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CheeZeTM

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ok water and electronics (so to say) dont mix, but that goes in to the resistance of water and closness of the circuits and voltages, and ohms law and i am not goign that far, why dont we just fill out PC cases with water? i was thinking about this, maybe a clear coat of thin plastic over the mother baord to make it water resistant or coating the board in plexiglass (not good for heat) or a actual 2-piece case one for the electronics, the other for the water, the CUP would be attatched to a copper or silver block in the plexi and there would be a heatsink in the water with some kind of propeller to maove the water, i think this would be the ultimate PC case, you could check out your awsome system with you lights and watch the fish swim by! hard drive cooling, i think they messed up in building hard drives if you need a heat sink on them, but the HDD caseing would have to be a huge heat sink that would also be submerged in water

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i dident read over it and i ahvent slept in like, 48 hours so i am not gaurenteeing the correctness of spelling
 

Drop-Top

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The idea is totally feasible, however impractical. the amount of time and energy to do it would be ridiculas, not to mention the fact of testing the system to make sure there aren't any leaks anywhere would be impossible. then if you ever need another HDD or had to work on something, it would take forever. and the worst thing is you don't have any idea how good the cooling would be. it would be a cool feat, but that is about it.
 
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testing for leaks, just put water in to the top, apply preasure, evern a gas would work, use a gas detector, that mother baord in your computer, some one built that, more than likey some one also said it would be impossible, other things would be qwould it get TOO hot? as in you would need cooling for the water so the fish wouldent die? Toshiba, do you have a link to the case they built? i would like to see it.
JF
 

SilverJag

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If I had the time and money I would cover the whole case with plexiglass or something that transfers temps. and leave about 1 CM diff b/e the case and the plastic box. So basicly your pc case is in a plastic box. I would then put it into a massive basin of water (the more water the better since it is cooler) and install a radiator to cool the water which is in another "box". In onther words, your whole case in a plastic box. and a bigger plastic box filled with water out side of the case box. BLah.. confusing i know.
 

Drec

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hmmm you go ahead and fill your case up with water..and when we dont see you post for a couple days we'll know how it turned out :-/
 

pwnt by pat

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It works but not for long... it's simple submersion. The only real downside for water is corrosion. After a couple of days your board would be toast. Pure mineral oil or florinet (sp?) makes a much better choice.
 

SilverJag

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To stop corrosion you need to put your case in a slightly bigger box than the case so water doesnt even touch your case.
 

nealric

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Immersion has been done- its just not practical.

Standard water is much easier and much less likely to cause problems.

Even LN2 based immersion has yeilded dissapointig results.
 
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ok, my idea was to findme a cheap board on ebay (pentium 1 stuyle so it really doesent mater) sure i can find a at or atx p/s arounf my junk yard i call my house, fill a rebbermade container with watere and a crappy monitor ont eh side with (also) crapy vid (if not onboard) let it boot into bios on the specs page and sit there for a cupple days (the PS wont go in)



Drec said:
hmmm you go ahead and fill your case up with water..and when we dont see you post for a couple days we'll know how it turned out :-/
god dame u if u think my 1000$ investment is gonna be swiming down the bayou

No offense was ment by this sorry all u church-state peeps
i want my mail on sunday
 
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My friend had this to say

raiden: what if you had a airtight case with everything in it
raiden: and another bigger case that goes over that
raiden: and pumped cold water through it so the inner case gets cold
raiden: like a cooler
 

pwnt by pat

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That would in effect, chill the entire case. That would be awesome except for the fact that every cooling requires airflow. The case air would heat up faster than it could release heat off to the chilled chassie.
 

Tabrin

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While the whole thing is impractical, and it's been asked about before (hint: search function on forums /hint) it would still be interesting to see. The only feasible solution that I've heard for cooling a sealed box within a watertank was using watercooling, having the tubes run outside of the CPU box to a radiator within the water, with an aquarium pump pushing water through the rad to cool the watercooling system. You would still need to cool the aquarium tank water, which you could easily do with a swamp cooler (Evaporation cooling). While sealing the motherboard would likely be on an equal difficulty scale, I would worry that heat from individual components would eventually melt through the sealant, causing a short when the water leaked in.

Either way, it's risky.
 

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Ok this is real simple, instead of submerging your whole thing in water, which is dangerous, just try this.

Grab your side panel, attach a sealed container as big as you can fit at right angles to your side panel, custom built or whatever, an input pump at one end, the out put at the other, test it for leaks, if your ok

fit your side panel back on, fill with water and fish, enjoy the illusion that your case is full of water, as you will mostly be looking at it through the side panel, this will also still aloow airflow, as it doesnt fill you whole case, say only half of it is taken up by this clear container attached to your side panel.

although im assuming you have a clear side panel, with out a fan in it.
 
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CheeZeTM

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Incorrect, i have a clear panal that matches the rest of the clear case with 2 cooling fans in the clear panal at hand
 

DaWiper

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You could drop the whole computer in a fishtank if you don't use water but use something like 3M Fluorinert instead.

Here is a direct link to a picture from Overklokking.no. A guy made a case for 3M that cools the cpu with their Fluorinert stuff. Notice that there are no hsf on the cpu(P4 1.8).

http://www.overklokking.no/prosjekter/3m_utstilling/pics/flow.jpg

Problem is that the Fluorinert stuff is expensive. At least that's what I heard..

Some more pics...
http://www.overklokking.no/prosjekter/3m_utstilling/index7.html
 
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OK, i understand what is in the picture, about 71$ for 100Ml of this stuff, obviously fish will not be able to survive in this stuff, i found this, they ended up doing florintent or whatever, dry ice, and nitrogen, they waited it on a celly, they go tthe 533(or566) up to 1.057Ghz

after all the watching, they gave the video, the vid is the second link
http://www.octools.com/index.cgi?caller=articles/submersion/submersion.html
http://www.octools.com/index.cgi?caller=articles/submersion2/subvideo.html