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I've seen talk here and there at OCF about these cards, but didn't see a thread where we can toss all the rumors and information in.. If I missed it, LMK and I'll combine the threads. :)

That said, here's the latest rumor about the release date....sourced from MLID's latest video/guess on it.

More interesting than the news itself are the alleged reasons for the delay. Moore’s Law is Dead revealed in a recent YouTube video exclusively from a reliable source that the RDNA 4 line of GPUs is delayed because AMD is struggling to shift its top-end RDNA 3-based GPUs, in particular those built around the Navi 31, like the RX 7900 and RX 7900 XTX...

...Given these reports, it seems wise for AMD to delay the launch – if there were ever plans for a late 2024 launch – to shift the remaining RDNA 3 stocks. Moore’s Law is Dead’s source also mentioned that AMD’s mid-range RDNA 3s were selling fine. The issue of low sales is only affecting its top tier range.

So it appears to remain true that AMD will first debut its flagship Navi 48 at CES 2025, with the Navi 44 still having its launch somewhere in Q2 of 2025.

As it stands, 2025 now looks like the year AMD’s RDNA 4 GPUs will finally hit the market.
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EDIT:
An 'in the wild' Geekbench score and specs - https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-8000-rdna-4-gpu-leak-56-compute-units-2-1-ghz-16-gb-vram/
 
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As someone still on a RX 6750 XT I has a sad, because the 7xxx series was not enough of an upgrade to justify an update, but everything was pointing at 8xxx series being worthwhile for the Ray Tracing performance alone!

Guess im waiting longer.
 
Based on the core count it could fit where a 8800 tier would go, assuming clocks improve over the reported sample. We're left wondering much the same things as with 50 series. We just don't know what kinda architectural perf improvement it might give, and then everything eventually comes down to cost.

The claim about "delay" is new to me. I don't recall any timing claims before, not that I was looking hard for it. Steam Hardware Survey has the 7900XTX with most users of current gen AMD dGPUs and is the only one able to make the threshold to be individually reported. So kinda goes a little counter to the claim the higher end is hard to sell. I recognise that Steam Hardware Survey does not represent the whole PC gaming market before anyone goes there. Still, maybe older sales were healthy but they fell off now with everyone expecting something new soon, and there was overproduction.
 
infinitevalence said:
As someone still on a RX 6750 XT I has a sad, because the 7xxx series was not enough of an upgrade to justify an update, but everything was pointing at 8xxx series being worthwhile for the Ray Tracing performance alone!

Guess im waiting longer.
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I'm in the same boat with a 6800 XT. I'm still not in a position that I need to upgrade, but I would like to upgrade. I'll be waiting to see how much of an improvement the 8800 XT will be over the 6800 XT. The other option will be looking at nvidia's offering in the same price range as the 8800 XT.
 
6800XT is a great card and I wish I could have gotten one when I was shopping. I initially got a 6900xt but it was near peak of the pandemic shortage and I decided $1600 was just not worth it. Ended up selling it for $1800 which covered all the fees/taxes so i ended up more or less even.
 
Lisa Su is blowing smoke up everyone's butt like a typical CEO. They've given up the high-end/halo GPU market entirely, sticking to mid-range offerings. So, from that alone, it's not AMD's "strongest PC product portfolio ever". While strong on the CPU end, it will be meh on the GPU side of things. Which allows Nvidia to charge whatever they want on their RTX 5000 series high-end/Halo offerings while their mid-range RTX 5000 series GPUs will continue have better RT along with DLSS to overwhelm AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs.
 
I mentioned it in other thread. In short the claim is:
Raster/RT perf equivalent to 4080(S). Implies no noteworthy advancement in raster perf vs 7900XTX, with significant uplift in RT.
-25% power vs 7900XTX = ~266W. That's less than 4080(S) at 320W.

We also don't really know anything about its true longer term competitor, possibly 5070/5070 Ti.

Edit: Ada is on TSMC 4N, derived from N5. Blackwell gets a minor update to 4NP. RDNA4 is expected to be on N4P which is more of an improvement so AMD will have a slight node advantage next gen.
 
infinitevalence said:
I will say thats an improvement over 7xxx but for a "midrange" card I would really like it between 150w-200w
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I mean, lower is better, but to put this in some perspective...assuming the ~RTX4080/S performance rumor is true for the 8800XT, that's 100W less (4080/S is 320W card). That compares to (rumored specs) 220W for the 5070 and 320W for 5070 Ti (presumably faster - NV specs/perf are rumors too).

If they're in NV's ballpark, it's a winner for power.
 
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infinitevalence said:
I will say thats an improvement over 7xxx but for a "midrange" card I would really like it between 150w-200w
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Since when was _800 tier "midrange"? Save that for _700 and lower. At most maybe you could factor in AMD's name inflation relative to NV to argue that it would be 70 tier equivalent. If you could call it mainstream it would be right at the top of it.

EarthDog said:
assuming the ~RTX4080/S performance rumor is true for the 8800XT
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There was a separate rumour comparing it to 7900XT (not XTX) so it comes down to who do you believe? It may be possible that different models in the stack are getting mixed up. The next one down isn't looking at much slower, ball park 10% maybe.
 
mackerel said:
Since when was _800 tier "midrange"? Save that for _700 and lower. At most maybe you could factor in AMD's name inflation relative to NV to argue that it would be 70 tier equivalent. If you could call it mainstream it would be right at the top of it.


There was a separate rumour comparing it to 7900XT (not XTX) so it comes down to who do you believe? It may be possible that different models in the stack are getting mixed up. The next one down isn't looking at much slower, ball park 10% maybe.
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I dont think of x800 class cards as mid range, but everyone keeps saying that AMD is only going after midrange because they dont see value in a 5090 halo competitor.
 
infinitevalence said:
I dont think of x800 class cards as mid range, but everyone keeps saying that AMD is only going after midrange because they dont see value in a 5090 halo competitor.
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Guess this is a lesson we need to be careful over what AMD has said, vs what people think AMD are doing. Thinking back I'm only aware of the AMD interview linked below where AMD (or spokespersons thereof) have mentioned this. The language used is they're not going for "king of the hill". You could argue they had a go during Ampere vs RDNA2 era and got somewhat close in raster perf. Not even close in Ada vs RDNA3, and maybe two tiers back for upcoming Blackwell vs RDNA4. Focusing on volume doesn't have to be exclusive of higher but non-halo offerings.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD deprioritizing flagship gaming GPUs: Jack Huynh talks new strategy against Nvidia in gaming market

The battle seems to be over before it starts.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com
 
Not sure if there's anything new in here.

www.pcgamesn.com

The AMD Radeon RX 8800 XT gaming GPU specs just leaked, and they look worrying

Latest rumor suggests top-end RDNA 4 AMD graphics card will compete with the Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 with 64 compute units and 16GB of VRAM.
www.pcgamesn.com www.pcgamesn.com


I gleaned 4080 perf for RT was the rumor I remembered. This has it in otherwise as fast as 7800xt? I dont buy that..
 
EarthDog said:
Not sure if there's anything new in here.

www.pcgamesn.com

The AMD Radeon RX 8800 XT gaming GPU specs just leaked, and they look worrying

Latest rumor suggests top-end RDNA 4 AMD graphics card will compete with the Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 with 64 compute units and 16GB of VRAM.
www.pcgamesn.com www.pcgamesn.com


I gleaned 4080 perf for RT was the rumor I remembered. This has it in otherwise as fast as 7800xt? I dont buy that..
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That's gonna be super disappointing if the RX 8800 XT is a side-grade from my 6800XT. Oh well, a month to CES & learning the specs from AMD.
 
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