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pinky33

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Just upgrading mobo/proc/ram.

Keeping my SSD's, HDD's , evga 1080 FTW, 650 PSU and will modify water block to fit cpu.

Goal is to build a new computer that will let me upgrade to a better gfx if/when I feel I need one or they become available. Might hold out for gfx card that can actually do raytracing and get decent frames, ie: one more generation. My current monitor is only 60hz and 1080 hits 60hz on most games still.

Gaming at 1440 60hz monitor. dell ultra sharp.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/608747/msi-x570-mpg-gaming-plus-amd-am4-atx-motherboard

https://www.microcenter.com/product...m4-boxed-processor-with-wraith-stealth-cooler

https://www.microcenter.com/product...el-desktop-memory-kit-nmud480e823200d---black


Thank you,

-Pinky
 

bigtallanddopey

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It’s an ok, build. What’s the price on the 5600x? As I cannot see it. I know they have been hitting $350+ in some cases.

It’s been a few years since I have recommended Intel, but right bow, they are the value proposition. You can get a 10600K for $250 and has very similar performance to the 5600x. Downsides are that it uses more power and doesn’t have pcie4.0 (not a big deal anyway). It just may save you some money to look at Intel at the moment, bundle deal like the one below doesn’t look too bad.

https://www.microcenter.com/product...sus-z490-tuf-gaming,-cpu---motherboard-bundle

I cannot speak for the ram at all, I have never seen that brand in Europe, but it could be a decent brand in the US.


 

DaveB

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It’s an ok, build. What’s the price on the 5600x? As I cannot see it. I know they have been hitting $350+ in some cases.
Microcenter has been selling the 5600X for $299.99 when they are in stock plus they give $20 off a motherboard. Looking this morning at the Fairfax VA store, the 5600X isn't in stock and they show one 5800X in stock for $449.99.
 

tRidiot

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Their website isn't working properly for me, I haven't been able to pull it up for 3 days, but even before that I can tell you, their stock for what is in store isn't even CLOSE to accurate.
 

EarthDog

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Their website isn't working properly for me, I haven't been able to pull it up for 3 days, but even before that I can tell you, their stock for what is in store isn't even CLOSE to accurate.
The local MC to me (cbus ohio) does a good job...site is up. Wondering if it's on your end because it's a corporate run site.
 

tRidiot

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I just checked and somehow the WiFi network at the hotel I am staying at is blocking it. I don't know why, but using my phone as a hotspot I am able to get to it. Still shows incorrect stock, though. At least in the Overland Park, KS, store.
 
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pinky33

pinky33

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It’s an ok, build. What’s the price on the 5600x? As I cannot see it. I know they have been hitting $350+ in some cases.

It’s been a few years since I have recommended Intel, but right bow, they are the value proposition. You can get a 10600K for $250 and has very similar performance to the 5600x. Downsides are that it uses more power and doesn’t have pcie4.0 (not a big deal anyway). It just may save you some money to look at Intel at the moment, bundle deal like the one below doesn’t look too bad.

https://www.microcenter.com/product...sus-z490-tuf-gaming,-cpu---motherboard-bundle

I cannot speak for the ram at all, I have never seen that brand in Europe, but it could be a decent brand in the US.

Seems intel is a little cheaper even with a mobo that cost more. Not sure if its worth the extra power draw? I have not been looking into intel at all, but it does seem like there prices have dropped a lot. I wonder if Intel would take advantage of the whole water cooling loop I can easily bolt on. I know AMD seems to work great with auto OC and decent cooling and wont really take advantage of a water loop.

Microcenter has been selling the 5600X for $299.99 when they are in stock plus they give $20 off a motherboard. Looking this morning at the Fairfax VA store, the 5600X isn't in stock and they show one 5800X in stock for $449.99.

Yes, 5600x is $300

Their website isn't working properly for me, I haven't been able to pull it up for 3 days, but even before that I can tell you, their stock for what is in store isn't even CLOSE to accurate.

