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Another old classic which has had some HTML fixer-uppers. Silversinksam knows his silver. 
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[O/C]SILVER THERMAL PASTES - BUYERS BEWARE!
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interesting...link to OCZ's page is dead though, wonder if it's cached somewhere...
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Oh snap, SSS is eating testing silver paste again!
Great to hear that OCZ had such a quick response. I've always been pleased with their customer service and was getting worried as it seemed they were falsely advertising this paste. I have much less faith in CompUSA's reaction...
Now I am curious as to how much greater thermal resistance the Al paste would have over the Ag. I'm sure the Al paste is better than generic "grease", but it would be good to know how much... anyway, that's off topic.
Thanks SSS for always getting to the bottom of things!
Great to hear that OCZ had such a quick response. I've always been pleased with their customer service and was getting worried as it seemed they were falsely advertising this paste. I have much less faith in CompUSA's reaction...
Now I am curious as to how much greater thermal resistance the Al paste would have over the Ag. I'm sure the Al paste is better than generic "grease", but it would be good to know how much... anyway, that's off topic.
Thanks SSS for always getting to the bottom of things!
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MX-2.. I use it.
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Was mx-2 even out in 2004?
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I've been using Ceramique and similar ceramic products for the past few years... Silver compound is just too messy and hard to clean
Some acids wont eat through silicon, and other oiley things, or at least not right away.
if the "silver" assuming there was any, was wrapped in oils.
Dont jewlers test with scratch marks to insure that human skin oils dont get in the way of the tests?
for example, i have heard of people having thier gold checked, and the "ring" comes back with a small scratch on it, as probably warned by the jewler that they would do that.
(course mabey the jewler just wrecked it and uses that as an excuse
i could see where the normal test indeed would not work, depending on what the silver is wrapped with?
acids highy react with metals, you can eat up mercury, silver, i think even lead with nitric, but if your in the chemistry lab someday doing that, coat it with oil and see where it goes.
another example is that round (red) Oil patch that they put on your battery posts. before those existed, greace or oil was used to keep acid from messing things up around the posts . i have effectivly use thin silicon spray to accomplish the same thing, last years keeping the acid from chewing up the metals.
here we learned that stuff from Waxing things, ammonia will take the wax off, but if you want to CLR or vinegar or bleach something the wax can sort of protect the surface, so it doesnt have to be re-waxed. when i want to take the wax off, ammonia will lossen it and the wax and whatever is on top of it comes sliding off again. cheap trick to save time cleaning stuff.
I am not trying to defend people who could be cheating me, just realising that silver or not they sure have a lot of oiley junk around them, poly whatevers and what not.
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if the "silver" assuming there was any, was wrapped in oils.
Dont jewlers test with scratch marks to insure that human skin oils dont get in the way of the tests?
for example, i have heard of people having thier gold checked, and the "ring" comes back with a small scratch on it, as probably warned by the jewler that they would do that.
(course mabey the jewler just wrecked it and uses that as an excuse
i could see where the normal test indeed would not work, depending on what the silver is wrapped with?
acids highy react with metals, you can eat up mercury, silver, i think even lead with nitric, but if your in the chemistry lab someday doing that, coat it with oil and see where it goes.
another example is that round (red) Oil patch that they put on your battery posts. before those existed, greace or oil was used to keep acid from messing things up around the posts . i have effectivly use thin silicon spray to accomplish the same thing, last years keeping the acid from chewing up the metals.
here we learned that stuff from Waxing things, ammonia will take the wax off, but if you want to CLR or vinegar or bleach something the wax can sort of protect the surface, so it doesnt have to be re-waxed. when i want to take the wax off, ammonia will lossen it and the wax and whatever is on top of it comes sliding off again. cheap trick to save time cleaning stuff.
I am not trying to defend people who could be cheating me, just realising that silver or not they sure have a lot of oiley junk around them, poly whatevers and what not.
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Then as we get into the lab tests, which are probably accurate, i see things that someones chemistry teacher might indicate messed with the "Scientific study" or some such BS , when one doesnt have 2 million dollers to study a BB of stuff.
