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BMorg003

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I recently purchased a 1.4G Tbird for my Iwill KK266, an upgrade from my previous 850. My 850 was running about 38 idle and 41 under a load, I installed my 1.4 and noticed it's running about 46 idle and 50 under a load! I was looking for some extra ideas on cooling this thing! I have a Milennium Glaciator (original, seated properly) hsf, full tower case (28-30 temp), and two Sunnon 80mm 40+cfm fans and a small 60 10-15cfm right next to the processor. I was thinking of purchasing a 120mm to replace the 80mm Sunnon exhaust fan, although I will need to mod the back of the case a little. I was also looking at getting a Thermaltake Smart case fan (comes with a nice fan guard and rheostat) to use with a blow-hole. I'm pretty confident that this will cool it sufficently, but why did my temps soar so high? Does my cpu have to break in? I've got a dab of ASII on it and it's been running for a few days so the ASII should be set... I need to save some money to get the extra cooling supplies, meanwhile I have a memory cooler and a copper shim shipping right now... Any ideas or input is appreciated, Thanks!
 
whoa! a glac should get lower temps than that. it has to be
your ambient and or case temps.

what are they at? if u ahve a 3-4 pin connector, plug the glac
into the molex. try running it with the case side off and open.
take temps with that. if cooler, u got airflow problems.
 
The AMD 1.4 puts out alot of heat! With even a good heatsink your going to have problems with heat at stock. You might wanna try getting massive airflow and mad mods. The first thing you can do is make a big duct.
 
The Glaciator is a great HSF. Yea, your temps may be
a bit high, but you probably will need some more mods.
Those 60mm fans suck :) or don't suck enough. :)

Those 1.4G T-birds generate a LOT of heat. You will have
to wok at getting the temps down like the rest of us. :D

BTW, the memory coolers are of no value unless you are
really pushing your RAM hard.
 
I must agree, it seems that you are not getting enough airflow through the case. Might want to try to make a duct for it if you wanna save money. Or you can leave the case side panel off. Or, go H20.
 
My case temps are actually pretty good, 29c ,23c aux right now as a matter of fact and the CPU is 46c! Not even under a big load right now. The case temps get a degree or two lower with the side off, but not much, and I can't leave the side off for long with my toddlers around! I've been pretty impressed with the Glaciator, but I think my problem is air flow, my Visiontek GeForce 3 TI200 sits right below the processor and takes up alot of room! I have to flip the lower ends of my ram slots up to fit the card in there. The hole by the proc. for the 60mm fan is right next to the cpu so putting a big delta there is out and besides the noise would drive me crazy. I stuck a thin 60mm there I got off an old hsf just to help, but I guess it's not enough. I've been putting it off cause I know my wife will think I'm nuts and I hate to mess up my case, but I guess it's mod time! Thanks for the advice and if you can think of any other suggestions please pass them along.
 
T-bird 1.4 does run hot. I took the water out when I was building my last water block and threw a ocz gladiator that I had around on it and the best it good do with melting down was about 1450. Water helps immensley (sp).
 
Your case temps are pretty high actually...

It takes some mad cooling to satisfy those 1.4 T-birds are :mad: aka firebirds!

At 22c ambient, 24c system temps, and at 1.4 w/1.75 vcore my cpu will get up to 46C.

Hot even with a Swiftech and a Antec 1030SX!!

So you'll be able to improve those temps but don't expect much.

Your temps are going to be higher than most guys with those XP's and such, trust me...;)
 
If you're going to spend a lot of money to upgrade your cooling, just remember that XP1600 chips are pretty cheap these days:) I think they run 15-20% cooler than their T-Bird brethren.
 
BMorg003, if you could post a small picture of your rig,
we might be able to see something obvious.

BTW, a "thin" 60mm fan is almost worthless for CFM.
 
Cool! I didn't think to include a pic, this will give me a chance to fire up my Olympus 2040 (I love it!). I threw in the Picture as an attachment... I'm thinkin of replacing the 80mm Sunnon in the back above my psu with a 120 first (but I'll have to cut out the back of the case a little to keep the airflow from being blocked). Also thinkin of puttin in a blow hole since the GF3 takes up so much space... Thanks for the help! (now all I need is the money to do some of this stuff)

*note the duct tape on the 60mm fan (hahaha), the screws were too small.
 
