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No.Are DDR5 boards backwards compatible? Can you use DDR4 with them?
Dude....if you check that link and click "configure" you can see all the different options available for that build. The website does have DDR5 boards....just not for that build.No.
Though you can use ddr4 with z690 and the 12 series cpus....as you know/oc.uk shows. Apparently they aren't offering ddr5 boards?? Perhaps because ddr5 still isn't available in abundance.
I checked the link. I didn't deep dive into it/configure...just clicked on 'more' for motherboards and they were all DD4 'for that build'.Dude....if you check that link and click "configure" you can see all the different options available for that build. The website does have DDR5 boards....just not for that build.
I think you confused yourself...that board CAN do ddr4, but it CAN'T do DDR5. There is a DDR5 version of that mobo, but it's not in the list of available mobos for that specific custom build.
Check out the link and you can see what is available and what is not.
Yeah, for the most part, video card prices are what's done that. Prices have come down quite a bit from the peak, that's for sure.And the joke is now it's no longer cheaper to "build your own pc" It's actually cheaper to get a pre-built system where these companies have bought the components in bulk for specific builds.
You know....if I do go with this system, I think I am going to go with the Phanteks Enthoo 719 instead. It looks pretty good, and the design is just more practical.I checked the link. I didn't deep dive into it/configure...just clicked on 'more' for motherboards and they were all DD4 'for that build'.
RE: DDR5.. I'm not confused. I wasn't referring to your board specifically, but Z690 in general. Z690 platform handles both DDR4 and DDR5, just not on the same board (as in DDR4 and DDR5 do not fit in the same slots). That said, there are DDR4 and DDR5 versions of some boards as you know. So a [insert brand here] Z690 xxx DDR4 and Z690 xxx DDR5.
Yeah, for the most part, video card prices are what's done that. Prices have come down quite a bit from the peak, that's for sure.
Did you look at the components I went with? What I said doesn't apply to people who have enough money to buy the best mobos and best ddr5 on the market.Don't base on popular website comparisons for DDR4 vs DDR5. Most of them are just pathetic, written by clueless people who want to prove that DDR5 is bad to make noise on youtube or whatever. It has nothing to do with real comparison on higher series components. In all early comparisons are DDR5-4800 or 5200 kits at CL40 or something near. No one who buys higher series motherboards, buys the cheapest DDR5, especially that their price is not so much lower. If you compare DDR5 6000/6200 at CL36 or less then it's already better and from this point, you can go up to 6400+ CL32.
Also, most comparisons include 2x8GB DDR4 kits at 3600 CL14 or 4000 CL14/16 Gear1 (most motherboards can't run 4000 Gear1) vs basic DDR5. All popular DDR5 are in 32GB kits so to match DDR5-5600 performance, you need 32GB 4000+ kit. Good luck finding anything cheap at tight timings. It's either still expensive Samsung B or Hynix/Micron at CL18/20.
Typical DDR4 kit at 3600/4000 XMP CL14/16 has ~55ns latency in AIDA64 and 55GB/s bandwidth (+/- 5GB/s depending on platform). Typical DDR5-6200 CL36 kit has ~60ns latency but 90GB/s+ bandwidth. This is a different generation and architecture. You can't compare only CL in RAM for ages, there are like 50+ additional timings that affect the performance even more and most of them are the same for DDR4 and DDR5.
However, buying DDR5 for the performance gain is not the best idea when you already have DDR4. The performance gain in games will be maybe 1-3% (more if you manually overclock it but for that you need good motherboard). In other programs it looks better. DDR5 is a good option if you are already spending a lot and don't want to buy "old" technology.
Don't buy ASUS Hero. They had design flaw and you never know what you get as they were not selling well, so may collect dust in some stores. The same ASUS Apex can be after the return as they had faulty RAM slots and for example Amazon had a lot of returns for this model. (this has nothing to do with my current ASUS RMA) MSI seems solid and cheaper.
From RAM, check ADATA as their prices are typically lower. There are sometimes promos for other brands too and generally DDR5-6200 will be about the same as DDR5-6400 but much cheaper.
XBOX?For gaming only, XBOX seems like a better idea looking at prices and what you actually get, but not all games are good for gamepads and not all are available for consoles.
Yea...well what are the chances RTX4000s will be less than 2K? And that would probably be MRP. And I haven't seen or heard anything from retailers to indicate scalpers won't just use bots to buy up the stock just the past few generations making the cards 2.5K at least lolI wouldn't invest £1k+ in RTX3000 right now unless you really need a new PC. RTX4000 and new Radeons will be released in ~3-4 months. No one knows what about availability and prices, but will be for sure better.
Ok I watched a video of someone testing a few 3080Tis and the cooler seems to perform worse and is louder. So I was looking at some MSi seeing as they seem to have the best prices from the major brands.Inno3D is let's say low-end brand, the same as Palit, Gainward, and Zotac. Prices are going down probably because barely anyone buys it. The card will work fine but hard to say if the cooler is good quality and won't make noise under load.
FTR, it's against the rules here to discuss pirating/wares etc. Please see the forum rules. How you procure your games (being shady) isn't our business.XBOX?Prices are not good when you consider you can just pirate so many more games on the PC. The gamepads vs mouse & keyboard thing ended years ago when consoles came out with USB ports lol
You can use gamepad or mouse & keyboards on consoles and PC .
