Creating a New Machine with Watercooling - 1st Watercooling Build

[JacobGardiner-M]

Follow up

What about the following build?


Build Setup
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-393-IN – CPU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-001-OP – GPU x2
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-109-OC – SSD
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-001-AS – Motherboard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-083-GS – RAM x2
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-042-OE – Watercooling Setup
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-385-WD – HDD x2
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=UP-050-AP – UPS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-054-OC – PSU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-203-CM – Chassis
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-107-LG – BluRay Drive
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BB-004-LP – Touch Fan Controller
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-196-EK – Watercooling Bridge
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-190-EK – Watercooling Link x2
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CB-005-BX SATA III 6GB/s x3
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-298-OK – Watercooling Fittings x12
Product Final Specifications
Intel Core i7-3960X 3.30GHz (Sandybridge-E) Socket LGA2011 Processor
OcUK Tech Lab H2O GTX 680 2048MB GDDR5 Nickel Acetal x2
OCZ Vertex 4 512GB 2.5" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive
OcUK Tech Lab - Asus Rampage IV Extreme Intel X79 Watercooled with EK

Full Cover Waterblocks
G.Skill TridentX 32GB (4x8GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C10 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit x2
OcUK Tech Lab - V12 Watercooling Kit 360
Western Digital VelociRaptor 1TB 10000RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache x2
OCZ ZX Series 1250W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply
Cooler Master HAF X Gaming Tower Case - Black
LG BH10LS38 10x BluRay-RW / 16 x DVD±RW Lightscribe Drive
Lamptron FC Touch Fan Controller - Black
EK-FC Bridge DUAL Serial 3-Slot
EK-FC Link GeForce x2
BitFenix Alchemy SATA 6GB/s braided cable 30cm – Black x3
OcUK 1/2" G1/4 - FatBoy Style - Black Nickel - Barb Fitting x12
APC Smart-UPS SUA750I 750VA USB & Serial 230V

Kind regards

Jacob

 

[Conumdrum]

Dunno, a list of a million links I have to click on doesn't make we want to click on them. For $30 an hour, sure.

I really don't care about the chassis, PSU, HD, etc etc. This is the WC forum, we have other forums for the other items.

Have you read the stickies? Understood them? I apaolgize if you do, but your not special. We are like an assembly line here. We see this every week a few times, folks just like you.

Please, let's focus on just watercooling, the PHYSICS of watercooling. What is your determined max heatload, your ambient max temp, you planned usage and your tolerance to noise?

I can build you a list, for $30 an hour and expect 10 hours on emails and chats till we get it right.........

Or, you use your spare time and just slowwwwwww.....................slowwwwwww down.

NO ONE WC their Hard drives. NO ONE. So you need to quit being all clicky happy on buy links. Learn first.................................

Watercooling is a HOBBY, not an end game.

 

[bluezero5]

^^^^ hey dude. no need to tell him what to do bro.
just answer on cooling if that's all you want to answer. ain't cool what u just did.
if you don't want to help, just don't. Least you could have been more polite.


Alright Jacob. Firstly I see an expensive built.

RAM. you don't need 64Gb, in fact, since R4E is quad mem, you only need 1 set of 4. The rule of ram is 1 ram per channel, adding more acutally hinders your ram clocking, and you might have to go command rate 2 instead of 1, which is actually.. counter productive.


do you do a lot of media work? I do. that's why I have 2x Blu-ray r/w, helps when one is working, I can still use the other, and sometimes, let them cross copy, saves time.

3930X is nice. If you intend to bench, there's no better.
Price effeciency goes to 3930K though, does almost EVERYTHING 3930X can do.. in fact, a poor 3930X chip might clock worse than 3930K chip. (so says the average clocking) If you want to save a little, that's one area to consider.

if you want to use Barb fitting, I will recommend you to use 7/16 tubbings, better fit.

Chassis is nice... mainstream.. nice though, no objections.
buy some LED lighting, will be a very cheap investment to make it a LOT cooler.