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BMorg003 said:
Cool! I didn't think to include a pic, this will give me a chance to fire up my Olympus 2040 (I love it!). I threw in the Picture as an attachment... I'm thinkin of replacing the 80mm Sunnon in the back above my psu with a 120 first (but I'll have to cut out the back of the case a little to keep the airflow from being blocked). Also thinkin of puttin in a blow hole since the GF3 takes up so much space... Thanks for the help! (now all I need is the money to do some of this stuff)

*note the duct tape on the 60mm fan (hahaha), the screws were too small.
When you bring air into and or out of a case, you also have to imagine the path it is going to take because air will move with the least path of resistance. By adding a 120mm fan at the top will creat a stronger current in this path still leaving the air stagnate in the cpu area. Bad pic but gets the point across.
 
Conclusion: Blow-hole Time! Thanks for the advice, I hope a blow hole will cool this thing down!I've been looking at a Thermaltake 80mm Smart case fan (it comes with a rheostat and a grill $9). I 'm thinking of mounting it on an arm inside the case and cutting a hole in the side of the case for it to suck air in and ducting it to the Glaciator. I want to mount it to an arm inside the case so it'll be easier to remove the side of the case (like the Zalman cooler). The Thermaltake Smart case fan is rated at 46cfm @ 2900rpm and 53cfm @ 5000 rpm. Thanks for the tips/advice! I appreciate your suggestions :)
 
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Try this these setups also, and tell us what works better.

1) Ducting air from the blowhole directly to the HSF.

2) Ducting air to the blowhole from the HSF, so that would mean that the fan is sucking and blowing towards the blowhole and the blowhole fan, well....blowing.

Number two may theoretically result with the hot air being expelled out of the case keeping the case maybe a tad bit cooler. Heres an example of what Im talking about on #2 in case you have no clue to what I am talking about.

http://www.lostcircuits.com/advice/cooling/
 
BMorg003 said:
I recently purchased a 1.4G Tbird for my Iwill KK266, an upgrade from my previous 850. My 850 was running about 38 idle and 41 under a load, I installed my 1.4 and noticed it's running about 46 idle and 50 under a load!

I though id say not to worry about that temp to much, not that it's good for it or anything, but my AMD K6-2 450Mhz was running at an INSAne 60c IDLE!!!! :mad: it has not done any damage though coz it has been like it for 2 years b 4 i knowtest i got it from a friend 2 monthes ago! , i worked out it was coz it has a heatsink and a fan on it i looked and it does not have any thermal paste between the CPU and heatsink!! im luck my old AMD did not FRY!
 
The simplest , cheapest way is to take the door off and replace it with a furnace filter which costs about $1. Mine required a small additional duct inside the case (a square of cardboard) to make sure the air doesn't only recirculate.

That can reduce temps 5 or so degrees.

Right before buying a Tbird1400 I remembered that XPs run cooler...

PS I thought I'd be smart and use a fancy ($7) pleated filter but it didn't let enough air in. The cheapy will block 99.9% of dust because the flow is so low (more of a draft) when spead over such a large area. Beside, all I really need to keep out is my cat. and the odd meatball.
 
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i would first try to replace that small fan by the HSF with a bigger sucker. It would theoretically pull in more air from the intake fans. Try also turning off the fan at the top of the case. That doesn't seem to help much as it only diverts the air anyway.

Cheers,
F
 
Thanks for the tips, I had an interesting development yesterday though... It has finally gotten hot enough to fire up the old AC in the house and I noticed that the idle temps in my case were falling through the floor! (29C at one point via MBM!) Don't know if the AC made a difference or if my in socket diode is smoking crack! Turned off the AC last night and it's back to idling at 45-46C this morning, gonna test some more today with the AC on in the house and see if that's the difference, otherwise I haven't even opened my case in a while so I can't imagine it being caused by anything else... The processor is too close to the back of the case to replace that 60mm with anything that would move enough air to be effective, so the plan is...I'm saving up and I'll put an 80mm Thermaltake Smart case fan (comes with pretty grill and rheostat, 46-53cfm) attached to something similar to the Fan arm that comes with Zalmann coolers, and I'll cut a hole in the side of my case for air flow and duct the 80mm to the 60mm on my Glaciator. What do you think? I appreciate the help, Thanks!
 
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