Ati Radeon 8500 (128) Vs. G4 4400?

[futura2001]

Does anyone know how the Radeon 128 meg board compares to a Geforce 4 4400? I am looking to upgrade my graphics card and am wondering how the cards stack up to each other...
Futura

 

[CSaddict]

I'd love to have the answer your looking for but all I can offer is this. I just got the Radeon 128 DDR at compusa for 200 bucks cause they screwed up. I replaced a GF2 gts pro 64 DDR and I am very happy with the Radeon. The only thing I dont like is the ati drivers. They suck and suck to install........food for thought.....In the end I am very pleased with the card and would recommend it.

 

[funnyperson1]

the 4400 is faster but it is twice the price, and only 15-20% faster......

 

[futura2001]

I have found the 128 meg 8500 for 246 and the 4400 for 275...

 

[AKDUDE]

What exactly was hard about the driver install?
Ive always downloaded them myself, and just ran the EXE setup file and the install program did the rest of the work. It does create a driver folder when it unpacks, so in case somedoes go wrong you can at least point the device install to the folder.

What speed is your card clocked at, core/mem? Also, did it have the tiny BGA ram chips, and if it did, what speed were they rated at?
Thanks
AKDUDE

I'd love to have the answer your looking for but all I can offer is this. I just got the Radeon 128 DDR at compusa for 200 bucks cause they screwed up. I replaced a GF2 gts pro 64 DDR and I am very happy with the Radeon. The only thing I dont like is the ati drivers. They suck and suck to install........food for thought.....In the end I am very pleased with the card and would recommend it.

 

[funnyperson1]

in that case the 4400 is probably better for you.....

 

[Yodums]

There would be no noticeable difference, and I'd take ATI for the quality of the images ATI is known for.

 

[manny calavera]

i had a 8500[retail] for 3 weeks and had many probs with it.the 2d iq was GOOD,but the iq on my vt ti44oo's IS just as good and noticably faster with aa on.NO driver probs and overall it just FEELS snappier.ati is nice but you get what you pay for imho.plus my ti4400's oc higher.

 

[CSaddict]

After istalling the card I went ATI website and got the latest drivers. I unpacked it and installed it. It rewrote a bunch of files and I had to choose to save the files or delete them.......for like 40 files! I had to click yes on all of them, Why would it ask? My nvidia drivers never did that stuff.

 

[Big Nuttz]

After istalling the card I went ATI website and got the latest drivers. I unpacked it and installed it. It rewrote a bunch of files and I had to choose to save the files or delete them.......for like 40 files! I had to click yes on all of them, Why would it ask? My nvidia drivers never did that stuff.

All you do in that case is select the yes to all option.

 

[CSaddict]

LOL, yeah but it screwed everything up and yes it has the small mem chips its at stock settings 275/275. It runs 8100+ on 3dmark2001se. I got 8340 out of it when I had it o/ced on the card and the bus at 140. Then things went terribly wrong! so its back to stock formation.

 

[elysium]

The 4400 and 4600 cards will give you a bit better 3d performance, and a bit faster refresh picture on the monitor. But no one can beat radeon on 2d exexpt maxtor, and they are no option in 3d ghraphics. I'd say go for the ati. Allthought it might be sligthly slower on 3d, you will ease your eyes more when you use it in 2d ghraphics, which most people often do. No one only uses their computer for games, at least that is rarely.

I had no problems with my drivers.

Ely

 

[futura2001]

I do a lot of 3D animation along with a bit of game playing. It sounds like the 4400 is going to e a slightly better deal for me. Does anyone know if there is going to be a mod for 4400 to Quaddro?
Futura

 

[TheWIZ:Part2]

Like the Geforce3 Ti200 the Radeon 8500 with 128 megs is a complete waste. Its bus isnt set up to take advantage of the extra memory, its done basically as a marketing counter to Nvidia's new product. As for 2d quality, the new Nvidia and Ati products are basically equal. Ati doesnt have the 2d quality edge it may have had over the past 3 generations of GF cards.

