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The "final" fix isn't out yet, and the interim fix is quite the mixed bag although I don't recall any reports of it getting worse than before. Look at testing once that is available and decide then.
Thanks for the reply, in fact I was very surprised when a week ago when wccftech said that in practice there would have been an 18% performance improvement on cyberpunk only to be denied today with a tweet that said the exact opposite, in practice 18 % less on cyberpunk after bios update.
I think I will buy this new platform anyway, I have always relied on Intel and personally when I used AMD a few times I always found it bad
 
I get +/- 1FPS in CP2077 between 113 and 114 microcode at 1440p and ultra details.

The new Intel isn't bad, but everyone was expecting some more. The new AMD isn't bad, but except for the 9800X3D, everyone was expecting some more. The only CPU that really sells in the last weeks is the 9800X3D ... sells, if you can even find it in stores.

The last three beta BIOS versions from ASRock are +/- the same. All have the 114 microcode. If they could squeeze some more out of 114 microcode, then we could see it. Since they can't, we have to wait for the next update.
 
Thanks for the reply, in fact I was very surprised when a week ago when wccftech said that in practice there would have been an 18% performance improvement on cyberpunk only to be denied today with a tweet that said the exact opposite, in practice 18 % less on cyberpunk after bios update.
I think I will buy this new platform anyway, I have always relied on Intel and personally when I used AMD a few times I always found it bad
Who is this person making that claim? Is there a good reason for you to believe them? Look at wider testing, think, then decide. Especially if what you want isn't what they tested.
 
ottengo +/- 1FPS in CP2077 tra 113 e 114 microcodice a 1440p e ultra dettagli.

La nuova Intel non è male, ma tutti se ne aspettavano un pò di più. La nuova AMD non è male, ma tranne che per la 9800X3D, tutti se ne aspettavano un pò di più. L'unica CPU che vende davvero nelle ultime settimane è la 9800X3D ... vende, se riesci a trovarla anche nei negozi.

Le ultime tre versioni del BIOS beta di ASRock sono +/- lo stesso. Tutti hanno il microcodice 114. Se riuscissero a spremere ancora un po' di microcodice su 114, allora potremmo vederlo. Dato che non possono, dobbiamo aspettare il prossimo aggiornamento.
how are you finding the new asrocks? I'm undecided between msi and asrock, both good MBs in my opinion
Chi è questa persona che fa questa affermazione? C'è una buona ragione per credergli? Guarda test più ampi, pensa, poi decidi. Soprattutto se quello che vuoi non è quello che hanno testato.
Here are the two articles.
In the first they say that they are very good, in the second the opposite of everything...

 

I'm currently using the Z890I Nova from the review on my 24/7 PC. It's 100% stable, has no issues, etc. The Z890 OCF is used for RAM tests right now. I also tested the Z890 Taichi Lite, and it was working great, too.
Gigabyte also works without issues, but ASRock in this gen has better RAM support. It doesn't matter much as it's ~9200 vs ~9466, and almost only few top, 2-slot mobos will make more. The best performance-wise is still 8800-9200 Gear 2. It's more a matter of luck as 8800 Gear 2 should make every average CPU. 9000 is already not as easy, and 9200 will make top ~5% CPUs. On the other hand, 8000-8200 UDIMM is barely slower. The good thing is that the new Intel actually makes use of fast RAM.

Nowadays, most people share only negative things about Intel, while the same people share good things about AMD, even though the 9000 series is probably as disappointing as Arrow Lake. At the same time, Intel still has over 65% of the market, and it's not really changing even though we could hear a lot about the last gen fails.
People say that the Arrow Lake doesn't sell. Still, the largest stores make pre-orders for the 285K and mark the new series as a "top seller."
"Leakers" and "news posters" hate Intel, so this is only what you can expect from them.
Most "reviewers" hate Intel until they get free stuff, and then it's fine. It's like they got free CPUs, but are reviewing for free (read, get only review samples, but no steady salary), then it's great. If it's their main job and have to return samples then it's bad.

Nowadays, you won't find a 100% trustworthy source. I recommend focusing on what is most important to you. Both sides have well-designed motherboards, and I haven't noticed any stability issues on leading motherboard brands. Even if some websites report 10-20% lower performance in something caused by a lack of optimizations, then it's still more than enough for pretty much everything. It's also not bad, but the expectations are higher.
I wouldn't use Arrow Lake in my daily PC if it were bad, as it literally runs 24/7. I'm happy with what it offers. Of course, it could be better, but it still looks better than the last gen.

Wccftech.com is more of a leaker than a trustworthy source. It started by flooding the web with unconfirmed "news." You may wonder how they get many things first on the web and how everything spreads due to many other websites that repost them. Everything repeated enough times on the web, miraculously becomes true.
 