PSU is good. 1200W should be ok. Overkill. Unless u plan on having 2-3 GPUs.

Water cooling Kit is nice.
though I have personal prefences on CPU block and GPU block that differs. but yours will work just fine.


I will just add, remember to make your radiators push/pull, another cheap investment in fans to easily get 2-3'C lower for your system.

on watercooling, Cornundrum is experienced, if he pitches in, you are getting very good advice.

Good luck and have fun!!

 

[JacobGardiner-M]

^^^^ hey dude. no need to tell him what to do bro.
just answer on cooling if that's all you want to answer. ain't cool what u just did.
if you don't want to help, just don't. Least you could have been more polite.


Alright Jacob. Firstly I see an expensive built.

RAM. you don't need 64Gb, in fact, since R4E is quad mem, you only need 1 set of 4. The rule of ram is 1 ram per channel, adding more acutally hinders your ram clocking, and you might have to go command rate 2 instead of 1, which is actually.. counter productive.


do you do a lot of media work? I do. that's why I have 2x Blu-ray r/w, helps when one is working, I can still use the other, and sometimes, let them cross copy, saves time.

3930X is nice. If you intend to bench, there's no better.
Price effeciency goes to 3930K though, does almost EVERYTHING 3930X can do.. in fact, a poor 3930X chip might clock worse than 3930K chip. (so says the average clocking) If you want to save a little, that's one area to consider.

if you want to use Barb fitting, I will recommend you to use 7/16 tubbings, better fit.

Chassis is nice... mainstream.. nice though, no objections.
buy some LED lighting, will be a very cheap investment to make it a LOT cooler.

PSU is good. 1200W should be ok. Overkill. Unless u plan on having 2-3 GPUs.

Water cooling Kit is nice.
though I have personal prefences on CPU block and GPU block that differs. but yours will work just fine.


I will just add, remember to make your radiators push/pull, another cheap investment in fans to easily get 2-3'C lower for your system.

on watercooling, Cornundrum is experienced, if he pitches in, you are getting very good advice.

Good luck and have fun!!

Hello,

Thank you very much for you're advice, The only reason I will Be Getting that much is because I will be running virtualisation - So effectively I'd be able to run more machines, so effectively I will be putting the radiator at the top of my case and then will be setting up a push pull configuration - Would you say I'd need more than a 360 Radiator to water cool a Motherboard, GPU x2 and a CPU -

Thank you

Jacob

 

[bluezero5]

yes I would.
especially when you have GPU x 2.

there are many water cooling guides out there.

but most of them will tell you, 240 rad for baseic+CPU, and add 120 per component you want to cool. So if you have 2xGPU + Mobo you need 120x4 at the least.. luckily, mobo these days aint too hot, so 120x4 should be enough.

when there are many radiators, space management becomes something you must plan for as well...

thought of getting a bigger tower? like CosmoII Ultra tower?
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=3071

 

[JacobGardiner-M]

Hello,

That Tower Looks Decent, Can You Put a 360 or 480 at The Top Where You Can Remove The Case? I Would be able to Get 4x 120mm as I've found a post that has that In a HAF X Build - Also, Would you say I could mount a Radiator on top of the PSU If my Two Graphics cards was In the top two slots? Or would that not be recommended? Could also mount It on top of the case that covers the PSU

Kind regards

Jacob

 

[bluezero5]

I use Storm Trooper, which is similar to HAFX in size
but a bro of mind uses the Cosmo, and he can mount Radiators on the front/top/bottom/back Lots of room. on the bottom left and bottom right, he has 240 on each side, so that alone is 480. and you can clearly mount at least another 240 on the top.

whether or not it can mount a 360 on top.. you will probably need exact dimensions of both your rad and the case.

that tower is HUGE though, be sure it fits in your place !!

