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AMD's Dirty Little Secret - RX 6300
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Considering it is a Dell OEM LP card for their SFF desktops, it's designed to run Excel and PowerPoint.
A good review would compare it against AMD APUs and Intel in-CPU graphics in productivity-oriented benchmarks.
A good review would compare it against AMD APUs and Intel in-CPU graphics in productivity-oriented benchmarks.
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That would be the point of the review. If the APUs are better, it would prove the card doesn't need to exist. lolAgreed, but since when does office work need a dedicated GPU? An AMD/Intel APU would certainly be better in this particular situation, IMHO there's really no point in this card existing, especially with only 2gb VRAM
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Exactly, so why do companies keep doing it? As posted above, same with the 1030, what was the point, flooding the market with random crap and hoping something sticks?
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In AMD's case it was left over mobile chips that were not selling so they put it on a PCB and released it so as to not waste the silicon. If all you need to do is light up a display its good enough.
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Before Zen 4, Ryzen chiplet based CPUs didn't have GPU out. What if you need the higher performance of those CPUs than an APU with more cut backs at a given core count?
Even if you have an APU, maybe you need more display outputs than the mobo provides.
I didn't realise the 6300 was a downclocked 6400, and further crippled with half the VRAM quantity and bandwidth. In nvidia's case, the 1030 was a dedicated smaller die than the nearest 1050.
There will always be situations where there could be a use for this. It certainly isn't for everyone, but those that want it can have it. Before anyone says, get an older used GPU, that path is not an option in many situations.
Even if you have an APU, maybe you need more display outputs than the mobo provides.
I didn't realise the 6300 was a downclocked 6400, and further crippled with half the VRAM quantity and bandwidth. In nvidia's case, the 1030 was a dedicated smaller die than the nearest 1050.
There will always be situations where there could be a use for this. It certainly isn't for everyone, but those that want it can have it. Before anyone says, get an older used GPU, that path is not an option in many situations.
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like your Aunt Judy who needs something that works for her new 4k monitor that is scaled up 200% so she can read the font, but her jurassic Dell optiplex cant run 4k on the intel IGP.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas!
Yeah, forgot... only this gen did AMD get a iGPU. There are plenty of situations where desktop-class CPU horsepower is needed (or just bought, lol) and they just need an image on the screen.
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Honestly I'm happy for cards like this. I've blown GPUs before on systems without an iGPU. Sometimes I'm not in a position to drop $600 on a card, but can grab one that costs a tenth of that just to keep the system up.
I got this little card today, used from a reseller that seems to sell used dell parts.
I understand that many people see this card as a joke. Awkward 3D capabilities, 2GB of VRAM, no encode/transcode capabilities.
But look at this card in another way. What if you are looking for a GPU that has descent vpu decode capabilities for a linux media player / web browsing / doing casual stuff box? I know, nearly every APU can do that job, but what if you have a CPU without graphics lying around? At least in the US these cards sell for 40+ bucks at the moment. And the fan starts turning at 60+ degrees, so below it is a passive and silent card. Under Linux systems with Vega drivers it is a plug and play card. Measured power consumption is 2W idle (2D desktop), 3-5W web browsing, office use etc., 4-8W decoding videos in 1080p. TDP is 25W, TGP is 32W. The N6 processing lets this card stay very cool and silent, using little power at nearly every scenario but 3D rendering. And I think this is exactly what this card was designed for.
And since there are little other options for cards that use as little power as this one, it is a viable option. At least for Linux. If you have a non video-out CPU or an APU under Linux that has no support from open source drivers (yeah, I am looking at you, ARM boards with a PCIe slot or an M.2 to PCIe solution), you could just drop in this card with a under 10 bucks adapter for M.2 and have a power saving, silent ARM daily use PC running Linux.
Of course you could say, you rather use Intel's A310 or A380, because you would have transcoding capabilities and AV1, but try to find one in a single slot, low profile configuration. You would find ONE (the sparkle ECO), and that one shouts your ears off with its silly fan and stupid firmware fan controls that, if you read a lot about it, did not get fixed within 2 years of its release and now. Also the price starts at 110€ here in Europe (right now).
So, for my personal 24/7 computer I use for video decoding, playing audio and videos, that runs passively cooled in my bedroom and therefore silent, it would be a very viable option, if it did not have an APU (AMD Ryzen 5600G).
Right now I have another project in mind, the Radxa Orion O6. Sure, open source is not established yet contrary to the marketing that shouted "open source from day 1, ready to use". But apart from the GPU most parts already work. And since VPU drivers for any ARM thing on Linux takes the longest time to be realized (if at all), this RX 6300 will combine snuggly to the ARM CPU/APU to provide function with open source drivers. And it seems to keep its fan deactivated (or mine is defective, IDK). So it is silent and right now runs at 38°C at 16°C ambient (opened windows right now).
I just wanted to give my two cents about niche use cases. And considering that you might have a mainboard, CPU and RAM lying around, could downclock and undervolt the sh1t out of it and drop this RX 6300 in and have a go for a very silent system, is a use case in my mind.
I understand that many people see this card as a joke. Awkward 3D capabilities, 2GB of VRAM, no encode/transcode capabilities.
But look at this card in another way. What if you are looking for a GPU that has descent vpu decode capabilities for a linux media player / web browsing / doing casual stuff box? I know, nearly every APU can do that job, but what if you have a CPU without graphics lying around? At least in the US these cards sell for 40+ bucks at the moment. And the fan starts turning at 60+ degrees, so below it is a passive and silent card. Under Linux systems with Vega drivers it is a plug and play card. Measured power consumption is 2W idle (2D desktop), 3-5W web browsing, office use etc., 4-8W decoding videos in 1080p. TDP is 25W, TGP is 32W. The N6 processing lets this card stay very cool and silent, using little power at nearly every scenario but 3D rendering. And I think this is exactly what this card was designed for.
And since there are little other options for cards that use as little power as this one, it is a viable option. At least for Linux. If you have a non video-out CPU or an APU under Linux that has no support from open source drivers (yeah, I am looking at you, ARM boards with a PCIe slot or an M.2 to PCIe solution), you could just drop in this card with a under 10 bucks adapter for M.2 and have a power saving, silent ARM daily use PC running Linux.
Of course you could say, you rather use Intel's A310 or A380, because you would have transcoding capabilities and AV1, but try to find one in a single slot, low profile configuration. You would find ONE (the sparkle ECO), and that one shouts your ears off with its silly fan and stupid firmware fan controls that, if you read a lot about it, did not get fixed within 2 years of its release and now. Also the price starts at 110€ here in Europe (right now).
So, for my personal 24/7 computer I use for video decoding, playing audio and videos, that runs passively cooled in my bedroom and therefore silent, it would be a very viable option, if it did not have an APU (AMD Ryzen 5600G).
Right now I have another project in mind, the Radxa Orion O6. Sure, open source is not established yet contrary to the marketing that shouted "open source from day 1, ready to use". But apart from the GPU most parts already work. And since VPU drivers for any ARM thing on Linux takes the longest time to be realized (if at all), this RX 6300 will combine snuggly to the ARM CPU/APU to provide function with open source drivers. And it seems to keep its fan deactivated (or mine is defective, IDK). So it is silent and right now runs at 38°C at 16°C ambient (opened windows right now).
I just wanted to give my two cents about niche use cases. And considering that you might have a mainboard, CPU and RAM lying around, could downclock and undervolt the sh1t out of it and drop this RX 6300 in and have a go for a very silent system, is a use case in my mind.
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