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Ok, that was from CapFrameX, or I guess more precisely the person behind the benchmarking/testing software of the same name. It was a long time ago, they wrote something I viewed as severely wrong so I ignored them from that point on. I can't even remember what it was. Looking through their tweets recently, they seem to moan a lot. Doesn't look like I'm missing much. Also of the leak/rumour sites, I find Videocardz to be better presented than WCCF. Not great by any means, just less bad. Writers seem to struggle to understand the tech they're writing about, but if you can sift through that there can be some nuggets worth pondering over.

Back to that claim, it was one source making one claim, without any further details than a chart showing it was supposedly bad. At least find other people who have done similar testing and see if there is a consensus. The TechPowerUp testing I linked earlier doesn't appear to include that game, which if memory serves was one of the worst performing at Arrow Lake launch.
 
Ok, that was from CapFrameX, or I guess more precisely the person behind the benchmarking/testing software of the same name. It was a long time ago, they wrote something I viewed as severely wrong so I ignored them from that point on. I can't even remember what it was. Looking through their tweets recently, they seem to moan a lot. Doesn't look like I'm missing much. Also of the leak/rumour sites, I find Videocardz to be better presented than WCCF. Not great by any means, just less bad. Writers seem to struggle to understand the tech they're writing about, but if you can sift through that there can be some nuggets worth pondering over.

Back to that claim, it was one source making one claim, without any further details than a chart showing it was supposedly bad. At least find other people who have done similar testing and see if there is a consensus. The TechPowerUp testing I linked earlier doesn't appear to include that game, which if memory serves was one of the worst performing at Arrow Lake launch.

I'm currently using the Z890I Nova from the review on my 24/7 PC. It's 100% stable, has no issues, etc. The Z890 OCF is used for RAM tests right now. I also tested the Z890 Taichi Lite, and it was working great, too.
Gigabyte also works without issues, but ASRock in this gen has better RAM support. It doesn't matter much as it's ~9200 vs ~9466, and almost only few top, 2-slot mobos will make more. The best performance-wise is still 8800-9200 Gear 2. It's more a matter of luck as 8800 Gear 2 should make every average CPU. 9000 is already not as easy, and 9200 will make top ~5% CPUs. On the other hand, 8000-8200 UDIMM is barely slower. The good thing is that the new Intel actually makes use of fast RAM.

Nowadays, most people share only negative things about Intel, while the same people share good things about AMD, even though the 9000 series is probably as disappointing as Arrow Lake. At the same time, Intel still has over 65% of the market, and it's not really changing even though we could hear a lot about the last gen fails.
People say that the Arrow Lake doesn't sell. Still, the largest stores make pre-orders for the 285K and mark the new series as a "top seller."
"Leakers" and "news posters" hate Intel, so this is only what you can expect from them.
Most "reviewers" hate Intel until they get free stuff, and then it's fine. It's like they got free CPUs, but are reviewing for free (read, get only review samples, but no steady salary), then it's great. If it's their main job and have to return samples then it's bad.

Nowadays, you won't find a 100% trustworthy source. I recommend focusing on what is most important to you. Both sides have well-designed motherboards, and I haven't noticed any stability issues on leading motherboard brands. Even if some websites report 10-20% lower performance in something caused by a lack of optimizations, then it's still more than enough for pretty much everything. It's also not bad, but the expectations are higher.
I wouldn't use Arrow Lake in my daily PC if it were bad, as it literally runs 24/7. I'm happy with what it offers. Of course, it could be better, but it still looks better than the last gen.

Wccftech.com is more of a leaker than a trustworthy source. It started by flooding the web with unconfirmed "news." You may wonder how they get many things first on the web and how everything spreads due to many other websites that repost them. Everything repeated enough times on the web, miraculously becomes true.

Thanks for your valuable and visionary advice, now I have a system based on msi unify x with 14700k, the memories are gskill 7800 cl 36.
My idea was to sell the system and keep the memories that are still very valid.
The asrock taichi ocf is truly wonderful, electrically and constructively, compared to the unify for 500 euros I would find it an excellent purchase, also to drive future cpu that will come out after these ultra.
The indecision remains on the cpu precisely. ultra5? ultra7? without integrated gpu do they push better or are they identical? I read here and there that the ultra5 is more easily pushable and gives better results in overclocking. What do you think?
Considering that it will drive the future 5080,
Thanks in advance
 
All is a matter of luck. The KF series lacks graphics but overclocks the same, and at least my local stores have them at a barely lower price. IGP is sometimes helpful if you suspect graphics card issues.
I got 2x 265K, and I find them optimal as they're not much worse than the 285K, but are significantly cheaper. Actually, in plans, there was one, but I ordered two "just in case" on the premiere date when there were problems with availability, and both arrived. Later, I thought I would make use of them as it was easier to bench two different rigs without switching CPUs. In the end, one went to my daily PC, and one left for tests and reviews.