 

[xander89]

yes I would.
especially when you have GPU x 2.

there are many water cooling guides out there.

but most of them will tell you, 240 rad for baseic+CPU, and add 120 per component you want to cool. So if you have 2xGPU + Mobo you need 120x4 at the least.. luckily, mobo these days aint too hot, so 120x4 should be enough.

when there are many radiators, space management becomes something you must plan for as well...

thought of getting a bigger tower? like CosmoII Ultra tower?
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=3071

this is exactly what conumdrum is getting irate about, he needs to read these guides, ( including his sticky) before he starts bombarding the forums with a million links and making it hard work for us.

You are just going to be sending him away with a massive basket which costs a fortune and not a clue what to do with it. It is going to end badly. possibly with a massive load of wet, fried equipment.

You are just going to end up spending hours trying to inform him of what he could simply read in the guide. There are LOADS of them about, including this forum, and they will explain them better than you ever could, because they are designed exactly for this!

The guy doesn't even know that 360 rad for a cpu 2XGPu and mobo isnt enough, its one of the first things said in most guides. I mean he doesnt even need to know the specific wattage but come on! Hes fumbling in the dark and all you are doing is shouting directions at him to follow rather than turning the lights on so he can actually see. Hes going to trip up and its going to be messy. I'm not trying to be harsh but you are not going to help him like this.

Mate, if you havent decided your build. DO THAT FIRST ( and post it in the relevant part of the forum). Make sure you have that all set up and ready.

The process should be:-

1) Decide what computer you are building before you even consider what WC parts your ware going to buy.

2) read the sticky's PROPERLY ( do not consider them forum posts but they are guides, and as good as any other, but by all means go and read other ones too Just make sure you read them properly! dont skim read them!)

3) Once you know how much rad you need, what piping, barbs/ compression fittings, rez and Pump you think would be best then give us a list. Tell us why as well. You should know roughly how much raddage you need, what type of pump etc. Brands are somewhat subjective, but there are tried and tested brands which frequently come ontop and as long as you stick with them you should be ok.

So you list should look like

CPU Block:
GPU Block:
Mobo Block:
Pump:
Rez:
Radiator:
Coolant:
Fittings:
Tubing:

Admittedly mine wasnt so nice when i did my build thread, but that was just listing what came with a kit

take it slowly and you will be fine. Rush into it. And you could end up wasting 1000's. Water and computers dont mix, hence why you are persuaded to read up on it as much as possible before even ordering your parts.

Listen to conundrum, 8.5k posts ( the majority of them being on the WC forum ), he knows his stuff, and he has seen hundreds of guys like you ( and me) come through the forums wanting a quick fix and to get a basket made up for them and to go and do it. Its not the way it works, and i would say if you do that you will regret it further down the line when you have water spraying out from every part of you loop because you have got the wrong sized fittings or something.

 

[Lirelent]

Not to mention there isn't a 1 sized fits all solution. There is no, "here's a list of parts" because like all engineering endeavors (and don't kid yourself, water cooling IS an engineering endeavor), there are trade-offs to be weighed carefully at EVERY decision. Luckily the community is really awesome and some of them even really like graphs, so there is no lack of very awesome pretty graphs out there comparing various components so you can make an informed decision. Just make sure it is just a awesome hobby enthusiast (isn't connected to a wc company, aka biased), and that they're up front about their testing methodology. The litmus test, is "Can I reproduce these results if I really wanted to given the information in the post?". I started with sticky "how-to" guides (here and several other places), then I started reading build logs of experienced folks. The build logs are awesome, because so many pictures of how to do the necessary case mods, and exactly what parts they used and where. Then I thought about the decisions they made and why, reconsidered their decisions based on my desires and also what sort of parts/reviews have come out since the build was done. Then i started making some lists, and since I have some change to drop on the build, I went overkill in places partly for noise, and partly as future proofing. Do I really need 480+240 of radiator, not right now, but (with the right pump(s)) is more radiator really a bad thing? Also I'm ready to do sli in the future and don't have to worry about dissipating the extra heat.