ATI -vs- Nvidia -vs- Matrox

[Krome]

I am fond of ATI [I had a Radeon 32MB SDR], but the Matrox G450[32MB DDR] is looking sweet.. as for my empty pockets, I'm looking @ the Nvidia "Verto" [64 MB SDR]... Somebody help me!!!

*YES, I have to use PCI... BARF!!!

 

[TranceBear]

I am fond of ATI [I had a Radeon 32MB SDR], but the Matrox G450[32MB DDR] is looking sweet.. as for my empty pockets, I'm looking @ the Nvidia "Verto" [64 MB SDR]... Somebody help me!!!

*YES, I have to use PCI... BARF!!!

I would just save your money and wait to upgrade when you can move to AGP, none of those cards are going to give you a significant improvement over what you have.

 

[Kato]

yea man, PCI is 33Mhz, AGP is 66Mhz.
you do the math....
is your AGP taken by a graphic card now?

 

[Krome]

is your AGP taken by a graphic card now?

I have a slot P// 400MMX, w/onboard graphics by Rage Pro [2x AGP]. I need to come up, and play MOH: Allied Assault, but pretty much refuse to but a PNY MX 400.

 

[funnyperson1]

youre not going to be able to play MOH on a PII anywayz even if you get a PCI geforce3.....my suggestion is you get an ECS K7S5A and a Duron 1GHZ for 100$ and a Radeon LE for 50$, and for 150$ youll have one kicking system...

 

[slim_lim]

Grab a Kyro II. They don't depend on memory bandwidth much and so you won't be hurt too bad by using the PCI slot. They're cheap too.
Or just toss that junker. You won't be getting alot of performance out of it even with the video upgrade. Enough to play last year's stuff, but not what's coming out now.
My advice is to avoid super-cheap upgrades like Duron 1ghz. If you can't afford to buy right now, save up for a bit and get a system with something like a PIV 1.6A Northwood (good overclocker) or an Athlon 1800+ or better. They're not that expensive actually.

 

[funnyperson1]

Grab a Kyro II. They don't depend on memory bandwidth much and so you won't be hurt too bad by using the PCI slot. They're cheap too.
Or just toss that junker. You won't be getting alot of performance out of it even with the video upgrade. Enough to play last year's stuff, but not what's coming out now.
My advice is to avoid super-cheap upgrades like Duron 1ghz. If you can't afford to buy right now, save up for a bit and get a system with something like a PIV 1.6A Northwood (good overclocker) or an Athlon 1800+ or better. They're not that expensive actually.

actually the KyroII lacks hardware T&L so it would perform HORRIBLY with a Penntium two....i wouldnt get a KyroII unless i had a Tualatin PIII/Celeron, an Athlon Socket A, duron Socket A, or a P4......

 

[xl]

Ya, my Kyro 2 is fine until there is a smoke grenade in counterstrike.

 

[Krome]

I'm actually looking @ getting a P/// 1.0/1.1Ghz [slot 1/100FSB] to slide right into my mobo that was replaced about 6 months ago.

 

[funnyperson1]

but then you still wouldnt have an agp slot and for 130$ you can get an Athlon and an ECS mobo which is the same pice youll pay for the PIII

 

[Krome]

but then you still wouldnt have an agp slot and for 130$ you can get an Athlon and an ECS mobo which is the same pice youll pay for the PIII

There's the RUB! I have never dealt with AMD, and don't think I ever will... INTEL INSIDE FOR ME!

 

[funnyperson1]

alright then, at least get a Celly with a Slocket because the PIII prices are through the roof....actually the best upgrade for you if you like Intel would be a Celly1.2 witha a Powerleap Slocket and a 30-40$ bx board from the Classifieds.....the difference would be night and day since the Celly Tualatins have 256 cache making them just as fast as the PIIIs.....

