FEATURED G.Skill Trident Z 2x8GB DDR4-3200 CL14 - F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW

[Leoniums]

Thank you. So the test result is good?
Doesnt seem memory to be my issue. Especially after so many hours of testing.
I dont have any bsdo or crashes etc. Not even one. Temps max on Prime 95 small... max 79* with fans / pumb speed 50-75* for noise purposes.
Not sure about whea though.
I used to be able to check them using day per day columns but somehow i cant find it again (inside windows). My memory getting old...
I use a Thermaltake P5 with custom watercooling... maybe that GPU rise cable isnt function as it should...
I think i got some microstutters (not sure though if my eyes getting old or its real) and i am trying to figure out whats the issue.
Battlefield V.... is it the game? Is it my system.... who knows...
Today i am going to install the GPU without that riser cable and see if it helps.
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BTW 1st time trying oc's .... any kind...

 

[wingman99]

Hi there
i was looking to your results (thank you for the reviews) and i would like to ask you (if you remember) what you had change in order to play them at 4000 CL18, 4133 CL17 and 4133 CL19?
I just build my new pc, which is mostly for gaming.
Motherboard aorus master Z390
Intell i9900K
and RAM..... 2 Kits of F4-4133C19D-16GTZR (https://www.gskill.com/en/finder?ca...2=0&prop_6=0&prop_3=4133MHz&prop_4=0&prop_1=0) which are ... not in the memory support list....
According my motherboard (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z390-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10#support-doc) it seems that 2 x 16Gb Kits (mean 4x8Gb) cant play so high... Not sure though since first time i am messing around with such things.
I have manage to get the memory to play at 4000 18 18 18 38 @1.4v with tcwl19 (for some reason that tcwl made the whole trick otherwise i couldnt even load windows).
Run HCI memtest 1000% and Memtest 86 (or we is called) for 10 passes. No errors at all.
Can you please suggest me what to do?.... should i keep them as it is or should i replace them with a 3200 CL14 (1Kit 4x8Gb) and try overclock it?
I am currently facing some small issues with my gaming and not sure if the issues i get are from my memory or from my GPU.

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Are these normal?
Just a photo since i am at my office right now and have photo the results to compare them on my free time. Sry for that
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Does the gaming trouble go away when you run the memory at default BIOS settings without XMP?

 

[Alaric]

I didn't see the notification earlier, sorry. Not all motherboards will run RAM at 4k+. Sometimes a timing adjustment may be needed, sometimes the memory controller on the CPU won't do it. Wingman has a good question before we delve in to System Agent voltage, cache speeds/voltage, etc.. If we're lucky Woomack may swoop in and solve it in one or two posts. Yeah, he's that good.

edit: Yes, that speed/timings is pretty fast and considered sufficient overkill for most things. That doesn't mean we can't maybe get it a little faster, though.

 

[Leoniums]

@wingman99
Was the only thing that didnt test....I test with cpu oc and memory to 3200 though....I th8nk i had the same issues....
The biggest issue might be the thermaltake riser cable that came with my case P5. The worst thing is that i took out cables, gpu vertical bracket out and i realised that my GPU doesnt fit in horizontal position due to water reservoir.....
I just order a "premium" cable but d@mn this country... have to order it through other country and wait for some days....
I might install everything back and test memory without xmp settings.
@Alaric
hope we i can get the best of it.... of course with help from people like you.
Thanks again

 

[sparxxx2005]

@Woomack

Hello Woomack,

what did you set for Write to Read Delay values? 3600 16-16-16 1.35V and 4000 19-19-19 1.35V?

Did you change any other timings except on the Aida64 screen?

Thank you very much

 

[MaddMutt]

This my be a dead thread but what Volts where you using to get 12-12-28 1T @ 3733, 3866, and 4000.

Thanks

 

[Woomack]

You could post it in another thread as some others are newer and have fewer views ... but really all good Samsung B will need 1.95-2.05V for that. Depends on luck and the motherboard, will make between 3700-4266. You will still need to limit max memory size to keep it stable enough.

 

[Alaric]

This my be a dead thread but what Volts where you using to get 12-12-28 1T @ 3733, 3866, and 4000.

Thanks

I couldn't get those timings under my 1.55v ceiling, but my timings/speed/volts are in my sig.