There website has been iffy for me for the past 2 or so weeks. My guess is they are getting over run with traffic.



This whole idea of intel has me thinking that's for sure. All this recent talk about AMD and rooting for the underdog had me brainwashed that intel was still bloating prices for being top dog. Even there 8core 8 thread for $330 sounds great vs the $300 5600x. My local microcenter does not have any cheap intel mobo's, but if/when they get any comparing to newegg I could save $50-70 easily.

I original build above has my cost at $577 after taxes. I would like to stay close to $500 ish so I have money for a gfx card at some point.

Thank you for the ideas and thoughts. Gives me a few things to think about.

-Pinky33
 
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Zerileous

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Honestly if you're not planning to run more than a 6 core processor (if you're thinking of increasing core count it in the future then VRM becomes more of a factor), then maybe save some on the motherboard and go for more reputable 3600 memory (if going AMD). B550 is more than adequate unless you want to: use more than one PCIe Gen 4 NVMe drive, use more than one GPU, or use some other PCIe device that you do not want to go through the chipset (i.e. capture card). The main difference between the two is that the link between the chipset and CPU, and thus the speed of any device operating from the chipset, is limited to Gen 3.0 on B550. Also I do not believe B550 boards support splitting the 16x CPU PCIe lanes between two slots.

For example the following two boards have better ethernet (although gigabit is probably plenty for almost anyone), audio and VRM: https://www.microcenter.com/product/624550/asus-b550m-plus-tuf-gaming-amd-am4-matx-motherboard https://www.microcenter.com/product/625047/msi-b550-mag-tomahawk-amd-am4-atx-motherboard, meanwhile this one has similar features and an adequate VRM for a 6 core CPU surely for much less cost: https://www.microcenter.com/product/625303/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4-amd-am4-atx-motherboard

All of that said, I would have a difficult time turning down the 10700K for $330 when the 5800X costs $500+, but the motherboard price does eat that difference back up. Using https://www.microcenter.com/product/623677/asus-z490-a-prime-intel-lga-1200-atx-motherboard puts you at $630 for 8c/16t vs $480 for the AMD using a $180 motherboard. Not counting combo discounts. Either way $150 is not that much to pay for two cores, but it can be if that is all in excess of your planned budget. Seeing Cyberpunk as an example, there is clear performance scaling over 6c/12t, and it is likely that trend will continue. However how long until 6c/12t will actually be a bottleneck could still be a while and will you be using this rig long enough and playing all the brand new AAA titles for it to really matter? 6c/12t is still plenty to keep up with a 60Hz monitor in Cyberpunk even.
 
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bigtallanddopey

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Seeing Cyberpunk as an example, there is clear performance scaling over 6c/12t, and it is likely that trend will continue. However how long until 6c/12t will actually be a bottleneck could still be a while and will you be using this rig long enough and playing all the brand new AAA titles for it to really matter? 6c/12t is still plenty to keep up with a 60Hz monitor in Cyberpunk even.

Yeh cyberpunk is the first game I have thought my ryzen 5 1600 needs upgrading. It is 6 cores but also an older processor so that will play a part. But at times I will hit 85% cpu usage and drop as low as 93% gpu usage at 1440p med-high settings, when for the most part it is at 65% cpu and 99% gpu.

I will hold out for ryzen 6000 or whatever Intel have at the time. But I think my next cpu will be 8 core for sure. I think 6 is perfectly fine for a good few years though. Just depends is this a 2-3 year cpu or a 5-6.


 
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pinky33

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Leaning more to 5600x again.

I would like a mobo that let's me upgrade to more cores if needed. Needs to have digital audio out and full atx.

Thank you for the "food for thought". I need to look at ram and overclocking 5600x more to help decide my ram/mobo choices. Seems I will have time before microcenter has any 5600x in stock anyway.