 

[Akumu X]

But no one can beat radeon on 2d exexpt maxtor,

You mean Matrox? Isn't my HDD a Maxtor?

 

[GoldenTiger]

Here are the facts, straight-shot and completely unbiased:

1) A Ti4400 is clocked at 275/550. A Ti500 is clocked at 240/500.

2) At the same clock speeds, a Ti44/4600 is 20% faster in benchmarks and game demo-benchmarks than a Ti500.

3) A Radeon 8500 is roughly as fast as a Ti500.

4) A Radeon 8500 is not designed to take advantage of 128mb of RAM. It benefits little from it according to benchmarks and reviews that I have seen (2-4% maximum).

5) A Ti4400 runs at 275/550, and is 20% faster even at the same clocks as a Ti500. The Ti4400 is about 35-45% faster than a Ti500 according to benchmarks.

6) The GeForce 4 core is very efficient at antialiasing and true anisotropy, unlike the Radeon's rip-mapping which doesn't apply anisotropy to anything at a 90 degree angle to the floor or a 90 degree angle from your viewpoint.

7) A GF4 Ti4400 is about 70-80% faster than a Ti500 in AA/anisotropy. A comparison to an 8500 is an apples-oranges comparison as the ATI card doesn't apply true anisotropy to a scene. In addition, the 8500 offers odd AA modes, one being a "performance" mode that does almost nothing at each setting, and one being a "quality" mode which is very slow at each setting of AA compared to a Ti500 and is slightly (negligibly) worse than a Ti500's antialiasing quality under magnification in screenshots from identical positions (such as a level startpoint, etc.)

8) Seeing as how the Ti4400 isn't much more expensive than a Radeon, judging by these facts, it is a better value and will last you longer. The extra horsepower, as well as AA and anisotropic performance, will provide a longer-lasting value and be able to cope with games such as Unreal Tournament 2 coming out in June and other games of demanding levels such as that coming out in 2-6 months from now. Benchmarks of the cards on the Unreal Performance Test, utilizing the Unreal 2 game engine, show that the Radeon isn't capable of providing an acceptable (by even the lowest definition, 30fps or higher) frame rate in the games coming this and next quarter utilizing DX8/8.1.

 

[GoldenTiger]

There would be no noticeable difference, and I'd take ATI for the quality of the images ATI is known for.

This is complete misinformation. The *ONLY* image quality difference is on a high-quality monitor at 1600x1200x32 on the desktop where, comparing to a Ti500 side-by-side on the same monitor, the Ti500's text is slightly blurred under magnification (VERY slightly). I was not able to discern a difference without the magnification.

 

[CSaddict]

I think this thread is turning into BLAH BLAH BLAH.

 

[Cisco Kid]

I think this thread is turning into BLAH BLAH BLAH.

EXACTLY , when I hear a 8500 will not run UNreal 2 I laugh it will do a lot better than 30 fps, I expect my 7500 will play UT2 completely acceptable.

Cisco KId

 

[funnyperson1]

Here are the facts, straight-shot and completely unbiased:
8) Seeing as how the Ti4400 isn't much more expensive than a Radeon, judging by these facts, it is a better value and will last you longer. The extra horsepower, as well as AA and anisotropic performance, will provide a longer-lasting value and be able to cope with games such as Unreal Tournament 2 coming out in June and other games of demanding levels such as that coming out in 2-6 months from now. Benchmarks of the cards on the Unreal Performance Test, utilizing the Unreal 2 game engine, show that the Radeon isn't capable of providing an acceptable (by even the lowest definition, 30fps or higher) frame rate in the games coming this and next quarter utilizing DX8/8.1.

umm hello...the Unreal Performance test is just a Benchmark...the game itself will be much less stressing on the system otherwise IT WONT SELL.....if you use that logic i could say that 3dmark uses the Max FX engine and since i get 30fps in 3dmarks i wont be able to play Max Payne....that is plain wrong....