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I agree with you on the AMD noisey part.It depends on how you see it. Nvidia is faster in everything RT-related, and DLSS helps a lot in some titles. Nvidia cards also use significantly less power, heat up less, and aren't so noisy. I'm not on either side, and I tested cards from both sides, but I wouldn't get AMD for a daily gaming PC right now. Hopefully, they will improve a lot in the next generation, as the 7000 series feels like a 6000 refresh.
As you may have noticed, AMD adjusts its prices to Nvidia offerings and often waits for Nvidia's moves, not the other way around. Nvidia has fewer price cuts, while AMD only compares its cards in performance to price against some Nvidia models. They still can't beat top Nvidia cards.
I understand that, but we are in a "work smarter, not harder" world now. If an affordable GPU could do everything I want without needing that, great. Maybe a 4090 is adequate. Upscaling, especially if you play at higher resolutions like 4k, is practically indistinguishable to my eyes compared to native. I can see it if I take screenshots and look at each pixel, but you just don't see it in game. I'm also not sold on FG, yet. I think the idea has promise but the current implementations are not there yet for general use as routine.TBH I've not really in to frame generation or upscaling but I also realise that at the budget end there may come a need and with hires VR sets it may be necessity. I'm from the old school Lamborghini thinking - the only reason you need a turbo is because your engine isn't making the power you need
I guess our differences applies to cars too. The GT-R R34 was my dream car around the time I was learning to drive. Not the likes of Lambos or Ferraris. I'm not so much a fan of the modern GT-R though. Although it is a technical marvel, it lacks something in character the older ones had.For me upscaling and frame generation are for consoles. If you're buying a Ferrari and the V8 isn't producing enough I would expect V12 or a W16 not a turbo or a super-charger, that's fine in a Nissan GTR...
I'm more a rally fan, watched Group B Martini Racing Lancia Delta S4 in '86 at Sutton Park, remains etched in my memory...Rothmans Porsche 959 would be the pinnacle unfortunately FIA closed it down before it made it's debut but it won the Paris to Dakar...I guess our differences applies to cars too. The GT-R R34 was my dream car around the time I was learning to drive. Not the likes of Lambos or Ferraris. I'm not so much a fan of the modern GT-R though. Although it is a technical marvel, it lacks something in character the older ones had.
In my opinion, AMD cost less because you get less, outside of specific tests. If that is all a user focuses on, great.
If you go back to the start of video gaming, then most don't support RT. More realistically, most new games do support it in some form, and have done for several years. At least for AAA ones, it is less realistic for indie to go there although some do. RT isn't all or nothing. There's different levels, from shadows, reflections and more complicated lighting. It is up to dev how to deploy that. Perf vs quality always has been a tradeoff in the PC space. RT is now one of those options. In my case I might be helped in that I don't play games that need triple figure fps. As long as I'm consistently getting over 60 that's fine by me.I get poopooed for my thoughts on RT but I just dont see the value yet, most games dont support it, those that do only a handful see an improvement in fidelity, and even when they do see that improvement it often can only be run on the highest end nvidia cards, so even a 4070 ti might not cut it depending on game and resolution.
Which most of the time for gaming doesn't matter. People can construct edge case scenarios where competitive NV offerings run out and suffer, but with realistic settings it is fine. If you're doing some compute, maybe it is more value (like 4090).AMD gives you more vram per $$ and that is a fact.
For most PC gamers this is mostly irrelevant so far. Maybe it'll pick up more if SteamOS gets significantly expanded. I think I saw somewhere the generic download doesn't support NV yet.AMD has better driver support across operating systems.
The great thing is we have choice. And Intel is another choice, sometimes, maybe?For me personally that is almost always no. For mackerel, and probably woomack that answer is probably yes.
Just wondering but could you list the games you have installed that support ray tracing without continuity mods, shaders, or enb's?Aren't you the guy who believes it's not RT unless it's realtime RT anyway? It's no wonder you don't believe in it (your expectations were like it was "movie cgi effects")... especially trying to run it on AMD (and 6000 series at that) and expecting good fps.
Like was discussed in 2022 (it was you, yes), it's not a WowO thing... maybe it shouldn't be here yet until the hardware catches up and make it WowO-looking. But you have to start somewhere...like mack said, there are varying levels of it. HDR has little (nothing?) to do with it...that's been around on gpus since 900 series and 300 series. For NV we're literally 3 gpu gens from inception.
....VR is also a different subject (also referenced in 2022).
Edit: I also don't understand the point of mentioning rasterization performance...maybe it's just me, lol. When I look at a review, performance it what it is. RT is just an option (in 600 games and apps, according to google) and an extra dataset for those who use it... like DLSS/FSR results that go hand in hand.
While that wasn't directed at me, I will indirectly answer. The big name modern-ish games I own that support RT are:Just wondering but could you list the games you have installed that support ray tracing without continuity mods, shaders, or enb's?
Feels like you're missing the point (or me yours), but these are the RT titles on my PC...Just wondering but could you list the games you have installed that support ray tracing without continuity mods, shaders, or enb's?
Feels like you're missing the point (or me yours), but these are the RT titles on my PC...
Fortnite
COD
F1 series (from 22 iirc)
MS Flight Sim 2024
BF2042 (I rarely play this but it is installed)
PUBG does not.
That's all I play. Granted I play pubg 75% of the time, but my point, that I've made in previous discussions, is that it's out there and adding to the 600 titles/apps constantly. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it feels like most gamers have a game or few they play that can utilize the technology....for what little it may be worth, lol. But its there and constantly adding more.
EDIT: I believe all of the games I use for reviews do too (Avatar, CP2077, F1, Metro, Far Cry, Assassin's Creed - same as Woomack)
Not sure what this has to do with the thread we're in... but...Ok, another question and these are not traps just want to see how we value things.
Ultra 7 265K (~$390)
Ryzen 7 9700X (~$350)
Ryzen 7 9800X3D (~$480)
Ryzen 9 9900X (~$385)
Which would you pick and why?