AMD upgrade

[mackerel]

No one knows enough to reply to it?

This. We often repeat that they have it, but how good is it today? Does AMD have anything similar? Hard to imagine they don't do something if it would give some benefit.

 

[EarthDog]

This. We often repeat that they have it, but how good is it today? Does AMD have anything similar? Hard to imagine they don't do something if it would give some benefit.

You'd think we'd hear about it, if so. I'd also guess that it didn't get worse, but likely the same or better. It's been around/claimed/stated for several generations now.

 

[infinitevalence]

Most ignore the fact that it exists, trying to convince anyone that more VRAM is needed. For a couple of generations, better texture compression has been pointed out in general Nvidia specs.

Nvidia does have great compression, and yes it gives their cards some extra headroom and efficiency that AMD and Intel dont have, but you cant address that compression as if its VRAM

This. We often repeat that they have it, but how good is it today? Does AMD have anything similar? Hard to imagine they don't do something if it would give some benefit.

Everyone does, afaik you never load textures raw, you always compress where possible, at minimum just so you dont have to move all that data over the bus.

How Much VRAM is Enough for PC Gaming?

Graphics card memory, or VRAM, has been a hot topic of discussion as of late because we're not getting enough of it. Here's our latest testing of...

www.techspot.com

while I was gone, we got another good article that says exactly what I have been saying, 8GB works for some people, some games, and may be good enough. But its quickly becoming a bottleneck going forward and you cant just add more RAM to a GPU in the future, but you can turn off Ray Tracing.

 

[Kenrou]

As I've stated before, 8gb have been more than enough so far BUT I've played some games that I have to tweak settings to not go over at 1440p which is kinda no bueno. My question would be, is this a programming issue, as in, bad coding/bad engines = bloated sizes or the textures are really that big and can't be shifted fast enough that 12gb+ is becoming a requirement? Or on a more tinfoil hat mood, could this be done on purpose to bump up new hardware sales?

Take DOOM Eternal as an example, still holds up very well as a visually impressive game but even on ultra settings only uses ~6.8gb 1080p, ~7gb 1440p, 7.6gb 4k (without RT), and then you have Alan Wake II max settings at ~10gb 1080p, ~11gb 1440p and ~13gb 4k (without RT) or TLoU ultra settings with ~10.8gb 1080p, ~11.2gb 1440p and ~14gb 4k (without RT) (took info from TPU), and both run MUCH slower than DOOM.

Creating new engines is all good and interesting, but at what point do we say "this one needs work", or "this one has no business existing in the 1st place"? Why not for example, if you want a game, simply contract the companies with good engines and cooperate with them on the game, fairly sure I haven't been the only one to think if this? Both Devs and coders get prestige if the game kicks off?

 

[EarthDog]

8GB works for some people, some games,

I couldn't imagine the complaints we'd see if this was true for 1080p gamers!!

 

[madman7]

Hey I'm back. I going to Micro Center tomorrow to get the parts for my new build. I got the Asrock B650E PG Riptide with the Ryzen 7600X and 16 gig of ram. I'm going to use my existing GTX 1060 6 GB video card for the time being until I can afford a new VC. I probably get another 16 gig of ram when I pick up my parts. This should last me for awhile. At least I can upgrade the CPU and VC to get a little more out of it. I hate to retire the old FX-8350 but it's time. I'll see how the new build goes. It's been some time since I built a new system.

I'll probably be on here asking you guys questions about BIOS settings and such.

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[EarthDog]

I probably get another 16 gig of ram when I pick up my parts.

Cool! Get 2x16GB sticks instead of 4x8GB... sounds like you're set!

 

[madman7]

Cool! Get 2x16GB sticks instead of 4x8GB... sounds like you're set!

That's what I'm going to do. I had one 16 GB stick but I couldn't put another stick in my cart. I can't believe the prices at Micro Center. I have never shopped there before but man did I get that 7600x cheap. Less than $100.

 

[MisterEd]

You didn't mention a drive. You did get an M.2 NVME SSD for your boot drive didn't you?

A hard drive is OK for a data drive but you will appreciate an SSD to boot from.

 

[madman7]

No I didn't. I have a 1TB hard drive I've used for Windows 10. I don't know much about SSD or how they work. Maybe I'll try to find out some stuff on them.

 

[infinitevalence]

M.2 NVME will be so much faster than using a HD for the Operating system it may break your mind.

HP EX900 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (35M35AA#ABA) - PCPartPicker

HP EX900 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (35M35AA#ABA)

pcpartpicker.com

Dirt cheep 2x your current storage, so you can just use Clonezilla to move your whole HD to the new SSD.

 

[EarthDog]

Dirt cheep 2x your current storage, so you can just use Clonezilla to move your whole HD to the new SSD.

You can... but that scary for me without a sysprep with that old of hardware. To me it would be easier to start with a fresh OS on a new rig.

 

[infinitevalence]

You can... but that scary for me without a sysprep with that old of hardware. To me it would be easier to start with a fresh OS on a new rig.

I always forget that windows people don't get the same hardware support as Linux users.

Anytime I have to travel I just image my system disk to a portable SSD. And then slap that sucker into my laptop so I don't have to bother with internet connections and hotels.

Laptop is Intel Nvidia, gaming PC is AMD - AMD

 

[EarthDog]

I always forget that windows people don't get the same hardware support as Linux users.

Anytime I have to travel I just image my system disk to a portable SSD. And then slap that sucker into my laptop so I don't have to bother with internet connections and hotels.

Laptop is Intel Nvidia, gaming PC is AMD - AMD

Yeah, a fresh install is strongly recommended with brand new hardware, especially when moving from something that old. I mean, chances are it will work even without a Sysprep, but to me, that's sloppy work and leaves you open to unoptimized performance and potential stability issues. Why take the chance with that shiny new system?

 

[Woomack]

I move my test and daily OS between AMD and Intel, both ways. All drivers for popular devices are built-in Win10/11, so it's not a problem. The only problem is when someone uses RAID for a boot drive.
I highly doubt that Linux supports many new devices. You can boot the OS and get basic functionality, but not everything works. It's hard to call it proper hardware support.

 

[EarthDog]

My review OSs for Intel and AMD are on different physical drives...I've had too much trouble with......everything mixing and matching.

 

[infinitevalence]

No doubt at the edges and specifically peripherals linux does not enjoy the same support as windows. But at the core level, IE motherboards, CPUs, GPUs, block storage, linux will run on almost anything.

 

[madman7]

I'm posting with the new rig up and running. I did get a SSD for the new install of Win11 OS. I did some reading about the SSD and learned a lot. I got a WD 1TB drive. The SSD is WD Blue SN580. My system specs are AMD Ryzen 7600X, Asrock B650E PG Riptide Mobo with 32 gig of G. Skill F5-6000 memory. I kept the GTX 1060 6 gig graphics card. So far running great. I'm now downloading stuff.
I may be asking questions about BIOS settings.

Now that the new system is up and running, I may put the old system up for sale.

 

[LRG5]

Very Happy with my old school stock AMD system

 

[Woomack]

Before I saw the screenshot, I got a blink of Athlon slot A before my eyes. The 5800X3D is new and fast stuff, nowhere close to the "old school"... at least not yet