Feels so.... 2010, optical media. Try downloading and creating installation media (NOT an iso) on a usb stick. Installation also goes a lot faster.
Flashing to the latest bios is the first thing you should do.
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Flashing to the latest bios is the first thing you should do.
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Ok everything is up and running. It was a pretty janky installation process but somewhere between updating the bios and using a slightly older windows 11 download on bootable usb got things working. I had to disable msi driver utility installer because it was freezing windows for whatever reason after I got in and I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with earlier problems. It seems cursed. Just get into windows and download the drivers lol.
EDIT: Seems to fit fine in the socket so far. If it catches on fire I'll let you know.
EDIT 2: I seem to have a dead 4090. First world problems I guess.
EDIT: Seems to fit fine in the socket so far. If it catches on fire I'll let you know.
EDIT 2: I seem to have a dead 4090. First world problems I guess.
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How so?
Many with 3 slots (2 CPU connected) break down similarly, no?
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You get 2 off the CPU without pulling off the GPU PCIe. (Block diagram is wrong, the CPU M.2s are Gen 5) The other M.2s are pretty much dedicated. The M.2_4 would have been better as an either or, rather than always both. But x2 Gen 4 isn't awful for games, probably wouldn't be noticable for most games.
@1k+ Power
The enterprise version will be me removing the 12vHP socket and soldering in the cable directly. We'll see how those VIAs are rated from there on.
@1k+ Power
The enterprise version will be me removing the 12vHP socket and soldering in the cable directly. We'll see how those VIAs are rated from there on.
2......................M.2's off the PCIe...got it. But it does share bandwidth with the the USB4 ports tho... that's.........weird. But when you use both PCI slots, they break down to x8/x8 anyway. The difference, it seems, is that it doesn't for the M.2s.
The block diagram shows both CPU-connected M.2s at 5.0.
EDIT: I have no idea what you're saying on the power... soldering stuff to boards doesn't sound very 'enterprise'.....nor do I get how you'll pull 1KW out it. Got any links? VIA (brand for connector?)?
The block diagram shows both CPU-connected M.2s at 5.0.
EDIT: I have no idea what you're saying on the power... soldering stuff to boards doesn't sound very 'enterprise'.....nor do I get how you'll pull 1KW out it. Got any links? VIA (brand for connector?)?
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Just a heads up for anyone picking up x870 and probably x870e motherboards. I searched the web about the extra pcie connector on the board and ran into a lot of posts saying not to worry about it that's only for people with a bunch of M2 drives and multiple video cards Etc but according to MSI you're supposed to use it if you have any kind of higher end video card and they specifically mentioned the 4090 in the article.
I thought this was strange because I've been using the 4090 this entire time without any extra plug in my old system with the same power supply but I guess the power delivery is different in some way and could have lead to my issues. The fact that the manual is almost non-existent for the tomahawk didn't help but in their defense they did show a little picture with a bunch of moon runes next to it showing somebody plugging that thing in during installation.
I thought this was strange because I've been using the 4090 this entire time without any extra plug in my old system with the same power supply but I guess the power delivery is different in some way and could have lead to my issues. The fact that the manual is almost non-existent for the tomahawk didn't help but in their defense they did show a little picture with a bunch of moon runes next to it showing somebody plugging that thing in during installation.
MSI's extra power connector helps to support not only the PCIe, but all of the power headers on the board and for higher wattage charging (I think up to 60W). MSI's X870 has this on a lot (all?) of them while the other brands only tend to have it on upper mid-range boards. If you do the math, you cant run all the fan headers, the PCIe and charging and expect to get the wattage you need out of the 24-pin ATX connector.
I've been running an AIO watercooled 4090 (and 3x M.2s) since it was released on a board without the extra connector... you don't need to plug that in. I highly doubt that is what caused your issues. I'm also in disbelief that it's actually dead (try it on another PC).
I wouldn't worry about it either, but that was well known since they've been around for a couple of generations now.
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Maybe its just me but I dont see any benefit of getting a X870E over X670E, its the same chips just the 8xx series standardizes USB 4.0. Nothing consumer level even comes close to needing PCIe 5.0 let alone 4.0.
You're not alone, but there are reasons...
*Native Z5 support .
*'Native' USB4 (don't need an expensive mobo to get it with X870E/X870)
*Many (not all) are the same price as their X670E/X670 counterparts so why wouldn't you get the newer board with more features (EZ DIY stuff, Ai stuff) at the same price?
Not sure what angle you're talking 5.0 vs 4.0 (M.2? Slot bandwidth?)... but I agree on the slots PCIe 4.0/5.0 x16, but some people want/need ultra-fast storage.
This gen, X870 (non E) takes a more significant hit compared to X670E/X670 so you have to be careful there with some configs. X870 is like B650E specs-wise so there's more value in the 'higher' (by number only, lol) chipset.
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I'm sorry for being dense but are you saying I need to plug it in or that I shouldn't need it? As for the 4090 I'm not sure what else to try. I reseated it and double checked all connectors.
