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Celeron Dissapoints me....

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Daniel F

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After having a celeron for many millenias, always agreeing that AMD is crap i recently saw a benchmark comparing all the processors; PIII Tbird Duron Celly. My mouth dropped in awe as I saw the Celly getting slaughtered by the Duron, in price and performance. Heck, the celly 800 is selling for 150 to 200 dollars, and an 850 Duron is selling for a measely 70 dollars for performance that blows the celly out of the water! Soo, i am abandoning my beloved celly, and starting from scratch with a DURON.

Now, this is where you guys come in. I need all your suggestions to what is the best mobo for the Duron.... for overclocking purposes (duh), what is the best type of Duron for overclocking, and what is the best HSF to get for it, that wont blow away my wallet. Please respond with any tips.

Daniel
 

OpenFriday

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Mobo-id go with Abit kt7a, asus a7v or Epox 8KTA3. Check them all out, its all about personal preferance. Im going for the Epox myself.

CPU-Duron 800. i quote hardocp "Cakewalk to 1 gig"Ive got a 650 due to lack of funds.

Cooling-cheap- FOP38, or 32-1 if you cant stand the noise or the cooler ive been recomending the Vantec FCE 62540D. Arctic silver of course. I'll be buying the vantec and AS when some money finds itsself over here.

btw- the vantec has the 46 decible monster aswell. If noise isnt an issue id go for the Vantec or the very popular FOP38, hope thats cheap enough, vantec is 20$ FOP is not much more if any and AS is about 10$.

-OpenFriday
 

yog

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I just put together a Duron 900. I am right now at 908 with just my multiplier set up to 9.0. I have a Asus A7V (which I would recommend, but get the 133). I have a 750 but you can't go wrong with a faster CPU. For cooling I bought a Globalwin 32-i and am now going to change it out for a peltier. I might be able to get more out of the chip when it is cooler. If you want a 32-i I'll have one in a couple of weeks. Save and go for something better, remember air circulation is very important.

yog
 

diehrd

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Get the t-bird for true teeth shattering performance!!!

Amd 1.2 at 1.43{shatters the p-4 1.5 in the cpu benchemark tests}
512 megs ram
Matrox g400 32 meg dual head
western 30 gig 7200 ultra dma 100
12x4x32 burner
And a bat shiit crazy operator.
 

seabhac

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diehrd (Mar 13, 2001 08:58 p.m.):
Get the t-bird for true teeth shattering performance!!!

Amd 1.2 at 1.43{shatters the p-4 1.5 in the cpu benchemark tests}
512 megs ram
Matrox g400 32 meg dual head
western 30 gig 7200 ultra dma 100
12x4x32 burner
And a bat shiit crazy operator.

I agree with Diehard. For a relatively small increase in price you could buy a Tbird and really cook. State of the art.. Not that it will last but why buy older technology for a new machine when you can crank up the volume on a G+ Tbird? Go for it..
 

OpenFriday

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Heck diehrd the 1.2 not even overclocked still thrashes the P4 in most areas. No kidding either, they did i test in MaximumPc 1.2 vs. 1.5 P4 i thought with a 300mhz advantage the P4 would be the clear winner but nope, only in some graphics test, the unoverclocked 1.2 beat the P4 in a lot of tests. I can only imagine that at 1.43 it would win in all tests.
 
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Daniel F

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Hey, does a Tbird use the same socket/chipset (whatever) as the Duron?

Daniel
 

SickBoy

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Yep, tbird and duron use the same socket. right now I'd say go with the tbird only if you're going to get a 1 GHz+ cpu, otherwise a Duron 800 or 850 will get ya to a gig pretty cheaply.


SickBoy
 
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Daniel F

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Any more suggestions guys? i mean for a processor? 850 800 750 or 700?

Daniel
 

Josh

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Daniel F (Mar 15, 2001 03:59 a.m.):
Any more suggestions guys? i mean for a processor? 850 800 750 or 700?

Daniel

i have a duron 800 running at 975 (6.5 * 150) stable. the price is right if your short of funds (like myself) or you want to wait for the new palaminos and need a cpu to "rent".

as for motherboards if you have to build now i wouldn't get the asus a7v133 until a definite answer is given if they can run the palaminos or not. there is an article on the main page of overclockers.com that goes into more detail on this. the iwill kk266 is a good board and the abit kt7a from what i hear seems to be very good as well. haven't even read a review for the epox, but i heard(can't remember the source) that they don't "support" the high speed tbirds, but they do run fine.

Josh
 

Deviant

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Get the cheapest, nastiest Duron loke a 700 or 750. My 600 clocks up to 1052 with water cooling, 950 with a super orb. All Durons are made the same, AMD just change the golden fingers to change the default speed, so they all can clock up to roughly the same speed. Note however, that newer Durons should be able to clock higher than ones made 6 months to a year ago.
 

Nagorak

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Get a cheap Tbird like a 750 MHz instead of a Duron at 800 or 850. They cost the same amount, but the Tbird will run faster in games due to its larger cache than the Duron ever will. Your overclocking mileage will be about the same... A lot of people have had good luck with Durons, but I've gone through about 8-9 (not exagerrating) and not one could hit 1 Gig stable. 900 MHz seems to be a good bet, and 950 seems pretty safe. Maybe I've just had horrible luck, but Tbirds seem to overclock better.
 
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Daniel F

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I just ordered a EPOX 8KTA 3 mobo, but you guys reccomend the abit board. Is this board just as good? Responds plz.

Daniel
 

topjimi

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Dude, that board rocks, you made the right choice, i've got an 8kta2 with a 700 tbird at 1 gig for two months and no lockups. i've got a fop 38 and its very loud, you could go with the fop32 and see only a few degrees dif.