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LegolasElf

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Hello my friends,

I am looking for the best possible way to backup my system SSD

My current storage setup is as follows. I have 2 SSD drives. 1st drive is a Crucial M4 128GB which has Win 7 64-bit and games. My second SSD barely has anything on it. I need a way to backup my first SSD which has my OS and the bulk of my games installed so if my SSD ever crashes and I cannot boot or drive is corrupted, I can re-install windows and load my drive image so that I would not have to re-install all of my games and apps manually. Can you please suggest the best free software and way to do this. Thank you so much for any information.
 
I can re-install windows and load my drive image so that I would not have to re-install all of my games and apps manually.

Something about that does not sound exactly correct. If you install windows and then load a drive image to the same partition you installed windows to...the installation of windows will be wiped-out as it will be over-written by the image.
 
What I have is an OCZ 240 Gb SSD. It contains Windows 7 (64) and the programs I'm using. I also have a conventional hard drive (Hitachi 1Tb). I used a free partition manager (EasUs) to create two partitions on the conventional hard drive. The primary partition is just slightly larger than my SSD partition. The rest of that drive was used to make a secondary partition for data. Then I cloned my SSD partition to the Hitachi primary partition using a free backup program.

So it works like this. Good times - run Windows and programs from the SSD. Use the second partition of the Hitachi for data. Don't mess with the Primary Partition of the Hitachi.

Bad times - unplug the SSD. That means the computer will no longer see it. It will look for another drive. Mine uses the Primary Partition of the remaining drive to boot.

I just make weekly cloned copies of the SSD on the Hitachi Primary drive. (It takes a couple of hours - tops.)

I used the BIOS to set the boot order of my drives as follows:

1. DVD ROM
2. SSD
3. Hitachi

There are a number of decent free backup programs. I forget the names of them all. I tried a couple and found one that worked for me.

To test it, I just unplugged the SSD and booted the machine. It worked like a champ - just a little slower.

Hope that helps.

BachOn

Making backups means never having to say you're sorry.
 
Just use the built-in Backup and Restore utility in Win7 to create an image of the root drive, and save it to your secondary SSD. Then when you're ready to restore the image, boot to your Win7 DVD or System Repair Disc--> System Recovery Options and select "Restore your computer using a system image you created earlier".
 
Something about that does not sound exactly correct. If you install windows and then load a drive image to the same partition you installed windows to...the installation of windows will be wiped-out as it will be over-written by the image.

I bought Acronis TrueImage 2012 and made a backup with it of my primary SSD. However, based on what RGone just said, I am confused about what to do with that image in the event of a complete SSD failure where I cannot boot from my main SSD and need to re-install windows. Do I re-install windows and Acronis and then use it to restore the image back on the SSD?
 
I guess it depends on what you want to do. If the goal is to be able to quickly get your computer running, then the steps I outlined will work.

Redduc900's idea will also create a backup which can be restored in an extra step. The only advantage I can see, is that sometimes it's possible to compress the image using his method. On the negative side, it is a little more difficult to test his method in advance.

Either method would probably work. But in either case - you'll need a regular backup plan to keep your backedup image (or your cloned image) relatively current. Backup Software that automates this is a real plus.

Going for what works for you sounds like a quality plan.

BachOn
 
Will my method work? Basically what I've done is created an image of my main SSD using Acronis TrueImage 2012. They claim that is preserves SSD alignment. And I have the image saved to my 500GB storage HDD. In the event that my main SSD is corrupt and cannot boot for some reason, how can I apply my saved SSD image to the failed SSD? Do I need to create a boot disk with Acronis True Image that will let me choose the image to apply to the SSD?
 
Yep. It gets confusing. I'm no expert, but this is my current understanding of things. (Maybe some of the experienced experts can correct me and clarify this for us.)

A cloned image (I think I'm correct here) writes the SSD image to another drive so it is ready to boot up and go. (I actually have two bootable partitions in my computer. One is the SSD. The other is the Primary partition of a harddrive. Either will boot the machine.

Making a backup (mirror image) saves a copy of the SSD drive contents to another drive. But it is not ready to be run immediately. You must then use some backup software (like Acronis) to restore the copy onto another drive so it is bootable. My understanding is that sometimes a mirrored image can be compressed so it occupies less space when it is saved.

I don't think your computer will boot from a mirrored image - (but I'm not positive about this). So you need to be able to get the backup/restore program (like Acronis) to open. Then you can run it to restore the saved mirror image to a boot drive. The installation CD for Norton Ghost used to work to allow me to get to that point. I think you have to create a bootable CD/DVD with other programs. I don't use Acronis, so I can't respond to its particulars.

As for the SSD - I've only had my first one for a week. I have not had it fail - at least not yet. But failure rates do look high enough to be a matter of significant concern. The part I can't respond to is WHY an SSD fails? If the data simply gets corrupted, I'd guess restoring your mirrored image back to the SSD MIGHT fix the problem. I'd just clone the cloned copy I have on the harddrive back to the SSD. The same process MIGHT also work for restoring it with a mirrored image. But I'm not positive about that.

If the SSD failed because of bad firmware or some other reason - then the process could get more complicated. Luckily, I don't have any experience on this - yet!

My plan allows me to have a cloned image of the SSD on a Primary partition of an existing hard drive. If the SSD fails, I unplug it and boot without any extra steps to the cloned partition I've saved. Then I frig around and try to fix the problem to restore my SSD. I just try to remember to make frequent cloned copies of the SSD so any data lost is minimal.

Is that clear as mud?

BachOn
 
Very clear :)

I've always avoided OS backups because I couldn't find a convenient enough way to do them and I also liked the "freshness" of a new install, but lately they have become a pain.

