Battlemage dGPUs announced

[mackerel]

You can look up the charts and more info from usual places like linked below. The tldr would be:

B580 12GB, 190W, $249. 13 Dec. Claimed +24% over A750 (1440p Ultra) puts it between 4060 8GB ($285 PCPP) and 4060 Ti 8GB ($370 PCPP). Edit: if I looked further, they also claim +10% over 4060.
B570 10GB, 150W, $219 16 Jan. This has -16% compute and -18% bandwidth vs B580, so expect perf to be around there. That'll be little faster than A750, about same as A770.

XeSS gets framegen and low latency, so they'll be at feature parity with Nvidia while AMD FSR continues to catch up.

Intel Arc B580 Battlemage Unboxing & Preview

The next generation of Intel GPUs is here with the Arc Battlemage-based B580. Priced at $249, the new card promises strong midrange capabilities, making it ideal for 1440p gaming. We go hands on with the Arc B580 in our preview and also have some performance numbers for you.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Kenrou]

 

[mackerel]

Thanks. Sure some will like videos but I prefer text for speed and clarity. Having looked at pricing (and edited my previous post with minor updates) then I think they look attractive at that price if the claimed performance is confirmed, at least against NV. I haven't got as far as AMD yet.

 

[EarthDog]

Good for putting an image on the screen and 1080p/60/ultra gaming. There's a market for this at $250 for sure as it undercuts the 4060 ($299). It also beats the 7600 ($270...about as much as it beats the 4060), not sure about the 7600XT ($329), but the price is lower. 7600/XT runs at 165/190W while the 4060/ti run at 115/160W.

 

[mackerel]

Good for putting an image on the screen and 1080p/60/ultra gaming.

I feel they're positioning it as a 1440p Ultra card given that is referenced multiple times in the slide deck, but not all titles will hit 60 at native. From their chart I count 47 titles tested, of which 10 are below 60. Three of those are 59 so you could argue it depending on which way the wind is blowing. Presuming this is without upscaling which could make the difference, if not dropping to high maybe.

 

[EarthDog]

I want ALL titles to reach 60 FPS or it's not a 60 FPS card...


...I KID, I KID. Their internal testing does show that to be a 1440p/60/U card. I'll be interested in seeing how it performs with upscaling and how that looks. RT at this level is a FPS killer without significant upscaling so that will be interesting (as would knowing the settings they used in those titles). I can't wait to see independent results!

 

[mackerel]

Since we're here, this is one of the slides on overclocking. Looks like you get hands on with:
Frequency offset
Power limit
Voltage limit
Temperature limit
Manual curve adjustment in advanced settings.

From the chart above it looks like clock offset gets you so far, presumably because you'll hit power limit more often. 2800 to 2950-ish for a +200 offset. Increasing power limit 20% gets you to 3050-ish. Further increasing the voltage limit to 3150. All considered, 12.5% uplift from stock.

One minor point of concern here: this is a nominally 190W part. TPU shows the LE has a single 8 pin power connector, for a nominal 225W total max. 190W + 20% is 228W. I think if anyone really wanted to OC one of these, maybe look for AIB cards with more power connectors.

 

[EarthDog]

Frequency offset
Power limit
Voltage limit
Temperature limit
Manual curve adjustment in advanced settings.

From the chart above it looks like clock offset gets you so far, presumably because you'll hit power limit more often. 2800 to 2950-ish for a +200 offset. Increasing power limit 20% gets you to 3050-ish. Further increasing the voltage limit to 3150. All considered, 12.5% uplift from stock.

Sounds like everything else, which is good.

One minor point of concern here: this is a nominally 190W part. TPU shows the LE has a single 8 pin power connector, for a nominal 225W total max. 190W + 20% is 228W. I think if anyone really wanted to OC one of these, maybe look for AIB cards with more power connectors.

Live a little...lol. That particular power limit won't let it be a problem. If there are others with a higher limit, I'd expect to see it (additional power connector) though.

 

[Woomack]

It seems right if anyone is searching for a 1080p card, but I doubt it handles 1440p at ultra settings like they claim. Especially when I see how RTX4080 handles some of these games at 1440p ultra settings. Like what means ultra in Cyberpunk 2077? ... max details and RT. Average FPS is one thing, but it really counts how often it goes below 30. When a title has 50-60FPS average then it's hard to call it good for the used settings.
RTX4060 is generally pretty bad, so beating it is nothing really special. It can still be good for budget gamers who stick with 1080p but want to bump some graphics details ... assuming that Intel didn't fail drivers and won't be fixing them for the next two years like with the last generation.

