am i the most upset..

[o770]

with the loop story? - i cant even get any response to the problem from the hardware manufacters, or software, i dont know.
im interested on knowing how many ppl here still fights against this so unfair issue??

did u manage to fix the loop?
if you got it, please can u post the solution for it?

 

[Newbie_Doo]

Umm??

What loop problem?

 

[o770]

infinite loop, unexplained random lockups and BSODes no-one can still find out a solution for yet; so much popular for over a yr now. does anyone here still have the problem??

 

[Newbie_Doo]

Infinite loop? No

Random Lockups? Sure. Usually heat or power related.

BSOD's? If you don't get them, you aren't pushing the equipment hard enough. When you do, you have found the limits and need to back down.

Now, what specifically can we help you with?

 

[flounder43]

Something with Windows?

 

[Cooler666]

Infinite loop? it's not infinite, i bet you within 20 years the computer will not work anymore.
so you can call it a finite loop.

 

[o770]

id love to know why ppl here in the oc forums dont use to get the problem. im pretty sure that the technical knowledge of users here is much higher than ive seen around on other forums; this could easily be an answer for the small number of the infinite loop occurrences here.
i have to agree with the answer for the random lockups and BSODes. i beleive that most of the problems ppl use to call loop is due to a lack of power, drivers installation, irq conflicts, heat etc but there is the loop unfortunately.
this is something around for over a yr now, and most ppl beleive its also a power related issue, but different of the common "lack of power" problem. it could be a lack of amps at the 3.3V line or who knows? something that the newer vcards or anything else would be too much sensitive to.

it relates to Windows XP and 2k only. XP use to show up a BSOD saying something about the detonator's file nv4disp.dll. nvidia has said already that the problem has nothing to do with them, so did VIA and microsoft. on the other side there r ppl like me, and nothing else to help solving the damn thing.

but its insteresting how low the number of occurrences here in oc-forums is. i know ppl here know how to make an os installation and what psu their system should have. i do also know that but i cant get away of the infinite loop so far.

 

[skip]

Explain the infinite loop? Don't know what you are talking about.

 

[plague]

ummmmm....havent heard of it either. I doubt an OS from microsoft would have a problem with an infinite loop. you may say, ya right M$ sucks, but really though - an infinite loop??

write a program that has this in it:

while(1)
{
}

it'll just sit there not doing anything, it wont crash your system or give you a BSOD. who knows.

 

[Wa11y]

Suppose you could post some links to clarify what you're talking about? I've never heard of an "infinite loop" problem, and depending on what's looped, it may not be such a bad thing. BSODs are common if you're running Windows. Same with random lock ups. Crappy coding.

 

[Maddman]

He is talking about a problem with the nvidia geforce videocards or mor specificly the drivers for said cards and win2k/winxp. There was a classic case posted a while back in general hardware. The driver causes an infinite loop. VIA says any videocard can cause this. Here is the link to their artical on it. http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=64

 

[repo man11]

I'm surprised, I've only been coming here since Dec., and I've seen numerous posts. Someone also posted that NvMax fixes it. Maybe it should be a sticky in VIdeo and Sound?

 

[mdcomp]

I have had this problem for sooooooooo long. I know many fixes that work for different people and that article on via arena is good, but I think one of you guys should make a webpage to explain the problem, causes and solutions. I am willing to help and collect info. I will even type it, I just don't have a website to put it on. There is no complete list of solutions anywhere, so it will be nice if the many people with the problem can go and try all the fixes we know.

Post feedback...

 

[Killer Chef]

A friend do mine had the same problem.
He is running an 8KHA+, xp1500+ and a GF2MX, and he would get the BSOD after leaving a 3d intensive game (Q3, UT etc).
Since disabling the omboard sound on his mobo the problem has dissapeared.......

 

[mdcomp]

I am currently working on a list of fixes. I have a lot of good stuff so far. Please post things that you have heard or did...I will find somwhere on the web to put it....

 

[o770]

that surely would be much appreciated.

my problem started with the geforce3 ti200 i got about two months ago and i bet ive tryed out everything ive seen already.
i started upgrading my psu to a good 400W unity, then the mainboard, RAM; got a live! 5.1 not to use onboard sound anymore. i got also a new hard disk and everything relating to software, bioses and drivers updates. i think i have installed the os (fresh installation) about 10 times already, always trying new settings and driver versions with a clean installation. i tried using the APIC mode - by the way, i recommend anyone who has this option to enable it; i cant really think on anything else to try out.
i made a search in the forums and i noticed some ppl have got problems with the VIO voltage using the TUSL2-C, my current board, then i tried the 3.3V option etc.
the most interesting thing is that nothing seems to change a bit the lockups behaviour.
changing the mainboard i was able to stop the desktop lockups at least. i can use the internet at least; but no 3d application will run.

mdcomp, your idea is great in my opinion.
the problem with finding a solution for the loop issue is the lack of information and the lack of a common factor in its occurrences. the way it is now its not a nvidia issue because ati users have also related the problem, not only a via's because there r the intel occurrences. the operating system is the only thing we know for sure: loop will happen only with W2K and XP - but i readed microsoft has said it is not a windows issue. the problem is still more difficult when we think that many occurrences has nothing to do with the "infinite loop". as most of us here in the forums know, random lockups r due to a lot of different causes.

im about to give up of playing games with my current system. i have no more money to spend with it, and i cant also beleive there will ever be any solution for the infinite loop, just because thats something happening for more than one yr and everyone knows about it. there is something in the viaarena website about VIA was working on trying to find out a solution, but one yr! thats too many time not to discover anything.
i just need some hope.

 

[mdcomp]

That was very touching Otto and I am not kidding. I have been trying so hard to work on this. I will post more don't worry....

 

[Tumbler 00]

This is something I'm very intrested in,because it's symptoms(although they are pretty broad).Is something I'm suffering with,although I'm running Win98se and a ATI card,(so apparently mine is a hard lock-up).

Quite simply when I fire up my machine I will get a hard lock-up(sometimes my pointer still moves but no Ctrl-alt-del),Bsod(vxd error),random re-boot,beyond monitor current level,etc....And then on re-boot (reset button) I got solid stability for ever.

It sounds like a Psu problem,I've got a 350w enermax,it's not heat.I was positive it was this loop problem until I see its updated,(to specifi M$ Xp & w2K).So I dunno if I qualify or not,if not sorry to hi-jack your thread.

Like others I've tried drivers,Ram Bios',volt adjustments cept I/O.What baffles me is on a hard second re-boot,I've got SOLID stability?They have updated that page so I will read it.

Good luck man,and thanks for bringing it up.

 

[mdcomp]

I started compiling the list of fixes. I did not proof it yet and I did not finish getting stuff. Check out what I did so far....



I had to zip it since I couldn't upload it as a .doc file.

 

[funnyperson1]

im sruprised you guys havent heard of it...happened to me a while back but messing around with the drivers and reinstalling the card fixed the problems for me...