 

[funnyperson1]

also you really need a new mobo, that is more important than a new cpu....PCI is getting outdated...i doubt if there are even G4 PCI cards and i knowhtere arent any 8500 ones....the bottleneck in video performance is the PCI bus not the video card....

 

[slim_lim]

Yeah. An old Slot1 mobo w/ no AGP slot - forget about doing any meaningful upgrade with it. You need a new system, dude.

 

[cmcquistion]

I agree man. Upgrading an old system like yours is a waste of time. I've built a dozen PCs with the ECS K7S5A motherboard and I have been very happy with them. Even a Duron 650 on a K7S5A kicks ***. This motherboard is faster than ANY P3 or P4 board I've used. Not necessarily in benchmarks, but in real world experience, AMD has a good, fast chip and fast motherboards.

My two cents.

 

[Tracert]

Keep all options open.

It's too bad you feel that way about AMD. They offer the best bang for the buck combo available.

I bought my K7S5A for 57.00 (now it is 52) and I picked up the 1800+ for $75.00, used, (granted you wont always find this but then again, I did). So for $132.00 I have a Mobo/CPU combo that will crush any PIII chip that you would have to pay the same price for the chip by itself.

expand your mind a little, you will be a happier person in general. Any time you close a door your only hurting yourself. I always make the best decision based on facts and not feelings, most people do.

However that being said. I like the way Intel handles it heat and if they had the same performance for the price that AMD has. I would be looking hard at switching back. Esp now since Rambus Ram is getting much cheaper, I will have to keep an eye on how things go for the big I.

Until then, my AMD setup will be killing your intel for about half the cost.

Now if I could just find a G4 or 8500 for about $75.00 maybe I could get 2001 BM up to where it should be. This VE is so slow. At least it overclocks but sheesh... 20% better then 1580 is still only 1975, although that was a good year.

 

[funnyperson1]

Re: Keep all options open.

It's too bad you feel that way about AMD. They offer the best bang for the buck combo available.

I bought my K7S5A for 57.00 (now it is 52) and I picked up the 1800+ for $75.00, used, (granted you wont always find this but then again, I did). So for $132.00 I have a Mobo/CPU combo that will crush any PIII chip that you would have to pay the same price for the chip by itself.

expand your mind a little, you will be a happier person in general. Any time you close a door your only hurting yourself. I always make the best decision based on facts and not feelings, most people do.

However that being said. I like the way Intel handles it heat and if they had the same performance for the price that AMD has. I would be looking hard at switching back. Esp now since Rambus Ram is getting much cheaper, I will have to keep an eye on how things go for the big I.

Until then, my AMD setup will be killing your intel for about half the cost.

Now if I could just find a G4 or 8500 for about $75.00 maybe I could get 2001 BM up to where it should be. This VE is so slow. At least it overclocks but sheesh... 20% better then 1580 is still only 1975, although that was a good year.

dont forget the Tualatin Celeron...i would put the system in my rig against any 1.4/1600+ with SDR ram....the price/performanc/overclockability is freaking amazing with these chips while performance per clock is on par with the Tbirds and only a little slower than the XPs......also they are .13 micron so a VolcanoII with a 30cfm fan cna get you a 40-50% oc......but yeah the ECS mobo jsut makes buying AMD so much better, but if you must have intel please look into the Tualatins...

 

[Krome]

I'm not anti-AMD, just I wouldn't get one for myself... I'm building one for my good friend next month, but SHE will not put it to the test. Someones signature here says "heat is the enemy", I know that the Intel chips are better in that department, and have only owned Intel... so I WILL DEAL WITH THEM AGAIN.

 

[WyrmMaster]

Yes, but given your current situation, not alot of money and seeking performance, AMD is the way to go. The heat is manageable with a good heatsink, which you will need anyway.

 

[CrackedSKull]

You can get a 1ghz duron for like $40 bucks, get that mobo above and you'll know why so many people love amd

I to use to be an intel boy until best buy had that great deal on that 1ghz athlon about 18months ago, and never really felt like an intel chip was worth the price since.