I will only tell you that the average CPU will make ~5.5GHz / all P cores and ~4.9GHz / all E-cores. An above-average will make +100MHz. The same results on a 280mm AIO and a larger custom loop or 420mm AIO. If I'm right, the 285K OC about the same at manual settings. It just boosts higher at auto/stock settings.
Memory controllers are also a matter of luck. Press releases with RAM at 9600MT/s+ or OC records at 12k+ have 265K and KF, 285K and KF. The main difference is how high the CPU will run at Gear 2. It's hard to predict as even below-average CPU can give good results.
UDIMM run up to 8600 on ASRock mobos. I could set quite easily 8400 CL38 on Kingston Renegade LE 2x24GB 8000 kit and 8600 CL40 on Predator Hera 8000 2x16GB.

The last MSI that I liked was Z590I Unify. Z690 Unify-X was below average, and I mean even cheaper models from other brands were better. It's still a good mobo, but it simply doesn't support faster RAM. Z890 Unify-X seems pretty good, but I have ASRock OCF, so I don't really need anything else for tests.
 
All is a matter of luck. The KF series lacks graphics but overclocks the same, and at least my local stores have them at a barely lower price. IGP is sometimes helpful if you suspect graphics card issues.
I got 2x 265K, and I find them optimal as they're not much worse than the 285K, but are significantly cheaper. Actually, in plans, there was one, but I ordered two "just in case" on the premiere date when there were problems with availability, and both arrived. Later, I thought I would make use of them as it was easier to bench two different rigs without switching CPUs. In the end, one went to my daily PC, and one left for tests and reviews.

I will only tell you that the average CPU will make ~5.5GHz / all P cores and ~4.9GHz / all E-cores. An above-average will make +100MHz. The same results on a 280mm AIO and a larger custom loop or 420mm AIO. If I'm right, the 285K OC about the same at manual settings. It just boosts higher at auto/stock settings.
Memory controllers are also a matter of luck. Press releases with RAM at 9600MT/s+ or OC records at 12k+ have 265K and KF, 285K and KF. The main difference is how high the CPU will run at Gear 2. It's hard to predict as even below-average CPU can give good results.
UDIMM run up to 8600 on ASRock mobos. I could set quite easily 8400 CL38 on Kingston Renegade LE 2x24GB 8000 kit and 8600 CL40 on Predator Hera 8000 2x16GB.

The last MSI that I liked was Z590I Unify. Z690 Unify-X was below average, and I mean even cheaper models from other brands were better. It's still a good mobo, but it simply doesn't support faster RAM. Z890 Unify-X seems pretty good, but I have ASRock OCF, so I don't really need anything else for tests.
You made a great choice with the asrock ocf, without a doubt it is one of the best, if not the best motherboard for current intel cpu. don't make the same mistake I made with my unify, taking a k cpu, consider that both the unify and the asrock ocf do not have the hdmi output and display port making the card completely useless if you want to use the integrated video in the cpu, unfortunately I discovered this after selling the video card, but I think that for these high-level mb it is normal to remove the hdmi output.
In the past for the 13xxx 14xxx kf series it was often said that they overclocked better, but actually I think it is a question of luck, in the end given the low price that you have to pay I would still take the ultra 7 k, and I agree with you that it is probably the best balanced cpu of the entire series.
 
You made a great choice with the asrock ocf, without a doubt it is one of the best, if not the best motherboard for current intel cpu.
If you consider that 95%+ of Z890 motherboards will overclock the same using ambient cooling methods (for less $), what makes it one of/the best?

consider that both the unify and the asrock ocf do not have the hdmi output and display port making the card completely useless if you want to use the integrated video in the cpu,
You can use the TB4 Type-C ports for video. Just get Type-C to HDMI/DP cable... ;)

For example...

C to DP - https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Aluminum-USB-C-DisplayPort-Cable/dp/B081VKXFSC
C to HDMI - https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-QGeeM-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Pixelbook/dp/B07JW7GT7H
 
If you consider that 95%+ of Z890 motherboards will overclock the same using ambient cooling methods (for less $), what makes it one of/the best?


You can use the TB4 Type-C ports for video. Just get Type-C to HDMI/DP cable... ;)

For example...

C to DP - https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Aluminum-USB-C-DisplayPort-Cable/dp/B081VKXFSC
C to HDMI - https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-QGeeM-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Pixelbook/dp/B07JW7GT7H
We are always talking about a 10-layer, dual-slot motherboard, built completely premium compared to the others, if you think about it with 250 dollars you can buy a commercial one, for 200 dollars more you take home something special in my opinion, it's the whole that makes the difference.

Thanks for the tip, maybe the same solution can also be used on my old unify, even if I don't need to know anymore
 
Careful with testing with only Cyberpunk, every major patch we literally got fewer FPS as they optimized the game and added features, and we had the 2.2 update a couple of weeks ago.
 
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