I really like the method you employ, BachOn. When you are able, can you let me know what the name of the backup program you use is called?

Thanks and good luck, Legolas (sorry for jumping in ;) )
 
Not a problem ninjacore.

BachOn, once you unplug your SSD and boot off of the SSD copy partition on your HDD, what do you do to get that partition on your HDD back on the SSD without re-installing windows and re-installing programs all over again and what not?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assumed he just used the same method in reverse, backing up the (currently booted) image on the HDD to the SSD and making it a bootable backup (of a backup). <insert Inception reference here>

EDIT: With both drives plugged in, you would probably need to switch boot order to the HDD partition in order to boot to it and not the corrupt SSD image.
 
I use EaseUS Partition Master 9.1.1 Home Edition. It is free for non-commercial use. This allowed me to create a Primary Partition on my new 1Tb Hitachi drive. My SSD was 240 Gb. So I left a little extra space. I made the Primary Partition on the Hitachi 256 Gb. You must create a Primary partition first.

I used the same program to create a secondary partition on the same Hitachi drive (something like 735 Gb). This will be for data. I believe I am correct that only the Primary partition can be used for booting. (So the clone should only be copied to the Primary partition -see below. WARNING: COPYING THE SSD CLONE WILL DESTROY ANYTHING ALREADY STORED IN THAT PRIMARY PARTITION.) Each of these two partitions will have a drive letter, like E, F, or K, etc. You can format one partition without it having an effect on the other.

Then I used Drive Image XML Version 2.44 for cloning the SSD to the Hitachi Primary partition. Again, this is free for non-commercial use.

It has a function called Disk to Disk. That makes a cloned copy of a partition on another disk drive. You will recall I created a 256 Gb Primary partition. What the clone will do is resize that partition to whatever size your SSD is. It seems like mine came to something like 233 Gb. That means that there will be 23 Gb of unallocated space when I've finished. You can be more conservative on how much extra space you use when you originally setup the Primary Partition.

This cloning process should only affect the Primary partition. The process has no effect on data stored on secondary partitions UNLESS the clone is larger than the partition space established when the primary partition was created. That's why I created more than enough space.

Please let me say this for clarity. I have not extensively tested the cloned version on my computer. It did boot up. But I did not test it repeatedly to see if that was just a fluke and to determine if all the software works. Please report back with your results if you attempt it and experience problems. I don't want to be counting on a flawed procedure and have it bite my butt later on.

BTW, I've read somewhere that this cloning process will not work with external drives. You can send out the clone to an external drive - but it usually won't boot. Microsoft has always been afraid people would use this to pirate their software. So there are hidden complications in there to prevent this working.

I know this is running long, but let me mention one more thing. What got me started on this was wanting to make use of a backup 'server' I created using Windows 8 Drive Storage. I wanted to be able to backup the all the boot drives on our home computers across our network to this Windows 8 Drive Storage pool I created. I've learned this. You cannot just copy a cloned image. Remember the cloning process I described has to have the freedom to resize and adjust other parameters of the partition where it is going. So it would be destructive to hardware and software RAID configurations, like Drive Storage.

This is a case where making a mirror image would be useful. It can be stored on a spare drive, a backup server, in a cloud, etc. Drive Image XML will create the backup images for that too. Those images can be moved around with impunity. Then you could use them to do a regular Restore to any disk. And yes, this will allow you to RESTORE your system so it will boot and your software and settings are like they were when you made the backup.

I'm having trouble figuring out how to setup automatic scheduling of this clone process in Drive Image. I'd be interested to hear from others who can figure it out. (I'm not into reinventing the wheel.)

I don't want to come across as some kind of expert on this. I AM NOT!!!. I'm experimenting and learning as I go. I'd appreciate someone willing to collaborate and check my facts so we can share what we've learned.

Anyway, I hope this helps somebody.

BachOn

P.S. Yes. I plan to use the clone of my SSD stored on of my Hitachi to write back to the SSD if it fails. Only time will tell if it works.
 
Thanks for the update. When I have some time, I will back up my OS drive and let you know how it goes.
 
ninjacore,

You're very welcome. I'll be interested in seeing how it goes for you.

BachOn
 
LegolasElf,

I hope that somewhere in all this back and forth was information that addressed your questions.

BachOn
 
To answer the Acronis 2012 question, one of the things I like about Acronis is that you don't eve have to install the program to your system. If you boot from the CD you can do everything from there, make an image, restore an image, clone..... etc. In order to restore an image you simply boot from the CD, tell it what drive to restore, browse to the image previously created, and you're off.
 
Everything I've read indicates that Acronis 2012 is a great program. But it isn't free. And if you have more than one machine, the costs can add up. I'm glad it works well for you!

BachOn
 
If you use the boot cd to do everything, you only need one copy..... like I said you don't have to install it, thus you can take the boot cd to as many computers as you want and create your images over and over.
 
If you use the boot cd to do everything, you only need one copy..... like I said you don't have to install it, thus you can take the boot cd to as many computers as you want and create your images over and over.

Lvcoyote, do you make the boot CD using Acronis?
 
Lvcoyote

The method you mentioned will work. And by not installing it, you can use the Installation CD/DVD to do multiple machines with one paid copy (I believe Acronis is something like $44.99 at Amazon right now + shipping.)

I will only point out this means all backups must be done manually on each machine. I would much prefer to have it happen automatically during off hours. It's too easy for me to get busy and forget to make regular backups. I like the 'set it and forget it' method to keep all my backups relatively current. Making regular backups means never having to say "I'm sorry"; or having an excuse to use other choice language.

As I certainly meant to convey, I think folks should use whatever method works well for them. I'm not selling anything and I don't have a horse in the race.

BachOn
 
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