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PhobMX said:
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Core 2 Duo Price Cuts?
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no beating intended.
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The E4XXX is already showing signs of having a core FSB limitation.
E6320 will have the same multi as the E6300, still a limitation with very high end air or good water.
All benchmarks suffer from the cache loss.. and superpi takes up to a 20% hit, the extra FSB doesn't even help the 2M chips catch up.. The E6420 looks like it would have been great.. six months earlier Bearlake mobo's should be out by then, DDR3 possibly as well.. maybe the muliti wont be that big of a deal (E63XX chips) by then for new system builders.
E6320 will have the same multi as the E6300, still a limitation with very high end air or good water.
All benchmarks suffer from the cache loss.. and superpi takes up to a 20% hit, the extra FSB doesn't even help the 2M chips catch up.. The E6420 looks like it would have been great.. six months earlier
Bearlake mobo's should be out by then, DDR3 possibly as well.. maybe the muliti wont be that big of a deal (E63XX chips) by then for new system builders.
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as it has been said but not fully explained. current E63/64's are conroe cores, that being said intel is making allendale cores. allendalre core are going to be the native 2mb version's. it has been show already over at xs that native 2mb cores (allendale's) will sport a core revision which is "L2". which mean after the current stock of conroe core e63/64's run out they will be allendale cores. first allendale cores we will see in retail will be the E4xxx line. since i suspect intel to have lots of e63/64 to move out. the e6600 is a nice middle right now if you have the money cause of the 9x multi. i tend to look at the e4300 which will have a 9x multi. who knows if the true allendale cores oc slighty better in the core revision L2 then you might look at the E4400 as it will have a 10x multi.
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"L2" e6300
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=125298
e4300
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=122732&page=1
but look at this 95% oc
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewtopic.php?tid=77276
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewtopic.php?tid=77276&page=3
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"L2" e6300
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=125298
e4300
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=122732&page=1
but look at this 95% oc
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewtopic.php?tid=77276
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewtopic.php?tid=77276&page=3
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Evilsizer said:
thats the make or break feature if you ask me, i'm sold. I hope theres no FSB limitation of any kind
PhobMX said:
You must have missed the Anandtech C2D review:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=4
IMHO, A 3.5% average difference is not worth an extra $50 unless you are heavy into media encoding, where the difference can be as great as 10%.
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hi'
I have chosen already what will be my upgrade, p5b dlx E6600
ram gskill(cas 4), and gygabite for video nvidia 7950gt with a zalman on, I have chosen the p5b p965 because it OC better, as everyone say, and if the 975 gives some limit... let's go for a chip that has nothing to prove, but the 975 could evoluate fast and become the best for OC all these core2duo and soon quadcore ..., these days, a lot of "special" offers for xmas, and then in february or march, prices will go down again due to new harware arriving on the market, the least I can expect is that I can get better price on cpu or ram, and then may choose a better video card ... a 8800
why not
waiting is never bad, and the MB will have some revisions already, a corrected bios, the cpu a different stepping, nothing bad
i686
I have chosen already what will be my upgrade, p5b dlx E6600
ram gskill(cas 4), and gygabite for video nvidia 7950gt with a zalman on, I have chosen the p5b p965 because it OC better, as everyone say, and if the 975 gives some limit... let's go for a chip that has nothing to prove, but the 975 could evoluate fast and become the best for OC all these core2duo and soon quadcore ..., these days, a lot of "special" offers for xmas, and then in february or march, prices will go down again due to new harware arriving on the market, the least I can expect is that I can get better price on cpu or ram, and then may choose a better video card
... a 8800 why not waiting is never bad, and the MB will have some revisions already, a corrected bios, the cpu a different stepping, nothing bad
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Epsilon84 said:You must have missed the Anandtech C2D review:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=4
IMHO, A 3.5% average difference is not worth an extra $50 unless you are heavy into media encoding, where the difference can be as great as 10%.
thnx for the link, now i have to decide only E6400 vs E4400
greenmaji said:You dont need much FSB to get a decent overclock on those.. If you look around harder youll find one on phase and the results were
care to hand out the link?
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Epsilon84 said:You must have missed the Anandtech C2D review:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=4
IMHO, A 3.5% average difference is not worth an extra $50 unless you are heavy into media encoding, where the difference can be as great as 10%.
Well really its ~$90 difference but say $50 is for the cache and $40 is for the multi.
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ps2cho said:
Well if you where planning to upgrade mid next year then ya its worth waiting. If you want to upgrade now, doubt its worth waiting except for the case of price drops.
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PhobMX said:
It's only one result and it was coolanler's.. I'm going to back off the issue and say not enough data for now. As I said.. it "appears" as if there is a core FSB limitation but at this point its only showing up under extream cooling so thats not going to affect most of the people intrested in the chip. (If you have $600-1K to put into cooling I figure your not extreamly intrested in this chip in the first place)
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Epsilon84 said:
those chips have diff multi's tho.
if you want a 10x multi chip, its the e4400 vs the e6700.
if you want a 9x multi chip, its the e4300 vs the e6600.
if you want a 8x multi chip, its the e6400 vs the e6420.
if you want a 7x multi chip, its the e6300 vs the e6320.
for some reason, the e6400 and e6300 are supposed to be the same price as the e6420 and e6320? going by that chart anyways?
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deathman20 said:
Well, All I know is that I wanted the quad core beast. In six months it will be more affordable for me. Its not the Q6700, but its close enough for me. Either way I'm getting a Conroe.
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greenmaji said:
why not? i plan to get pc8000 memory, a high end mobo (Maybe ATI D600 if it proves reliable) a 600W psu, a tuniq and a next-gen ati card.
If theres no FSB limitation on e4x00s and e4x00s ocs close to e6x00s i believe its a no brainer no matter the rest of the system (unless you plan to get a crap mobo)
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elec999 said:
yes. it will perform like a normal C2D.
i would say 3.2ghz should be easy. 100% oc's have been seen.
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Your missing my point.. -40C load FSB limitation is much different then a +C (wich I do not see evedence of currently) FSB limitation. And I've only seen one under phase, a tuniq tower 120 isn't going to perform like a machII or jinu117 custom phase change unit.PhobMX said:
And one engineering sample isn't enough to really judge this on IMHO.
Its going to take more results to see what the E4XXX's can do in my book.
