Core WHY??!

[freeagent]

Well whatever lol.. its just something that has always bugged me about that naming scheme.

We aren't talking about cars, though we could.. I probably wont buy another Chevy, Ford, etc..

 

[mackerel]

Can't say I get the vibe that these companies are saying that, but, OK. Also, this is an enthusiast website so , the demographic here certainly disagrees...or at least wants premium, regardless if they can get away with something less. But, that's a people thing, to me.

That does remind me of the food marketing thing where the options are, for example, standard, large, XL. Not small/medium/large. Can't have negative connotations can we?

There's more information to glean from a processor name than RAM. I mean, GSkill Trident Z XxXXGB DDR5-xxxx CL-xx-xx-xx-xx, tells 99% of what users want to know (and should care about - 99.9% of PC users couldn't care less what the IC is, for example), and so do the processor naming conventions.

If there is one thing I'd like all ram module makers to do, list the configuration! At minimum 1R or 2R, but knowing 1Rx8 or 1Rx16 could help too. JEDEC module datasheets have much higher chance of providing that than enthusiast ones.

 

[freeagent]

At minimum 1R or 2R, but knowing 1Rx8 or 1Rx16 could help too

I could get onboard with this.

 

[EarthDog]

That does remind me of the food marketing thing where the options are, for example, standard, large, XL. Not small/medium/large. Can't have negative connotations can we?

Not in today's world. It's 'snowing' everywhere.

If there is one thing I'd like all ram module makers to do, list the configuration! At minimum 1R or 2R, but knowing 1Rx8 or 1Rx16 could help too. JEDEC module datasheets have much higher chance of providing that than enthusiast ones.

I couldn't care less about the ranks/banks (id consider myself an enthusiast). There's lower-hanging fruit than that...

... but I get your point.

 

[rainless]

Curiois...what say you about AMD's naming conventions?

I think you went over AMD's naming conventions with me once... It actually helped a LOT when I was helping my best friend pick out a CPU. So THANKS for that btw...

As for what I think? I think they've all lost their rabid minds.

The emphasis should be on making the naming as simple, and more importantly, as CONCISE as possible.

Video game franchises have done MUCH better with this: Most of them just go by year.

What's wrong with that? "AMD Ryzen 2024." DONE. You could throw a 5, 7, and 9 after that if you want. So like "Ryzen 7 2024."

Then you have everything you need.

Do you think Intel are targeting that age range specifically? I'd argue that range has relatively poor buying power, so the optimal range would be older. Maybe 30's-40's. More income, more likelihood of being in a decision making position at work. I wonder if there is any research out there on buyer demographics.

You're living in the past! This NEXT generation is screwed financially... But the 15-25 year-olds that exist today are MUCH better off than most of us ever were. They've all got tech jobs that didn't even exist when we were that age. (Chicago alone is FILLED with them).

I see them in the "PC Gamer" sections of electronic stores all over Europe. (I'M the only old creep hanging out in that section...)

Even in Berlin... Those "young adults" are working for Google, Microsoft, and the former Twitter. Oh it's DEFINITELY them buying up all the chips.

I really don't get the hate. Not to say I like it,

That's just it... That's the entire point of this thread: NOBODY here has said "they like it."

So how could Intel not know that?

Where are the "focus groups" and the "studies" that the marketing department is supposed to conduct before something terrible happens?

 

[Janus67]

You're living in the past! This NEXT generation is screwed financially... But the 15-25 year-olds that exist today are MUCH better off than most of us ever were. They've all got tech jobs that didn't even exist when we were that age. (Chicago alone is FILLED with them)

How many high school kids are working tech jobs and making bank?

I could understand some in college during an internship and then if they land a good job after graduation could be pulling in near/6figures+ but it isn't happening for a lot of folks in that age range. And that's looking at 22-25+ year olds with the possibility of staying in college for a post-graduate degree like a masters.

 

[EarthDog]

I think you went over AMD's naming conventions with me once...

We did... and I, I thought I mentioned the new Core theme at that time as well (July). I don't think Intel's is anymore confusing than AMDs.

The emphasis should be on making the naming as simple, and more importantly, as CONCISE as possible.

Video game franchises have done MUCH better with this: Most of them just go by year.

What's wrong with that? "AMD Ryzen 2024." DONE. You could throw a 5, 7, and 9 after that if you want. So like "Ryzen 7 2024."