There will be models under 2K... just like there are now and what MSRP was upon release. Most places have put some form of bot management in, but nothing is perfect. It is what it is. Either you're trying to buy a GPU in today's market or you're not.Yea...well what are the chances RTX4000s will be less than 2K? And that would probably be MRP. And I haven't seen or heard anything from retailers to indicate scalpers won't just use bots to buy up the stock just the past few generations making the cards 2.5K at least lol
I'd have to google and look it up just the same, bud. Look up some reviews and specifications... look at the power delivery... cooling prowess etc. At a high level, the Gaming X Trio is the higher-end card in the product stack. If they are not reviewed directly, look at other models Ventus and Trio models that sport the same coolers to see how they perform. That said, these all tend to perform within a few C of each other and decibels in the first place so....Do you know the difference between GEFORCE RTX 3080 TI VENTUS 3X 12G OC, and the GeForce RTX™ 3080 Ti GAMING X TRIO 12G?
Both are MSI and seem to have the same specs....but the is like £100 more.
I have to disagree here. Consoles force you into a subscription model just for the privilege of playing your games online. And the Mixed pass is also another subscription. By the end of the console's life cycle, you would have spent way over 2K on that console. The PC is just a single payment, console is spread over many years.Anyway £470 is hard to beat when you spend over £2k for a gaming PC
You've disagreed with a lot of what we have to say in this long build thread... are you asking questions and getting our opinions or looking to tell us we're wrong in our responses?I have to disagree here.
Yes, you pay for a service for online access, indeed. You can also, optionally, pay for another service that gives you access to dozens of games every month. It's how they work these days. Sadly, the 90s and days of disks/cartridges are long gone.Consoles force you into a subscription model just for the privilege of playing your games online.
Well, for the overwhelming majority who actually pay for new titles, you'll spend for new games throughout the life of your PC AND console.... be it a subscription service that gives you access to a shedload of games, or through buying them and downloading. But really, we're here to help you with your build in this thread, not discuss the merits/demerits of consoles (we can do that in another thread if you want!). It was just a suggestion.The PC is just a single payment, console is spread over many years.
I didn't know consoled can do 4K at 60FPS. Either way, I don't have a 4K TV so that's not even a consern lolIt'll cost you an arm and a leg to get 4K with AA at 60 FPS on a PC (in other words, $500 is a great deal and you can spend the other $1000 on buying games legitimately.
There are models under 2K NOW...after a year since these cards released lolThere will be models under 2K... just like there are now and what MSRP was upon release
I was initially going to go with this because it was the cheapest, but I saw a video where it was getting like 10 Celsius more than other cards under load.That said, these all tend to perform within a few C of each other and decibels in the first place so
That's your take... and respectfully, disagree with that attitude. You're doing it 'outside the law'. Keep it to yourself, capisci?I really don't feel bad about ripping off companies who are ripping everyone off big time "within the law"
Well, for the overwhelming majority who actually pay for new titles, you'll spend for new games throughout the life of your PC AND console.... be it a subscription service that gives you access to a shedload of games, or through buying them and downloading. But really, we're here to help you with your build in this thread, not discuss the merits/demerits of consoles (we can do that in another thread if you want!). It was just a suggestion.![]()
Fine I won't mention it. But I have zero issues with breaking certain laws when the laws are paid for by the same people that rip us all off lolThat's your take... and respectfully, disagree with that attitude. You're doing it 'outside the law'. Keep it to yourself, capisci?
Yes, you pointed that out multiple times... we understood you didn't agree the first time, I promise. But please understand the math...your build is over 3K, so that's at least $2500 to throw at a console for subscripts, games, etc. after buying itI was just pointing out even without the game the additional subscription costs would end up costing you like 2K in the long run.
Exactly how long do you think a console's life span is? Because it's usually at least 6 years lol $600(console) + $360 (6 month sub) = $960 So about $2000 left for games for 6 years which might be fine. My whole point was that it will be the same cost as buying a PC in the long run, if not more. So it comes down to how many games you play I suppose. I think after 6+ years, you would end up spending the same as a 3K gaming PC.Yes, you pointed that out multiple times... we understood you didn't agree the first time, I promise. But please understand the math...your build is over 3K, so that's at least $2500 to throw at a console for subscripts, games, etc. after buying it. I guess you won't buy any PC games after the $3000+ spend (that's right, you steal them, lol)? With some "a full version is $100" (most are $60 to get into a game) so if you're like most users who actually spend money on games. that's another$1200-$1400 (or ~$720 if $60 games) annually.......
But honestly, I don't want to beat this drum (in this thread) anymore... If you want to have a back and forth about consoles v PC, start a new thread. Here, let's focus on your hardware!
Worth it is up to you, bud. As was said earlier, there are different coolers and different power delivery, etc. all a part of the extra expense. I thought we mentioned performance differences were meager already as well...Is that really worth £60 more?![]()
What is this magical "underlying point" because I did the maths for you to see. You got like $2000 till the end of the console's life to spend on games which is usually like 6 years or more.Again, for another thread...............on top of it, you keep repeating the same things over and over AND glossing over/missing the underlying point (including missing the point on the math/total cost of ownership...). Not a fun discussion when it's a one-way thing...![]()
Worth it is up to you, bud. As was said earlier, there are different coolers and different power delivery, etc. all a part of the extra expense. I thought we mentioned performance differences were meager already as well...