Placed the samples on aluminum foil? with no concideration for having taited the sample at that point. (whos teacher would be laughing then?)
Burned it with no Spectrum analisis , which is what they have used to analise materials by seeing the colors that they burn in. and who could have afforded that?
i dont know what a spetrum analisis would have shown, but somehow expected that to have occured in the lab test?
then after a 500+* C burn assisted by various other compounds (which can increase the temps, and improve the oxidation), possible creation of compounds. then finished with a chart weighing in on elements that were added with "combusion" . appropriatly seperating the results .
If the non-existant silver was glazed on the test equiptment burn exhaust ??? or some such rediculous thing, they didnt even mention trapping the tests exhaust or checking a filter??
then not enough information supplied to attempt to analise what thier method was, the method often being very important to the flaws which exists with all scientific methods
all of which may have been on the 550 pages of fluff that would rot my brain trying to understand it
could have tested it like that on the stove and had about as usefull of information and saved money
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The manufcatures lawyers could probably find the 3 atoms of silver that existed , and only if they went back to the factory in china where it was left out i am not doubting the results, just the level of the test.
Placed the samples on aluminum foil? with no concideration for having taited the sample at that point. (whos teacher would be laughing then?)
Burned it with no Spectrum analisis , which is what they have used to analise materials by seeing the colors that they burn in. and who could have afforded that?
i dont know what a spetrum analisis would have shown, but somehow expected that to have occured in the lab test?
then after a 500+* C burn assisted by various other compounds (which can increase the temps, and improve the oxidation), possible creation of compounds. then finished with a chart weighing in on elements that were added with "combusion" . appropriatly seperating the results .
If the non-existant silver was glazed on the test equiptment burn exhaust ??? or some such rediculous thing, they didnt even mention trapping the tests exhaust or checking a filter??
then not enough information supplied to attempt to analise what thier method was, the method often being very important to the flaws which exists with all scientific methods
all of which may have been on the 550 pages of fluff that would rot my brain trying to understand it
could have tested it like that on the stove and had about as usefull of information and saved money
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The manufcatures lawyers could probably find the 3 atoms of silver that existed , and only if they went back to the factory in china where it was left out
i am not doubting the results, just the level of the test.
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@Psycogeec: It's been 6, almost 7 years since this article was published. Has anyone done better testing of this nature on the silver thermal paste subject? Linkage appreciated. I would have seen it if there was any done, but if we just imagine it was, then we could safely assume it was a derivative of this work Silversinksam initiated.
See? Imagining and making claims is easy - only takes as long as it does for you to type them up. Backing up claims or actually working with real data takes time and effort, with a sprinkling of knowledge.
That said... I know very little compared to many others here, especially those who have ran this site in the past. But from my short experience running this site, I do know there is no shortage of smart people who are capable of doing excellent work for their hobby. Unfortunately, good people with the time and inclination to perform actual testing and publish their results for the love of their hobby are in much shorter supply. Those who do it here, do it just for their own betterment, and the betterment of those who follow after them.
Betterment. Improvement over the past.
On the flip side of course, this is the internet, and there is certainly no shortage of "experts" who claim "this or that" was done wrong, or they "could" do it better... Despite the fact that nothing is holding them back from doing so.
This is not some complex parallel dimension. This is simple: Do it better - we'll publish it. Otherwise, your critical statements appear to be hot air intended to tear down the work of others, while doing nothing to build it up.
See? Imagining and making claims is easy - only takes as long as it does for you to type them up. Backing up claims or actually working with real data takes time and effort, with a sprinkling of knowledge.
That said... I know very little compared to many others here, especially those who have ran this site in the past. But from my short experience running this site, I do know there is no shortage of smart people who are capable of doing excellent work for their hobby. Unfortunately, good people with the time and inclination to perform actual testing and publish their results for the love of their hobby are in much shorter supply. Those who do it here, do it just for their own betterment, and the betterment of those who follow after them.
Betterment. Improvement over the past.
On the flip side of course, this is the internet, and there is certainly no shortage of "experts" who claim "this or that" was done wrong, or they "could" do it better... Despite the fact that nothing is holding them back from doing so.