Then you have everything you need.

I don't think anyone disagrees with your first sentence here. But, I'm not sure how it could get much easier.

There are simply too many SKUs to do something as simple as that. If there was only Ryzen 5/7/9 and Intel i3/5/7/9 (3 and 4 SKUs, respectively), you'd have a winner. But, there are unlocked SKUs (and not), lower powered SKUs, and that's only talking about the desktop segment (not mobile, not servers). So..........what, you add on more letters or numbers or both to discern? Then you're right back to where you started. But, this well is deep with other influnces on why you can't have so few SKUs these days.

It probably could be better, but I've already spent too many personal CPU cycles addressing this rant thread, lol.

 

[rainless]

How many high school kids are working tech jobs and making bank?

I could understand some in college during an internship and then if they land a good job after graduation could be pulling in near/6figures+ but it isn't happening for a lot of folks in that age range. And that's looking at 22-25+ year olds with the possibility of staying in college for a post-graduate degree like a masters.

Hello?? Rich parents? If they're of high school kids then chances are their parents are anybody but me... and at least 10% of the people here seem to be rocking RTX 4090 cards... So the math seems just fine to me!

Not to mention the fact that there are completely RIDICULOUS ways for even teenagers to make money nowadays. There's TikTok, and YouTube, and Twitch... Instagram... As I said: You're thinking in the past. It's not some kid working at McDonald's or doing a paper route or something anymore.

Mark Zuckerberg had Facebook before he finished college. I still remember the day he went public: 4 BILLION DOLLARS.

But you don't need that. You could invent a really fancy plastic PEN and make a few grand off of Kickstarter.

You could make BEATS for enough money to get a top-of-the-line Intel CPU.

The Moon has changed.

We did... and I, I thought I mentioned the new Core theme at that time as well (July). I don't think Intel's is anymore confusing than AMDs.


I don't think anyone disagrees with your first sentence here. But, I'm not sure how it could get much easier.

There are simply too many SKUs to do something as simple as that. If there was only Ryzen 5/7/9 and Intel i3/5/7/9 (3 and 4 SKUs, respectively), you'd have a winner. But, there are unlocked SKUs (and not), lower powered SKUs, and that's only talking about the desktop segment (not mobile, not servers). So..........what, you add on more letters or numbers or both to discern?

How about "Intel Core 7 2024 Unlocked". How about instead of coded guessing games... they just TELL US what the damned thing is. "Is KF the locked one or the unlocked one...?" PUT IT ON THE DAMNED BOX!

Spell it out! "Intel Core 7 (Normal/Fast/Fastest) 2024 (Locked/Unlocked)"

SEE! It's NOT... THAT... HARD.

They just aren't even trying anymore. They're just getting blind drunk and throwing daggers through a dictionary on a string.

And this is not a "rant" this MATTERS. Because if more consumers and businesses understood what they were buying Intel/AMD would probably sell more CPUs.

Do you have any idea how many people simply GIVE UP because they get tired of trying to make any sense out of all this lunacy?

If I wasn't there to explain (after you explained it to me) the difference between all the AMD cpus... then I know for a FACT my best friend wouldn't have gotten anything this year. He would've thrown his hands in the air and soldiered-on with his five year-old system.

It would've been one (out of possible millions) sale lost.

And all because they can't get their **** together.

 

[mackerel]

Not to mention the fact that there are completely RIDICULOUS ways for even teenagers to make money nowadays. There's TikTok, and YouTube, and Twitch... Instagram... As I said: You're thinking in the past. It's not some kid working at McDonald's or doing a paper route or something anymore.

There will be >>1000 working in some fast food joint for every financially successful "creator". The vast majority will never earn anything from it or earn so little it doesn't make a dent.

 

[rainless]

There will be >>1000 working in some fast food joint for every financially successful "creator". The vast majority will never earn anything from it or earn so little it doesn't make a dent.

And yet... they're out there. In front of me... in the checkout lane... At fNac here in France, MediaMarkt/Saturn in Berlin... and probably Microcenter if I was in the States.

Their parents would be stealing my parking space on Black Friday if I came home for Thanksgiving.

Anyway... like I said... the teenagers are outliers. But people in their 20s? Are DEFINITELY making more money than I did when I was in my twenties. And I was dramatically overpaid. (Nobody knew what to pay tech people in the beginning...)

 

[Blaylock]

Specs left out for obvious reasons.