are low speed Thoroughbred's out yet?

[sendatooli]

i thought i read like a month ago on the front page of this site that Thoroughbred 1800's are out? the latest news on the front page says no Thoroughbred's are'nt available yet.
i guess i was not reading carefully.
when they come out how to tell which one are Thoroughbred's? the date code?


sendatooli.

 

[sendatooli]

nevermind, i just found out about this. they will be available the end of this month/begining of next month. starting at 2200+. same performance as palamino. smaller die(.13). does not overclock any better than palamino.


sendatooli.

 

[donny_paycheck]

smaller die(.13). does not overclock any better than palamino.

On the contrary, they should be much better overclockers than the Palamino Athlons. The Northwood P4s are a great example of the difference an aperture size reduction can make in overclockability. They will run cooler, use less power and hit higher clock speeds than the Palaminos.

 

[Oni]

They will run cooler, use less power and hit higher clock speeds than the Palaminos.

We hope, anyways.

 

[AntiHeiss]

nevermind, i just found out about this. they will be available the end of this month/begining of next month. starting at 2200+. same performance as palamino. smaller die(.13). does not overclock any better than palamino.


sendatooli.

Oh how wrong you are. You see the new cores have more head room than the Palominos....you can't overclock a current XP 2000+ very well because there isn't much left in the core to overclock. the 2000+'s are the cream of the crop already. The T-breds are going to have all the head room in the world especialy when they first come out. You will be able to push a T-bred farther. Palomino was the entry level. T-bred is the clean up hitter. The cores on the new T-breds are going to put overclocking on a level not felt in a while. Trust me, I know.

 

[sendatooli]

i was just going by what i read on some other site. the guy said he had a engineering sample that didn't o/c any better than a palamino.

i guess we will have to wait and see. hopefully the wait isn't too long.


sendatooli.

 

[h0mersimps0n]

OK, I found two articles about thoroughbreds that are hot off the presses

This article concerns compatibility issues (even though its obvious the t-breds are going to be compatable with current mobo's its still nice to read about the t-breds):

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1017376454



Here is an article about the release date of T-breds:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1017654792

Can anyone confirm this new information that came out this week... are we really looking at JUNE!??!

 

[MrRealityman1]

so let me get this strate. the T-breds are compatible with all the XP/MP socket A motherboards? And how fast can the T-breads go?

 

[trey_w]

I don't know who said that the T- Breds were not good overclockers, but i think everyone will be happy when i can release my results from Project COOL.

 

[Bruno]

How soon will we see PROJECT COOL, Trey?

BRUNO

 

[Arkaine23]

T-breds

I keep trying to reach I guy I know who works at AMD here in Austin. He's offered me cheap, new cpu's b4 their actual release in the past, so maybe I can get some T-breds a bit early. No luck getting a hold of him yet...

 

[trey_w]

Well, most likely we can release info once the T- Breds are released. Our final results won't be done until the early summer, as we prepare to publish an article and go down to National Instruments in Austin and enter the Contest their.

They have them in austin at the AMD plant, thats where we are getting ours,

we are also testing the mobile .13 micron chips

Hopefully we get our Hammer's in before long.

ALL information about Project COOL can be found at

www.dmerz.com

 

[Arkaine23]

Austin Rulez!

Yep, gotta lotta tech here. I've worked at National Instruments and Solectron in the past. I really need to get back into the tech industry and get a job at AMD!

 

[ol' man]

Oh how wrong you are. You see the new cores have more head room than the Palominos....you can't overclock a current XP 2000+ very well because there isn't much left in the core to overclock. the 2000+'s are the cream of the crop already. The T-breds are going to have all the head room in the world especialy when they first come out. You will be able to push a T-bred farther. Palomino was the entry level. T-bred is the clean up hitter. The cores on the new T-breds are going to put overclocking on a level not felt in a while. Trust me, I know.

I am not sure who to trust.

English summary!
We received the same Thoroughbred CPU to our testlab which was seen at the Cebit 2002. The core of the CPU is built on 0.13µ process technology and it's considerably smaller than the 0.18µ Palomino core. The surface are of Thoroughbred core is 80mm2 and Palomino's core is 128mm2. It says "Mechanical Sample" on the top of the T-Bred core. There is also a sticker which says AIQAA-stepping and 0204. This means that the CPU was finished at week 4/02.

I installed Thoroughbred to new Epox 8K3A+ motherboard and turned the power on. Everything went fine although 8K3A+ didn't recognize Thorougbred and said it was Unknown CPU type. Default multiplier seems to be 11x so the CPU was working at 1466MHz clock frequency. PR-Rating would be equal to 1700+. I don't know the offical Vcore for Thoroughbred but I adjusted it to 1,65V. System booted fine to Windows XP.

I ran few tests and didn't face any problems. Unfortunately I can't tell you any benchmark scores but since there are no differences between Palomino and Thoroughbred than manufacturing process, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out that there are not much which could bring more performance.

The next thing I tried, was overclocking the CPU. With 1,65V Vcore I was able to reach 1550MHz. With 1,75V Vcore I was able to pass all benchmarks when the CPU was running at 1600MHz (equal to 1900+).

That is pretty agressive cooling to only hit 1600MHz on 1.75v with the T-BRED.



Here is a link to the above article and review.

http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/tbred_sample/

Theoretically a .13u XP should scale to the moon but here it is not. They put out almost the same amount of watts as the paly also. I don't have a link for that but if you dispute it I will easily find one.

 

[ol' man]

WCPUID

SANDRA

 

[sendatooli]

ol' man i read the same article. that is what i was going by.



sendatooli.

 

[donny_paycheck]

You guys should note that this is a pre-release CPU though and no doubt is vastly inferior to what the first released stepping will be. I would wait to make a judgement until the first chips go on the market. These will undoubtedly be better performers than this sample chip. Not to mention the successive steppings....they will only get better.