AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Overclocked to 5.46 GHz, Beating Ryzen 7 7800X3D by 24%

[EarthDog]

Behind the cpu socket?

IIRC, the core layer was swapped with cache layer is in the bottom, but still on top of the 'pcb'. i don't think cooling on the bottom of the board would help any more than it would in a non x3d chio..

 

[Dolk]

Microcenter near by already sold out. I got mine reserved at 5am.

Picked up the Crosshair and 9800x3D. Grabbing the de-lidding supplies next.

 

[mackerel]

I haven't been following closely as I was out when it was released. What was availability like? I've seen claims it was paper launch in Europe, but I haven't verified that.

 

[EarthDog]

It's there for me at Microcenter this second (25+ in stock)... outside of that, seems like it sold out....

Where to buy AMD's Ryzen 7 9800X3D — the new king of gaming CPUs

AMD's Ryzen 7 9800X3D is now available to purchase or preorder.

www.tomshardware.com

EDIT: Maybe I should just go buy this........ LOL

 

[Kenrou]

I haven't been following closely as I was out when it was released. What was availability like? I've seen claims it was paper launch in Europe, but I haven't verified that.

None on Amazon/eBay, but shows stock in Scan from 15th November, £469.99

 

[Dolk]

Seems like short supply at launch. Each microcenter seemed to get about 25-50 units for launch day.

 

[mackerel]

None on Amazon/eBay, but shows stock in Scan from 15th November, £469.99

I looked at Scan earlier and found it odd there was no button at all. Not buy, not pre-order. Guess they were still updating.

Seeing a report there's plenty at a place in Spain.

 

[EarthDog]

Speaking of overclocking and 3d cache location..... 6.9 ghz at 100w gaming (on ln2).... why not?

The AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D just hit 6.9 GHz and thousands of in-game fps with an overclock and it barely even broke a sweat

Who knew moving the cache down below could be such a game-changer?

www.pcgamer.com

 

[Janus67]

Ni.ce

 

[SF101]

Behind the cpu socket?

IIRC, the core layer was swapped with cache layer is in the bottom, but still on top of the 'pcb'. i don't think cooling on the bottom of the board would help any more than it would in a non x3d chio..

I'm just thinking how great can de-liding a Soldered CPU be? the gains from doing that i really wonder if it can be matched with a non intrusive rear block.
I've delided about 8 Intel CPUs and i left my 7600X alone and just used liquid metal for TIM and it has never ran over 70*C its always failed clocks before temps / overclocked poorly regardless of temps being low.
I put Zero Value in Deliding it vs like my 7900X I9 which did see an improvement.
Does that make more sense?
PS**
Maybe i should add you guys know I'm also a bit wild i have run the 7600X with room at like -10*C with zero improvement the loop stayed above freezing barely but the clocking just never improved it crashed at around the same clocks and the PBO didn't go any higher.
This is why i feel this way.
I don't need to delid the CPU to understand how it will perform with - 5*C or so because i can directly lower the room -25*C and see that it doesn't do anything.

 

[Woomack]

Minisforums has soldered mobile AMD and Intel CPUs on ITX mobos. Mobile chips don't have IHS. Minisforums uses a heatsink and thermal pads on the back of the mobo, which covers the chipset (the chipset is soldered on the back of the PCB) and the back of the CPU.
I haven't seen any improvement after delidding on my Ryzen 7600. Temps are lower, but that's all. I didn't do that on other CPUs as I want to sell them in a while, and 7800X3D runs at low enough temps for optimal results.

I see that all stores have much higher than expected prices for the 9800X3D (I don't remember what the MSRP was, so maybe it's because AMD bumped the price). I was thinking about getting one, but now I'm unsure for what I would need it. I'm fine with the 7945HX in my gaming PC and I guess I'm done with AMD motherboard reviews for some time.

 

[mackerel]

I see that all stores have much higher than expected prices for the 9800X3D (I don't remember what the MSRP was, so maybe it's because AMD bumped the price).

$479 or £450. How does the euro MSRP usually fit in with those?

Looking at some UK sellers now:
OcUK £450
Scan £470
Novatech £470
CCL £520
ebuyer no listing

No stock.

 

[Woomack]

$479 or £450. How does the euro MSRP usually fit in with those?

Looking at some UK sellers now:
OcUK £450
Scan £470
Novatech £470
CCL £520
ebuyer no listing

No stock.

In Poland, it looks more like £470 where it's listed (and unavailable already). I expected the price to be around £380. Weird is how the 7800X3D price went down some months ago and went up in the last weeks. It's like AMD did it, so it was much easier to justify the high 9800X3D price on the day of its premiere. I bought the 7800X3D my brother uses for ~£325. Now it costs ~£390. When it costs so much, then the ~£470 for the 9800X3D seems reasonable, considering its higher clocks and general performance. However, this is the price at which should be 12 cores, not 8.
I also assume that AMD set the price higher because they see that Intel has nothing to fight with and won't have for some longer. Either way, I find Core Ultra 265K more interesting to play around (I don't talk about the performance, but a CPU in general).