 

[MaddMutt]

I'm back playing with my Asus X Code z370/8700k for the low end 3D Benches -> Auqamark - 3D Mark 06. I have 3 different B-Die Kits, 4 if you count my Ryzen set. I have my IO/SA at 1.325v or 1.350v and I get the error 55 when I try to run the -16GTZKW faster than 3866 @ 16-16-28 1T 1.4v-1.425v. I was using my E-Dies until the Dec's BIOS update made them not work anymore. 4000 @ 12-20-28 1T
Since my X Code does not have any good Auto Memory OC settings (It stops at 3600), I have had to use what is in my AsRock z170 OC Formula's BIOS. The settings that work for my 6700k are 3733 @ 15-18-28 1T and 3866 @ 16-19-28 1T, These also work on my 8700k. I have tried to tighten the timings on and off since Dec but always end back with the loose timings for stability
I should be able to run these at 3600-3733 or 3866 @ 12-12-28 1T but I get either a error 49 or 55 when I tighten the timings.
I have the following Memory and also when made:
F4-3200C14D-16GTZ____06-2016....F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW____10-2017 (<- These are combined for my x99/x299 Quad Channel MB). F4-4000C19D-8GTZ____08-2018 and F4-3200C14D-16GFX____10-2018.

P.S. I found out Saturday that my X Code has a new BIOS -> 04-2019..1901

 

[Woomack]

You get memory errors related to wrong timings or too low voltages. The simple way is to set CL=wCL and everything else at auto. Other way is to set higher clock at auto or relaxed timings which are working fine and then manually set the same timings but tighten main timings. Then you will know if it works at desired main timings. Once you stabilize main timings then move to secondary. Check all with small steps or you won't know what doesn't work.
I have no idea if you have any OC profiles in memory tabs, but it would make all easier. Maximus Gene/Apex have the same list of profiles for 3 gens already. Some are working some not always.
I feel like I was explaining these things multiple times already.

For old benchmarks like Aquamark, you don't need fast memory. It doesn't really matter. It counts in some CPU tests like SuperPi, new 3DMark physics tests and new CPU tests with multithreading and AVX.

 

[MaddMutt]

I used your memory OC guide for the -16GTZKW from Post #2 and #3. I was able to get the memory -16GTZ and -16GTZKW to run @ 3866 CL 16-16-28 1T with 1.4v. I could not get it to run faster or tighter at any other speed/voltage. The -8GTZ did run at any of the speeds/voltages listed in Post #2 and #3.
I updated the BIOS to 1901 and it now has a OC Profile for Samsung faster than 3600. The new profile is for 4000 @ 13-18-18-28 2T 1.8v. I was able to get this profile to work even though I could not get any others of yours to work
I have a setting wrong as my scores are too low. Aquamark DEC -> Mar...CPU score 38k~41K benching AMD GPU's. May -> Nvidia GPU's...I have CPU Score of 8k~10k with only 4 cores no HT. Priority set to real time, max power, affinity set to 4. The CPU score should stay the same regardless if you have a Nvidia 9800 GTX or a AMD HD-5850--Correct ???

 

[Woomack]

It's a bit of off topic but here is how it looks like.
Aquamark doesn't run well on AMD CPUs or any high core series which lower clock. It needs a pure high clock CPU with at least 4 cores to show good results. Depends on the used OS, CPU and GPU scores are different and I mean +/-20k only because of OS but in the older OS, CPU will perform better, in newer, GPU will be better.
On the same OS and CPU, the CPU score should be about the same but can be slightly different.

On 4 slot motherboards, there can be a problem to run really tight timings or command rate 1N at 3733+. Even on some 2 slot series designed for extreme benching, it's not always as easy as many people present in the web. For example, I can't make my Maximus XI Gene to run at 4000 CL12 and CR 1N unless I set trace centering option in BIOS. It's available only in the latest series afaik. Without this option, I can set CL13-14 and/or CR2. In the latest series, motherboard binning is the same thing as CPU/memory binning for the best results.

Additional things to check:
1. check if you have Raja profile in memory tab/OC profiles, it's 4133 profile at more relaxed timings but usually works fine and is a good start ... later you can work on that and tighten the timings
2. check if you can boot at 4000 command rate 1N at relaxed timings (can leave all other timings at auto)
3. check how 3866 works at 1.55-1.60V, with this scaling, should make 15-15-15 or 14-14-14

 

[MaddMutt]

It's a bit of off topic but here is how it looks like.
Aquamark doesn't run well on AMD CPUs or any high core series which lower clock. It needs a pure high clock CPU with at least 4 cores to show good results. Depends on the used OS, CPU and GPU scores are different and I mean +/-20k only because of OS but in the older OS, CPU will perform better, in newer, GPU will be better.
On the same OS and CPU, the CPU score should be about the same but can be slightly different.