Thank you all
 
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pinky33

pinky33

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Honestly if you're not planning to run more than a 6 core processor (if you're thinking of increasing core count it in the future then VRM becomes more of a factor), then maybe save some on the motherboard and go for more reputable 3600 memory (if going AMD). B550 is more than adequate unless you want to: use more than one PCIe Gen 4 NVMe drive, use more than one GPU, or use some other PCIe device that you do not want to go through the chipset (i.e. capture card). The main difference between the two is that the link between the chipset and CPU, and thus the speed of any device operating from the chipset, is limited to Gen 3.0 on B550. Also I do not believe B550 boards support splitting the 16x CPU PCIe lanes between two slots.

For example the following two boards have better ethernet (although gigabit is probably plenty for almost anyone), audio and VRM: https://www.microcenter.com/product/624550/asus-b550m-plus-tuf-gaming-amd-am4-matx-motherboard https://www.microcenter.com/product/625047/msi-b550-mag-tomahawk-amd-am4-atx-motherboard, meanwhile this one has similar features and an adequate VRM for a 6 core CPU surely for much less cost: https://www.microcenter.com/product/625303/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4-amd-am4-atx-motherboard

All of that said, I would have a difficult time turning down the 10700K for $330 when the 5800X costs $500+, but the motherboard price does eat that difference back up. Using https://www.microcenter.com/product/623677/asus-z490-a-prime-intel-lga-1200-atx-motherboard puts you at $630 for 8c/16t vs $480 for the AMD using a $180 motherboard. Not counting combo discounts. Either way $150 is not that much to pay for two cores, but it can be if that is all in excess of your planned budget. Seeing Cyberpunk as an example, there is clear performance scaling over 6c/12t, and it is likely that trend will continue. However how long until 6c/12t will actually be a bottleneck could still be a while and will you be using this rig long enough and playing all the brand new AAA titles for it to really matter? 6c/12t is still plenty to keep up with a 60Hz monitor in Cyberpunk even.

That MSI B550 MAG Tomahawk looks awesome. It is $5 more and than the MSI X570 MPG Gaming Plus, but does have better rear io and power delivery for more cores later on. Not sure if B550 MAG OC ram better or same than x570 MPG. Might also come down to what is in stock.

I currently have 5 storage devices and one CD rom still. So all 6 SATA slots will be used. This leaves just the m.2 slots open for more storage options. Any idea if using both M.2 slots and all 6sata would be an issue for any mobo's I am looking at? Seems one gfx card and one M.2 drive would still run max bandwidth. So other m.2 could just be 3.0 (still plenty fast)

I do run 2 gfx card, extra card just for extra monitors.


Again thanks everyone for helping me think through this while I keep saving and wait for inventory to arrive.

-Pinky
 

Zerileous

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The Tomahawk is indeed a good board. I'm guessing the MAG will OC ram the same or better. The main factor in that is the CPU anyway. What are you looking for in a memory OC? 3600 is pretty much the sweet spot, beyond that is purely academic and/or for competitive benchmarking. I'd imagine both boards can do 3600.

For your SATA devices, I review the manual of whatever board you purchase. That might even be an advantage to using x570 that I didn't consider. You will see, for example, 8 SATA ports on this board, https://www.microcenter.com/product/608574/asus-x570-tuf-gaming-plus-(wifi)-amd-am4-atx-motherboard, which would also be a fine choice. On the other hand, this might be an opportunity to consolidate some of your old storage media. I know some x470 and b450 boards would disable a SATA port when both m.2 drives were in use, but I believe that was resolved in the 500 series.
 
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pinky33

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Might do what a lot of others are doing and pop a 3600 in for now. No 5600 in stock and not really worth the $100 extra on a plane 1080 gfx card mated to a 60hz monitor. Use the extra $100 for a vr system or a new monitor gfx card combo in future. My local microcenter seems to have a lot of new mobo's in stock. Unfortunately I might not have any time away from work/family for a week or two.

Star wars squadrons, star trek bridge crew, and half life alex all seem awesome for VR. Not to mention other classic light saber games.