably satisfactory.

Of course if you want to overclock more, and therefore up the voltage to run stable, that'll create alot of heat and you'll need more than stock cooling to be safe and to be stable.

 

[Zuck Gou :)]

Oops, got cut off

How to go about cooling? Make sure your case has good airflow and make sure you have a good HSF.

Instead of repeating, go to the section on cooling at

www.overclockers.com

There's tons of good articles that'll show you how to go about it.

 

[dj_unforgetable]

Alright..doesn't seem that hard..i do need 3 fans...one on my overclocked geforce2mx...one on my future overclocked p3-450 and one to exhuast all teh hot air out...my plan is set...i need to know though..HOW DO I INSTALL A FAN?

 

[dj_unforgetable]

Help?!?

 

[Zuck Gou :)]

Ehhh, I'm not completely sure what you mean?

If your talking about cutting a hole in the case theres many ways (dremel, hole saw etc), go to www.overclockers.com and read em.

I think your asking how to get power to them? Your motherboard should have little 3 prong plugs for your fan (take a look at where your CPUs fan is plugged into...) If you dont have anymore you'll have to just use a spare from your power supply, im pretty sure u can buy adapters, but I dont, I just take off that adaptor and shove em in

 

[outhouse]

dj_unforgetable (Jul 01, 2001 07:57 a.m.):
Alright..doesn't seem that hard..i do need 3 fans...one on my overclocked geforce2mx...one on my future overclocked p3-450 and one to exhuast all teh hot air out...my plan is set...i need to know though..HOW DO I INSTALL A FAN?

as far as case fans you want to put 2 in, 1 in front of the case blowing cool air in and add another case fan besides your PSU fan on this fan you want it aimed out, there should be places in your case already where these 2 fans go and it just takes 4 screws attach them to the case, if there are no holes you can get a knibbler at radio shack and make holes, if you have to drill holes in your case to attach the fans it is best to remove everything from your case a good rule is [less metal flakes left in your case is the less you will spend on repair bills]

as far as the GF-2 you can put thermal compound on the chip to your video card and use 4 drops of super glue in the corners this will hold your new HSF on just fine.

goodluck