^I ran Auqa with my CPU @ 5.3GHz and 5.0 cache and got ~ 40K for a cpu score with AMD's DX11 GPU's.
Just to make sure that I was not going crazy on getting low scores in AuqaMark, 3DMark 01, and 03 with my 7900/7950 GT and i7-8700k I tried others GPU's.
I ran Auqa with my CPU @ 5.4GHz/4.9cache/Mem @ 4000 CL_13-18-28-2T with a HD-7970 (CPU Score ~39k) and a GTX-680 Classified (CPU Score ~41k). <- So 8k~12k is what I will get with this CPU/GPU combo

On 4 slot motherboards, there can be a problem to run really tight timings or command rate 1N at 3733+. Even on some 2 slot series designed for extreme benching, it's not always as easy as many people present in the web. For example, I can't make my Maximus XI Gene to run at 4000 CL12 and CR 1N unless I set trace centering option in BIOS. It's available only in the latest series afaik. Without this option, I can set CL13-14 and/or CR2. In the latest series, motherboard binning is the same thing as CPU/memory binning for the best results.

^ I was able to boot into Windows 7 @ 15-15-28 1T @ 3700 with 1.6v-1.8v but was not stable. I tried 3866 (3886 OCed) @ 15-15 & 15-16 up to 1.8v but received either a error 49 or 55. I tried to run 4000 @ 16-16-28 1T and 18-18-38 2T, from 1.4v-1.7v with the same errors.

Additional things to check:
1. check if you have Raja profile in memory tab/OC profiles, it's 4133 profile at more relaxed timings but usually works fine and is a good start ... later you can work on that and tighten the timings

^No Raja profiles in memory I only have Hynix, Samsung, and Micron listed. Samsung is listed as OLD/NEW Memory @ 2x4GB, 4x4GB, 2x8GB,4x8GB and then @ xxx speed. <- With this new BIOS update I now have a 4000 option @ 13-18-28 2T 1.8v

2. check if you can boot at 4000 command rate 1N at relaxed timings (can leave all other timings at auto)

^I can get my 2x4GB Memory 19-21-41 2T to run 19-21-28 1T but no tighter or faster

 

[Woomack]

Samsung B is under the 2x8GB new Samsung, there you can check if is anything additional.
As I said in the past, forget about the 2x4GB kit for benching. As long as you set all right then 2x8GB B-die will be better in everything, also easier to set at higher clock. If you get 55 errors then something isn't right with memory settings. If you get 2x/3x errors then motherboard or IMC can't make more.

 

[nyichiban]

Samsung B is under the 2x8GB new Samsung, there you can check if is anything additional.
As I said in the past, forget about the 2x4GB kit for benching. As long as you set all right then 2x8GB B-die will be better in everything, also easier to set at higher clock. If you get 55 errors then something isn't right with memory settings. If you get 2x/3x errors then motherboard or IMC can't make more.

@Woomack, I must say thank you very much for your review! I was able to get these memory https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232378?Item=N82E16820232378 running at 3600 CL16 @1.45V on MSI X570 MEG ACE and a Ryzen 3900X. Thank you so much!

 

[Woomack]

I'm glad that my review was helpful. I don't have this kit anymore but will try to test some with other Samsung based kits on the X570. So far only checked Micron kits and one Samsung at relaxed settings.

 

[nyichiban]

Woomack I was able to tighten the timing some more and I'm running at 14-14-14-34 @1.45 now. Was able to get that by loading XMP first then reboot and get into BIOS. Changed speed to 3600 and then upped the voltage to 1.45 and it has stayed at the 14-14-14-34 timing as the XMP profile but now running at 3600 speed. Thanks agian so much Woomack!

 

[Woomack]

Nice I was playing a bit with 3200 CL14 Royals but I can't make it work at 3600-3733 CL14 1.4V and I had no time to check higher voltages. Maybe it's motherboard or BIOS, hard to say. It works 100% stable at 3733 16-16-16 1.35V with lowered SoC to 0.95V.

 

[ssk]

Hi, so long time after, so long time with the same comp ...

i try to ask the survivors from this thread :

i try each day to reach 3733 @ 14-14-14-28-2T 1.49v , SA/iO 1.25v max, sometime that boot, sometime its code 55... it boot 1/5 time, to make it boot, i have to play with SA/IO/DIMM voltage, lowering them...or uping them will make it boot, but sometime with failed RTL/iOL.
i talk about a z270 maximus ix extrem with a 6700k and 4 stick of GTZ (same with only 2) lastest bios.
When that boot its 100% stable and the aida glad me.

to boot 100% i have to be at 3733 / 15-15-15-2T (and its ok at 1.445v, sa/io 1.12v).

sometime i try 3866 16-16-16 or even 4000 17-17-17, 0% boot...
sadly i dont find anything to help me, seems its my wall, but when i read here, i wondering what u can tell me about that

 

[Woomack]

55 is a memory error. These motherboards not always work at so tight timings with the 6th gen CPUs. On the 7th gen, it looks better but also depends on the CPU itself. I doubt it's worth anything out of competitive benchmarking. You can try 3600 CL14 as this should work easier than the 3733+.
I also remember that on most ASUS Z270 mobos except Apex were problems at 3866+ memory clock. Even though it should work higher then usually it couldn't even boot. Maybe someone else can add something to the topic.