This is not some complex parallel dimension. This is simple: Do it better - we'll publish it. Otherwise, your critical statements appear to be hot air intended to tear down the work of others, while doing nothing to build it up.
yes back again with silversinksam, who speaks in english , unlike the labs which the data is very thick.
when admitting fault OCZ had it independantly tested and found it to be really Light on silver, not non-existant.
6-7 years, arggg, so your just cleaning up? the "Recall" link is busted, and i cant find the data at OCZ.
OCZ would like to take this time to address the recent article published at Overclockers.com, which shows that OCZ Ultra 2 thermal compound has no silver content.
OCZ does not manufacture Ultra 2 thermal compound in house, it is provided by a foreign manufacturer with our specifications. Previous independent lab tests conducted at the request of OCZ have shown that the silver compound content in Ultra 2 is 25% by volume and 70% by weight.
In response to this article, OCZ has submitted another batch of Ultra 2 to a third party for extensive lab testing. This Independent lab report show’s that the most recent batch of OCZ Ultra 2 indeed contains less than 1% silver by volume. While simultaneously we have received lab reports from an outside source indicating the silver content to be 30% by weight. This leads us to the conclusion that recent batch(s) of OCZ Ultra 2 from our supplier did not meet the agreed specifications.
We accept full responsibility for these problems and we will be seeking legal action against our supplier.
In order to help solve this problem we have contacted Arctic Silver Inc, and entered into a vendor agreement with them to supply OCZ thermal paste.
Beginning January 22nd 2004 we are issuing a full recall of any and all OCZ Ultra 2.
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-155126.html
when admitting fault OCZ had it independantly tested and found it to be really Light
on silver, not non-existant.6-7 years, arggg, so your just cleaning up? the "Recall" link is busted, and i cant find the data at OCZ.
OCZ would like to take this time to address the recent article published at Overclockers.com, which shows that OCZ Ultra 2 thermal compound has no silver content.
OCZ does not manufacture Ultra 2 thermal compound in house, it is provided by a foreign manufacturer with our specifications. Previous independent lab tests conducted at the request of OCZ have shown that the silver compound content in Ultra 2 is 25% by volume and 70% by weight.
In response to this article, OCZ has submitted another batch of Ultra 2 to a third party for extensive lab testing. This Independent lab report show’s that the most recent batch of OCZ Ultra 2 indeed contains less than 1% silver by volume. While simultaneously we have received lab reports from an outside source indicating the silver content to be 30% by weight. This leads us to the conclusion that recent batch(s) of OCZ Ultra 2 from our supplier did not meet the agreed specifications.
We accept full responsibility for these problems and we will be seeking legal action against our supplier.
In order to help solve this problem we have contacted Arctic Silver Inc, and entered into a vendor agreement with them to supply OCZ thermal paste.
Beginning January 22nd 2004 we are issuing a full recall of any and all OCZ Ultra 2.
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-155126.html
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Cool, nice find on the recall announcement. The link in the article points to OCZ's site where the announcement no longer exists.
As for the article, yes its 6-7 years old. The publish date next to the title of the actual article is accurate, listing 1/21/04. It was originally a multipage article on the old grey version of the site, but has been automatically converted twice through past site upgrades so I cleaned up the html a bit - it used to include a link to "page 2" which actually has been combined into this single article. A lot of people were clicking the page 2 link that was left in the article but page 2 no longer exists, so they were ending up on the 404 error page. When I fix the html and save the changes, the site automatically generates a discussion like this one - hence the revival of an old classic.
As for the article, yes its 6-7 years old. The publish date next to the title of the actual article is accurate, listing 1/21/04. It was originally a multipage article on the old grey version of the site, but has been automatically converted twice through past site upgrades so I cleaned up the html a bit - it used to include a link to "page 2" which actually has been combined into this single article. A lot of people were clicking the page 2 link that was left in the article but page 2 no longer exists, so they were ending up on the 404 error page. When I fix the html and save the changes, the site automatically generates a discussion like this one - hence the revival of an old classic.
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