It worked for awhile without the extra pcie while installing windows and I was able to play a 2d game but as soon as cyberpunk or days gone try to load i would either lose video or crash completely. after plugging in the extra pcie to the mobo I got into days gone in 3d for maybe 10 seconds and then boom PC crashed black screen and loud fan noises. for a little while I could see the desktop but then I started losing video randomly. after that I can't get video at all after multiple resets and waiting for anything to happen. an old backup pcie card works fine in the same slot.
Considering the general specification, you may only need it if you overclock/overvolt high-end graphics (more like an LN2 OC area) or use USB-C headers and expect higher wattage for charging. Most motherboards have it described as required for USB devices and not anything else.
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Right now it seems like it's between a wild coincidence and the card just happened to go bad right when I changed over my other stuff or maybe the pcie slot on the new motherboard works okay with the low profile lightweight card but when there's a big heavy card in it the connector gets bent enough to be out of spec and things start getting wonky. This kind of stuff drives me nuts. maybe I'll put my seasonic 850 watt in an old junker PC to test the card at least to see if I can get video.
Sorry For Thread jacking but I thought this might be relevant enough for people planning a build and maybe I can save one person a headache if nothing else. I ordered in a seasonic 1200 watt to rule out the power issue. I was going to grab a 5090 at some point anyway so at least now I won't even have to consider the chance of not having enough juice.
Sorry For Thread jacking but I thought this might be relevant enough for people planning a build and maybe I can save one person a headache if nothing else. I ordered in a seasonic 1200 watt to rule out the power issue. I was going to grab a 5090 at some point anyway so at least now I won't even have to consider the chance of not having enough juice.
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Breakdown of Key Power Management Features:
Let’s take the MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI motherboard as an example of how MSI is pushing the boundaries of performance for demanding users. Imagine stacking it with the powerful AMD Ryzen™ 9950X processor alongside the cutting-edge GeForce RTX™ 4090 SUPRIM X 24G GPU. At maximum load, these components demand a lot of power. Usually, the motherboard’s 24-pin 12V power connector can only supply a maximum of 168W. While this might be enough for basic operations, it falls short when trying to drive everything to its peak—especially with fans, RGB lighting, and a beastly GPU like the 4090 connected.
That’s where MSI’s 8-pin Supplemental PCIe Power Connector steps in. On the MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI, this additional connector provides up to 252W of extra power, ensuring everything have enough power to run at their full potential. The 24-pin and 8-pin connectors deliver a combine total of 420W, giving the entire system plenty of power headroom to operate smoothly, even under the most demanding conditions.
What does this mean for users? The Supplemental PCIe Power ensures MSI X870(E) motherboards have the stable, consistent power needed to handle high-end GPU performance and maximized system cooling simultaneously. Whether pushing a 4090 GPU to its limits or adding a second GPU for AI complex computation tasks, these motherboards are fully equipped to handle the next generation of power-hungry components, delivering performance and stability.
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Even after reading that I'm not completely sure if they're saying You must use it or not. I wish they would just give a number for the maximum Watts your card can draw without the plug or something like that
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In some part, it looks like a marketing BS as it doesn't matter what graphics card you use, PCIe slots have their specifications and can't exceed them. Everything else goes through additional power connectors. The same for other devices, and it's a desktop motherboard, not some server stuff with multiple PCIe cards and storage devices. So you count integrated components, connected USB devices, and added M.2 SSD, as everything else doesn't really matter. You can still count it as ~100W for the graphics card and integrated things + 12W for M.2 PCIe 5.0 + 5W for others (4-6 SSD per mobo max when you can't occupy all M.2 sockets and PCIe slots in the same time). So you get ~150W tops for a maxed-out setup for a typical desktop motherboard without USB-C charging. If you don't connect an additional PCIe cable for USB-C, then it doesn't charge connected devices above the standard USB specs. I highly doubt that anyone connects 30 high-wattage fans or multiple pumps to the motherboard. Most fan hubs have their own power delivery.
Like ED said, you can connect an additional power cable if it supports it, but you won't need it in 99% of cases.
Like ED said, you can connect an additional power cable if it supports it, but you won't need it in 99% of cases.
@Brando - I have the 4090 Suprim Liquid X with the AIO connected to my board (asus but it doesnt matter cause standards).. never used it. I have 6 other fans inlcuding the cpu aio/pump... occasionally charge my phone (15w?) and have several usb devices connected along with 2x 5.0 m.2 and one 4.0... gpu is fine...mobo is fine. Anecdotal, I get it, but just saying.
...if you're worried.... just plug it in!
FTR - I'm driving a 13900k (stock) and that 4090 with a 850W Seasonic PSU.
Edit: yeah, this thread is a mess with all of the info, lol... really should start a troubleshooting thread.
...if you're worried.... just plug it in!
FTR - I'm driving a 13900k (stock) and that 4090 with a 850W Seasonic PSU.
Edit: yeah, this thread is a mess with all of the info, lol... really should start a troubleshooting thread.