 

[mackerel]

More by chance than any foresight I got the 7800X3D at £346 in April, close to its lowest pricing. Since AMD knew they were going to release the 9800X3D they would aim to stop supply of 7800X3D at the right time so there isn't excess inventory. As supplies ran low, prices went up. Since they have to plan months ahead, it will never be perfect so a bit short is probably better than excess and that is the side they lean on. I've not looked closely but it sounds like a similar situation for the 4090.

Launch price of 9800X3D is a minor bump to the launch price of 7800X3D so in that sense the rise doesn't sound excessive.

Edit: agree 8 cores feels limiting at this price range. But with AMD the problem is their CCD usage. Maybe in not too distant future generation we'll get say 12 core CCD so that'll become the sweet spot.

 

[EarthDog]

I'm just thinking how great can de-liding a Soldered CPU be? the gains from doing that i really wonder if it can be matched with a non intrusive rear block.

I dont think it will help any appreciable amount. There isnt a lot of heat coming out of the bottom, and no more (seemingly less) because of the layer swap. The article I linked said it cools better this way allowing more heat to escape the package/cores.



EDIT:

Edit: agree 8 cores feels limiting at this price range. But with AMD the problem is their CCD usage. Maybe in not too distant future generation we'll get say 12 core CCD so that'll become the sweet spot.

Yeah, that point was never lost in my thinking. I'll need to see what improvements, if any, they come up with for that intra-CCD 'problem'. The only game I play that uses more than that is COD, but it uses them all (at least for Intel), so it may be really bad that way(?).

12c CCD was rumored for Zen6, but, I'd like to move on well before that.



...........mabye I'll just buy the 9800X3D and see if I can get over myself not wanting a 8c/16t CPU in 2024.

 

[SF101]

$479 or £450. How does the euro MSRP usually fit in with those?

Looking at some UK sellers now:
OcUK £450
Scan £470
Novatech £470
CCL £520
ebuyer no listing

No stock.

Canada my distributor quoted me 650$CAD = 467$USD , man our dollar sucks so much now.

 

[EarthDog]

Still 25+ at my Micro Center.... nobody in Cbus likes these... or stock is off.

Edit: I don't know if there's 25, but they are there (confirmed via phone - still havent ordered one, lol).

 

[Janus67]

Glad to see 4K testing to see if there's any real difference at higher res above 1080p


edit: had a chance to watch through it. I think Steve really underplays the effect that the 9800X3D has on gaming even at 4K. Sure, in some games it is minuscule, but I would have much preferred to see the graphs of the 5800x3d/7800x3d/9800x3d at 4K [or even any higher end CPUs from the 5xxx series like the 5900x, although the 5800x was there so close enough]. In either case, he was testing against DLSS w/ Balanced preset (would have preferred Native or Quality, but will take what we can get as balanced ultimately makes the resolution nearer to 1080p than 1440 with DLSS upscaling to 4K] so may be showing more (or less) of a difference with different settings.

All that said, I know how much time reviewers spend having to re-re-re-re-re-re-run benchmarks and then if you're looking at settings/comparison/etc it can take an enormous amount of time to not be proving much of a point.

I understand that lowering resolution and settings shows a bigger jump in CPU usage to be able to compare versus other chips, but I don't think many people that have a 9800X3D [or similar] and a 4090 are seeing how many FPS they can get at 1080p unless they are playing ultra-high-fps/refresh-rate competitive shooters or rocket league where every fps still counts.

 

[SF101]

Still 25+ at my Micro Center.... nobody in Cbus likes these... or stock is off.

Edit: I don't know if there's 25, but they are there (confirmed via phone - still havent ordered one, lol).

Canada Never seen any.. even distributors are just backordered.

 

[EarthDog]

edit: had a chance to watch through it. I think Steve really underplays the effect that the 9800X3D has on gaming even at 4K. Sure, in some games it is minuscule, but I would have much preferred to see the graphs of the 5800x3d/7800x3d/9800x3d at 4K [or even any higher end CPUs from the 5xxx series like the 5900x, although the 5800x was there so close enough]. In either case, he was testing against DLSS w/ Balanced preset (would have preferred Native or Quality, but will take what we can get as balanced ultimately makes the resolution nearer to 1080p than 1440 with DLSS upscaling to 4K] so may be showing more (or less) of a difference with different settings.

All that said, I know how much time reviewers spend having to re-re-re-re-re-re-run benchmarks and then if you're looking at settings/comparison/etc it can take an enormous amount of time to not be proving much of a point.

I understand that lowering resolution and settings shows a bigger jump in CPU usage to be able to compare versus other chips, but I don't think many people that have a 9800X3D [or similar] and a 4090 are seeing how many FPS they can get at 1080p unless they are playing ultra-high-fps/refresh-rate competitive shooters or rocket league where every fps still counts.

I thought it was curious the bit about the upscaling to 4K instead of running native resolution... that didn't make sense to me and I'm not sure what difference that makes in the results. A head scratcher.

I don't see a point in LOWERING settings at 1080p to achieve results, but since the majority of gamers (read: steam gamers) are still on 1080p, I think the resolution by itself is worthwhile. Money (and competitive esports) not withstanding, the goal is run your game on Ultra, right? Outside of FPS/Esports, the goal is to have it look the way the devs wanted and play with reasonable FPS. For me, I'd test across 1080p/1440/4k using ultra settings, no upscaling/native res.

... I wonder what these results look like with a 7900XTX...