 

[infinitevalence]

hum, used 4060's are about $200 used, tempting.

 

[Woomack]

It's tempting until you see how badly the 8GB version works in some games, and the 16GB version seems overpriced. It's the same with RX7600. Somehow, there are no problems like that with the RTX3000 8GB cards.

 

[infinitevalence]

It's tempting until you see how badly the 8GB version works in some games, and the 16GB version seems overpriced. It's the same with RX7600. Somehow, there are no problems like that with the RTX3000 8GB cards.

weirdly in this case im not interested in gaming performance. 4060 (non ti or super) cuda performance is enough for the specific server workflows im looking at. I am still interested in Intel's dGPU offerings but not being able to fold on them is a bit of a bummer.

For gaming AMD just wins all my cost/perf math until we get benchmarks from Battlemage.

 

[mackerel]

Live a little...lol. That particular power limit won't let it be a problem. If there are others with a higher limit, I'd expect to see it (additional power connector) though.

Was it the RX 480 or 580 that released taking excess power from the slot? Raptor Lake is still fresh in mind... basically I'm saying, even for OC a little margin might not be a bad thing to have. Especially the slot power is split across several different voltage rails.

It seems right if anyone is searching for a 1080p card, but I doubt it handles 1440p at ultra settings like they claim.

I think it overly harsh to class it as a 1080p card because it doesn't do 1440p/ultra/60 native in every game ever. To me it is very clearly a 1440p card, but doesn't have to be tied to Ultra. For more demanding titles, there may be a choice for the user to decide how to balance frame rate, upscaling, or even backing off to high which usually is barely different unless you specifically look for it. Personally I'd try those options at 1440p before I even consider dropping to 1080p output.

Bit of a philosophical question in a way, would you consider 1080p upscaled to 1440p output to be 1080p or 1440p? I'd consider it 1440p since some elements and processing will be done at 1440p and the end experience is more like 1440p native than 1080p native.

hum, used 4060's are about $200 used, tempting.

I read that as "used 4060 are used"

 

[dumpa]

Intel GPUs are getting a lot of attention. It just shows how consumers are desperate to see some meaningful competition in the GPU market. I don't understand brand loyalty. If you think any company is there to make you happy and they would never screw you over (were they in position to do so), you are delusional.

 

[Woomack]

I'm curious if anyone on OCF thinks of buying B580. They're in stores, but options are pretty limited, like ASRock, Sparkle, or some other weird brands like Gunnir (?!).
I thought prices would be lower while most stores bumped them by at least ~20% (in the EU).

 

[mackerel]

I got an A380 to play with when 1st gen launched. I got a runner up prize in an Intel competition so used that to get it effectively heavily discounted, as that was the limit of my interest level. In current times I really should not buy things I don't have a specific use for, other than "it is interesting". Still, I'll be checking the reviews soon.

What might have a small chance of getting my interest is if they perform in compute much better than red or green at a given price point.

BTW in other competitions that Intel ran 1st time around, I also got Xe water bottle, T-shirt and hoodie. I still wear that hoodie as my main top for outdoors in moderate temperatures. I didn't see such marketing this time, but I guess they also have bigger financial things to worry about short term.

 

[Woomack]

If they drop prices and the reference version will be at about MSRP, then maybe I will get one. I'm curious about some things, and Intel always improves performance with drivers, so in a few months, we can count on some more than in early reviews. I would ask for a review sample, but I'd rather review something else as I have limited time. Right now, I'm finishing month-delayed articles (for various reasons).

Edit:
TPU review was just published - https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-arc-b580/

It looks like, with some driver improvements in the upcoming months, it will reach the RTX4060Ti performance. We will see. So far, it's not bad, but Intel slides suggested something better.

The official price is ~$250, but I see them listed for ~$370 (inc. 23% VAT) in my local stores.

 

[Dolk]

In two generations, Intel has closed the gap in RT performance with Nvidia. That is impressive.

 

[mackerel]

It looks like, with some driver improvements in the upcoming months, it will reach the RTX4060Ti performance. We will see. So far, it's not bad, but Intel slides suggested something better.

The official price is ~$250, but I see them listed for ~$370 (inc. 23% VAT) in my local stores.

I wouldn't count on major improvements but they would still be welcome. If we take off tax so it is more comparable to US, that's then 300 vs 250. Still higher, but not as bad.

Looked at two major sellers in UK. I don't see it listed at all yet. Maybe it'll go live when actually on sale.

Think its performance is about where you'd expect it to be based on price. Relative to 7600 or 4060 it is similar or faster in most situations, and similar or cheaper if you can find it close to MSRP.

 

[Kenrou]