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AMD VS Pen for best o/c

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kayl

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AMD VS Pentium for best o/c

which is the best system to o/c
pentium or AMD

what o/c are people getting on their systems:D
 

ookabooka

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Check out the forums, people post their overclocks everywhere. Typically AMD has been easier to overclock, because of the abiltiy to unlock them and get all multipliers. Since this has changed its hard to say. Basically it just comes down to how much performance could you squeeze out of the CPU, which AMD has typically won by selling underrated processors (a 2100+ processor boxed as a 1700+). People have been able to get 1700 to speeds as high as 2.4 GHZ. Its all personal opinion though.
 

alpha_gamer

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Asking something like this could start a huge fight between some members. I'm pretty unbiased but I think AMD is (was) a better overclocker, but now I'm not too sure. They're making alot of changes with these new Athlon-64 chips and I have no idea what's going on.
 

Evnas

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ookabooka said:
which AMD has typically won by selling underrated processors (a 2100+ processor boxed as a 1700+).

Both AMD and Intel have always done that. Its cheaper to produce one line, and adjust the chips settings according to demand, then produce multiple lines. Thats why you can get, for example, a 2.4C to well into the 3Ghz range, or a 2100+ up to 2.4Ghz
 

Bulwark

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wow I'm surprised no one has started killing each other yet. I'll let everyone else tell u...but don't forget the processor is just one part, you gotta also consider RAM, PSU, cooling, mobo. I had a friend with an unlocked AMD and could barely overclock it b/c he was using stock cooling.

I personally use a P4 2.4C that's been pushed to 3.0 gigs on stock cooling and 1 case fan.
 

alpha_gamer

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Bulwark said:
wow I'm surprised no one has started killing each other yet. I'll let everyone else tell u...but don't forget the processor is just one part, you gotta also consider RAM, PSU, cooling, mobo. I had a friend with an unlocked AMD and could barely overclock it b/c he was using stock cooling.

I personally use a P4 2.4C that's been pushed to 3.0 gigs on stock cooling and 1 case fan.

Wow, nice job man. For a stock HSF that's pretty damn good. But you know, with a better one you could push that CPU farther...
 

Bulwark

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Thanks...I've read what ppl have done with the 2.4C...for now I'll hold with this...wanna get some better ram first...currently using kingston valuram....
 

craigmci

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so which 2.4 the 800 or 533,will overclock the best,the 800,i think,im thinking of upgrading to p4c800-e,and not sure what to get,i dont mind spending a little more,but can you get the 2.4's as high,ive got a 2.53 533mhz now on a dell mobo,getting new case and psw,mobo,cpu(maybee),want to get away from this locked dell and do some overclocking.
 

Bulwark

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well to take mine to 3.0 gigs I just use kingston valuram...1 stick of 512 DDR400 CL2.5 cost me about $143 Canadian. I guess you could spend more on Corsair or OCZ ram but as far as I've seen that would probably only give u 300-500 mhz increase unless u started investing in some better cooling and maybe did some voltage tweaking.
 

Kenshiro

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Bulwark said:
wow I'm surprised no one has started killing each other yet.

Hah, I have to agree with you.

I am using the legendary 1800+ DLT3C JIHUB 0323. It is overclocked to 2.26Ghz with 16*141 a 1.75V. FSB limited because of my mobo, A7V8X. Not too bad for a $50 processor, right? I think I can push the CPU harder if I up the voltage, but I don't feel like using a 700 grams heatsink. It is such a pain in the *** when I have to remove it so I can go other places for network gaming.

I think dollar to dollar (comparing the system as a whole), AMD is faster. If we are just comparing CPU alone, I do believe the o/c intel will outperform an o/c AMD. But for an AMD system, you can spend so little on the CPU, and use that money for a very good video card. Games nowadays are more dependent on GPU rather than CPU anyways. Games should perform faster with a slower CPU with a powerful video card, than a faster CPU with a weak video card.

Feel free to comment, just don't flame me. I'm fragile.
 

attack

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best OCing in terms of percent the AMD XP1700/1800 DLT3C. Frequency wise...it's a close tie, but i'll give the edge to the 2.4C
1.46ghz (stock XP1700), and 2.2-2.3 is average
that's a 54% increase (using 2.25), about an 800mhz OC
2.4C's goto 3.2-3.3ghz, 35.5% and 850mhz OC

Those avgs are typical resutls I've seen on the forums with people running good air cooling (i.e. SLK800's-900's/947 etc)

Now at those OC'ed speeds the Intel is usualy faster. If you game however, and are budget limited, AMD is by far a better choice since you'll be saving 100 bucks...that 100 bucks you put into a better video card (i.e. instead of a 9600p, now your getting a 9800p) will perform noticeable better.
 

ol' man

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If you find the right proc you can do well. The 1.8A on pricewatch currently is $110 shipped. This is what I got mine too on default voltages.

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This is a D1 but the box said it is a C1.

Check this thread for the rest.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=257861

If indeed you can find this very stepping in the 1.8a variety you will have one good performer.
 

(v)estra

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thats a verry nice oc there
i have experience with both amd and intel and they run tit for tat my [email protected] with my 9500pro pulled 16.5k 3d01 and my [email protected] pulled 17k not much of a difference as for best overclocker both are even by my standards
1200mhz outa my p4
1253 outa my amd

notacable difference 0 from what i could tell anyways
preformance difference another 0 (the p4s ht is a + though better for ve and such)

both were air cooled btw u just gotta get lucky and get a good chip i was plzed with both chips preformance wise and well quite frankly the only complaint i have about either chip is the temps :p with my slk800u(on the amd) and the sp94(on the intel) they both got to 55*C full load but i will be using chilled water soon so that will drop drastically(I hope :p)

over all the way to judge which chip to get
amd=pocket book friendlyand good preformance (even on a bad chip)
intel=owch and a little better preformance(if u get a good chip)

if anyone wants to flame me go right ahead
 

Kenshiro

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Bulwark said:
I think that's a fair assessment. won't find ne arguments from me...let alone flames.

Agreed. It is a fair assessment. But I am just surprise that the 3.6Ghz pentium does not have much advantage over 2.5Ghz at all. I thought the 3.6Ghz would have blown the AMDs away.
 

Mr. $T$

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Actually AMD has never really oc'ed really well till the Barton, Pally's, T-breds and T-birds came around. T-Birds did ok the Pally's later could do 2GHz with water and T-Breds were the First AMD processors to really break the old mold with the lower ends sometimes doing a 1GHz OC on high end air. Intels on the other hand are generally really good ocers from the old celerons to coppermines and the Northwood, sure there were a few that did not do well but for the most part they have been pretty good for a while.

From experence Intel has been easy with a well desinged Heatsink hold down device and the IHS so the core is protected. AMD learned the hardway when the T-Birds cores are so easly chipped from a off set heatsink. And when a heatsink fell off you basically had two seconds to turn your computer off before you smoked your processor. With an p4 you could buy a box processor use the stock heatsink and take the thing up 500MHz no problem, with the AMD you will usally buy OEM, because the stock HS is better suited as a paperweight, and then choose a good HS to get a decent overclock.

I suggest a new person use Intel becuase there is less to go wrong and then get a AMD as the person gets more advanced. I personally like to OC a AMD chip better because it is fun, there is more of a challenge to push a chip higher. For the longest time I had a little old 1700+ running at 2.4GHz and 2.1v it did flawlessly on air till summer rolled around then I had to bump it down to 2GHz :(. But with the bartons being locked I don't know if what I said above will be true anymore......