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Kramer

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In all OpenGL games and some Direct3D I get illegal operation errors all the time after 5 - 15 min of playing. The illegal operation errors range from nvidiagl.dll and kernel.exe errors and other weird ones as well. The only way i can get the games to function reliably without crash is if I play from a freshly booted windows. Its strange how it works then and crashes every other time.

My detail system specs are:
Athlon 1 Ghz
Asus K7M Motherboard (I/O 3.31v , AMD AGP 4.8 driver)
Soundblaster Live (Liveware 3.0 with latest Creative drivers for Live!)
GeForce 2 MX (Creative Annihilator DDR) 12.41 NVIDIA Detonator Drivers
128 MB 100 MHz RAM
Window ME11
DirectX 8a

Need Help!
i remember I didnt used to have this before installing GeForce Mx and SBLIVE on the same day. Could the illegal operation errors be connected to damaged RAM that I can possible have?

Note: Games that don't use 3D acceleration ru beutifully without crashing anytime.
 
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Kramer

Guest
No Change. The 3D acceleration works great from fresh boot but I get illegal operation crashes if i run some programs before turning on the game.
 

Tacoman667

Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2001
Location
Kingwood, TX
I am feeling like it's a heat problem or the CPU doesn't have enough voltage to it. Raise the CPU vcore up one notch in the BIOS and if that doesn't help, then touch the HSF on the CPU and on the video card. If they are cold touch the other side and see. They may have come dislodged or moved around. Even the slightest move may be disastorous.
 

eobard

Give me a break Senior
Joined
Jul 12, 2001
Kramer (Jul 29, 2001 07:49 p.m.):


My detail system specs are:
Athlon 1 Ghz
Asus A7M Motherboard (I/O 3.31v , AMD AGP 4.8 driver)
Soundblaster Live (Liveware 3.0 with latest Creative drivers for Live!)
GeForce 2 MX (Creative Annihilator DDR) 12.41 NVIDIA Detonator Drivers
128 MB 100 MHz RAM
Window ME11
DirectX 8a

Need Help!
i remember I didnt used to have this before installing GeForce Mx and SBLIVE on the same day. Could the illegal operation errors be connected to damaged RAM that I can possible have?

Note: Games that don't use 3D acceleration ru beutifully without crashing anytime.


If you've got another sound card then swap that in in the LIVE!'s place. SB LIVE!s and the 686b chipset (which I'm pretty sure the A7M has, I know my A7V-E does at least) really HATE each other. You might also try the newer - newest 4in1 drivers v's 4.29 - 4.32. If nothing else helps try'em all one at a time.
 
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Kramer

Guest
Man i tried upping my I/O voltage and I am still getting stupid NVOPENGL.dll illegal operation errors. OMG Someone help me.
 

Richard

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 15, 2001
My guess is you've got the sound card sharing an IRQ with the AGP card.

Oh, and you'll be better off getting rid of LiveWare! It is feces.

The first thing I would do is uninstall Liveware. Then install the vanilla live drivers from creative's website.

Then disable SB16 emulation in windows device manager.

Reboot. (This may solve your problem) If it doesn't proceed to the next step.

Physically remove the sound card from the system.

Reboot.

Try your games. If everything is peachy keen, then you know the problem is indeed with the sound card.

Shut down.

Reinsert the sound card into a non-shared PCI slot.

Reinstall vanilla drivers.

Reboot.

Try games again.

Kramer (Jul 30, 2001 12:49 p.m.):
In all OpenGL games and some Direct3D I get illegal operation errors all the time after 5 - 15 min of playing. The illegal operation errors range from nvidiagl.dll and kernel.exe errors and other weird ones as well. The only way i can get the games to function reliably without crash is if I play from a freshly booted windows. Its strange how it works then and crashes every other time.

My detail system specs are:
Athlon 1 Ghz
Asus K7M Motherboard (I/O 3.31v , AMD AGP 4.8 driver)
Soundblaster Live (Liveware 3.0 with latest Creative drivers for Live!)
GeForce 2 MX (Creative Annihilator DDR) 12.41 NVIDIA Detonator Drivers
128 MB 100 MHz RAM
Window ME11
DirectX 8a

Need Help!
i remember I didnt used to have this before installing GeForce Mx and SBLIVE on the same day. Could the illegal operation errors be connected to damaged RAM that I can possible have?

Note: Games that don't use 3D acceleration ru beutifully without crashing anytime.
 
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Kramer

Guest
K Richard i will try that but can you post the link to get vanilla drivers for sb live.
 

maha_x

Member
Joined
Jul 25, 2001
Location
Rovaniemi, Finland
Very strong signs to heat trouble with your graphics card. Some MX boards come with passive heat sink which is often not enough. 3D graphics stress the GPU more, thus crashing only in games. To see if its the SB, rip it out and make a test run. No need to fiddle with drivers.

Do the finger test as Tacoman described for the GPU and the CPU.
 
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Kramer

Guest
I am using Blue Orb heat sink/fan combo on it so i dont think heat is the issue there. (My case is filled with fans) As I said before the games run good from fresh boot but crash like crazy if I run some programs before I run them.
 

maha_x

Member
Joined
Jul 25, 2001
Location
Rovaniemi, Finland
So you can play as long as you want with fresh boot? But any app first and it crashes? If you have plenty fans etc. eating up your PSU you should check that all voltages are within tolerance, specially after a while when the PSU has heated up.

On software side you could try app at a time if you could find any specific app that causes the crashes.

And did you try to take out the sound card?
 

Tomas

Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2001
Kramer (Jul 30, 2001 02:33 p.m.):
Man i tried upping my I/O voltage and I am still getting stupid NVOPENGL.dll illegal operation errors. OMG Someone help me.

Since u get it after a while playing i bet either ur cpu is OVERHEATED or the geforce are. Check the temp if it are over 50c its the reason its crashing if not it might be the hsw on the card that aint properly attached.
 

Richard

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 15, 2001
Sorry I missed your post Kramer.

Here's the link.


Kramer (Jul 30, 2001 07:08 p.m.):
K Richard i will try that but can you post the link to get vanilla drivers for sb live.
 

Robbie

Member
Joined
May 9, 2001
Location
A hot spot in Ca
umm maybe were missing the obvious here. How many fans do you have? What type of PS do you have? When is the LAST time you RAN SCANDISK or DEFRAG? How full is y our hard drive?


Hope these help

scan on

Rob
 
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Kramer

Guest
K i think i solved the problem. The Sb Live was at fault. Its a piece of **** anyways. Anywho I uninstalled Liveware 3.0 like Rich said and then tested and everyhting was fine. Then instead installing bugged and piece of **** vanilla drivers that creative puts out (they are always a beta and never tested kinda like Unreal games) I reached for my Liveware drivers CD that came in a box. Within the CD i found a folder Win9x and used these drivers to install the soundcard. It works great now. One note the 9x drivers have an issue with ATX within WinMe. So sometimes I click shutdown and the system stays not turning off.

Everybody thanks for the help.